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PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1649 posts
2/28/2021 6:47 am
Circus? You must be kidding.

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A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 6:49 am

Dear Mr. Census Taker, it matters to me.

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Abelle2 83F
31234 posts
2/28/2021 7:30 am

As well it should matter to you!

An interesting read...


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 7:44 am

    Quoting Abelle2:
    As well it should matter to you!

    An interesting read...
Thanks, Abelle

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MrsJoe 76F
17409 posts
2/28/2021 7:48 am

Our last name is Italian, but not spelled the same way that it is in Italy. In fact, some of his cousins in the USA have the same name with different spellings. Their grandfathers had changed the spelling because of people either not being able to pronounce it correctly when reading it, or intentionally mispronouncing it. The name is still grossly mispronounced, with some stumbling over it and turning it into words like sound like a version of diarrhea. The more polite thing to do is to ask how to pronounce it, but people aren't always polite.
Prejudice against whole groups of people is certainly not new, and is something everyone should work against, but lately it has become a political football and is fostered and promoted to score points and get votes. I don't think it is ever going to be overcome by political action groups, legislature or government, but by individuals.


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PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 8:35 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Our last name is Italian, but not spelled the same way that it is in Italy. In fact, some of his cousins in the USA have the same name with different spellings. Their grandfathers had changed the spelling because of people either not being able to pronounce it correctly when reading it, or intentionally mispronouncing it. The name is still grossly mispronounced, with some stumbling over it and turning it into words like sound like a version of diarrhea. The more polite thing to do is to ask how to pronounce it, but people aren't always polite.
    Prejudice against whole groups of people is certainly not new, and is something everyone should work against, but lately it has become a political football and is fostered and promoted to score points and get votes. I don't think it is ever going to be overcome by political action groups, legislature or government, but by individuals.
I know what you mean MrsJoe. My mom and her siblings changed their first names to avoid problems with both innocent mispronunciation and prejudiced relentless teasing. A person shouldn't have to change their name but if that resolves the situation I guess it's the easiest/best thing to do.

A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 9:05 am

    Quoting  :

I agree on all counts, ET!

A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
2/28/2021 9:13 am

That's just how it is for first generation immigrants from one country to another where the languages are very different.....especially back in the day ......Par for the course.....


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 10:01 am

    Quoting  :

Agreed, ET. Back in the day all of the ship manifests and other immigration documents were handwritten, just as census documents were. Today when people take on the huge task of uploading all that info, in many cases they're reading from old, worn documents complicated at times by bad handwriting. Not a task I'd want! Today with everything being computerized I'm sure like you said there are fewer errors.

A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!


Maudie1 74F
8151 posts
2/28/2021 10:04 am

Very interesting read . I know of some foreign people living here in Ireland are given different names by their employer because of the difficulty we Irish have in pronouncing their names correctly. They are given an easier version of the name where possible. The ones I know of are happy enough with that arrangment, others I guess not so.

A lot of Irish names are very hard to pronounce and spell also. It must be very difficult for people from other countries to get their tongue around some of our names .


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 10:04 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    That's just how it is for first generation immigrants from one country to another where the languages are very different.....especially back in the day ......Par for the course.....
In my many years of genealogy research, Sparkle, I've seen lots of misspellings of my ancestors' names. That is to be expected. But this was outside the norm. It was egregious and offensive.

A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 10:19 am

    Quoting Maudie1:
    Very interesting read . I know of some foreign people living here in Ireland are given different names by their employer because of the difficulty we Irish have in pronouncing their names correctly. They are given an easier version of the name where possible. The ones I know of are happy enough with that arrangment, others I guess not so.

    A lot of Irish names are very hard to pronounce and spell also. It must be very difficult for people from other countries to get their tongue around some of our names .
Maudie, it's interesting ... many of my relatives simplified their surnames by hacking off the last few letters. Doing this also made their names more "American-sounding". But I still remember my mother grumbling about it whenever she saw that done because she thought they should proudly use their true surname. Just like you said, some people like the idea of a name change and others don't!

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Koffla 68M
12317 posts
2/28/2021 10:28 am



Even to this day we see a lot of prejudice and discrimination against second and third generation immigrant groups. Those guilty of it don't realize their ancestors themselves experienced the same by those that arrived before them. Thanks to xenophobic rethoric and anti-immigrant politics, I don't think things are changing any time soon.

btw, if I am not mistaken, the Orange Stain ancestors, changed their surname from "Drumpf" to "Trump" to assimilate in the United States and avoid discrimination.






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PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 10:36 am

    Quoting Koffla:


    Even to this day we see a lot of prejudice and discrimination against second and third generation immigrant groups. Those guilty of it don't realize their ancestors themselves experienced the same by those that arrived before them. Thanks to xenophobic rethoric and anti-immigrant politics, I don't think things are changing any time soon.

    btw, if I am not mistaken, the Orange Stain ancestors, changed their surname from "Drumpf" to "Trump" to assimilate in the United States and avoid discrimination.


Agreed, Koffla. And I never knew that about the Trump family name. Interesting. Great new photo by the way. Very handsome!

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starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
2/28/2021 10:44 am

There are plenty of eras in earlier census . I was told that my 3rd Great Grandmother was Native American. I found a census that listed her as Black. Which was she? Neither showed up in my DNA testing. There are many different spellings, of my German birthname. It turns out that my paternal great father was a major league alcoholic and abandoned the family. My great-grandmother had children and continued to list her absent husband as the legal father. My poor Uncle found out that he was 42 percent Irish and my grandfather was not his biological father. It was fun trying to nail down that one. Gotta love DNA

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PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
2/28/2021 10:55 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    There are plenty of eras in earlier census . I was told that my 3rd Great Grandmother was Native American. I found a census that listed her as Black. Which was she? Neither showed up in my DNA testing. There are many different spellings, of my German birthname. It turns out that my paternal great father was a major league alcoholic and abandoned the family. My great-grandmother had children and continued to list her absent husband as the legal father. My poor Uncle found out that he was 42 percent Irish and my grandfather was not his biological father. It was fun trying to nail down that one. Gotta love DNA
Yes, DNA can certainly be very revealing! My daughter received an email from a woman claiming to be her half sister. But my ex husband denied any knowledge of another child .... until DNA proved the relationship! Years ago whoever would have thought that we'd be using DNA to connect with family members we knew of, and to find some that we didn't know of!

A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
2/28/2021 6:42 pm

I'm an immigrant myself, with a foreign name ......All the way through school my teachers accused me of misspelling my own name......Even as an adult...an editor took it upon himself to "correct" my name on my article without contacting me.......I have had to spell my names every time I verbally say it all my life.......My sisters all changed their names to conform to English......My brother's name was Arnt......yes, with an n.....a very common Norwegian name.....My sister's names were Rannveig, Synnøve, Bodil, Jorunn, Wenche,.......My surname is also unpronounceable in English.......This is a common situation for many immigrants......I doubt very much if your pronunciation of any of those names comes even close to being correct


PearlsWthMyJeans 68F
1708 posts
3/1/2021 12:43 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I'm an immigrant myself, with a foreign name ......All the way through school my teachers accused me of misspelling my own name......Even as an adult...an editor took it upon himself to "correct" my name on my article without contacting me.......I have had to spell my names every time I verbally say it all my life.......My sisters all changed their names to conform to English......My brother's name was Arnt......yes, with an n.....a very common Norwegian name.....My sister's names were Rannveig, Synnøve, Bodil, Jorunn, Wenche,.......My surname is also unpronounceable in English.......This is a common situation for many immigrants......I doubt very much if your pronunciation of any of those names comes even close to being correct
Challenge to pronounce those names not accepted. I believe you have misunderstood my previous comment as trivializing your experience. It was not meant that way. I was trying to restate the actual intent of my post which was to draw attention to the fact that mockery can be (and was in this case) a form of racism.

A day without dance is .... just kidding. I have no idea!