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starwomyn 70F
5508 posts
8/29/2017 11:16 am

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A LIBERAL'S Prospective of the Shaming of Pastor Joel Osteen

Thus far, I have been called a racist, a white apologist and a civil war fanatic for defending the Constitution. Now I have been officially declared "a defender of hypocrisy."

Television evangelist Osteen has received some really nasty tweets and FB remarks for not immediately opening up his megachurch, that was converted from an arena that seats over 16,000, to the thousands of people that have been displaced by flooding following Hurricane Harvey.

Granted, Megachurches are not my forte. I am very happy with my humble Quaker Meeting that gets together at the local library on Sundays. The best that we could do was support the organizations that were better equipped to help the flood survivors from last year's Thousand Year Flood in West Virginia.

There are folks who are quick to criticize people of faith and hypocrite seems to be the favorite term. Nonetheless, People from various faiths certainly stepped in to help our devastated West Virginia community.

Perhaps some folks don't realize what a major league undertaking is required to open up a church to house that many people. Joel Osteen may be the pastor of Lakewood Church but he is not necessarily the boss. There is a board that he is accountable to. There is also local ordinances and safety regulations that have to be followed. There could be flooding or the potential flooding. There are safety, security and sanitation issues

Houston doesn't need a repeat of the Astrodome scenerio in New Orleans. People were without food, water, sanitation supplies, medicine and vulnerable people became crime victims.

Maybe the best way that Lakewood can help the flood victims is to support the resources that are better equipped to help them. It is my observation that Texas is doing an excellent job of helping themselves. We need to quit taking their inventory.

Just my not so humble opinion!!!




Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/29/2017 11:19 am



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MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
8/29/2017 12:43 pm

Bravo, Star!
My daughter (whose husband pastors a small church) and I were just discussing this a little while ago. Neither of us are fans of Osteen, but we were laughing about how quickly folks jump on the judgment bandwagon. People not involved in running a church have no idea how much money it takes every month just to have it.
Nobody knows if he has personally donated money to the relief funds...... that is his business, and I am very skeptical of those who want to say, "Look at me, I gave X amount of money!" Nobody know either if his church donated anything yet.
You are correct about the management of a church, he is not the boss..... he is actually an employee and the mouthpiece, the one everybody sees. He may have a lot of pull with the board of directors, but ultimately, they make the decisions, not him....... and there may be other factors involved that none of us know.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/29/2017 6:12 pm

    Quoting  :

I have done volunteer work in homeless shelters and they are not fun places to be. I would be terrified of sleeping on a mat in a stadium among thousands of strangers. I have a Texas cousin with four kids who had to evacuate her home. She was able to be sheltered in her own church with her own people. That is far more comforting than the thought of my sweet cousin taking her babies to stay at Lakewood. I hope that Osteen sends a big fat check to my cousin's church. I am going to send them a donation but not big as Osteen's.

Abracadabra


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/29/2017 9:58 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I have done volunteer work in homeless shelters and they are not fun places to be. I would be terrified of sleeping on a mat in a stadium among thousands of strangers. I have a Texas cousin with four kids who had to evacuate her home. She was able to be sheltered in her own church with her own people. That is far more comforting than the thought of my sweet cousin taking her babies to stay at Lakewood. I hope that Osteen sends a big fat check to my cousin's church. I am going to send them a donation but not big as Osteen's.
Just watching the videos of the rescues in Huston got me crying so much I had to stop.......I also saw a video of a shelter with thousands of cots lined up in a huge hall......Those poor exhausted people, after all those hours of high anxiety,
and all the worries and grief they must have, it would indeed be very difficult to get any sleep in those conditions.......My grandson reminded me that it takes a couple of weeks for our bodies to eliminate a big surge of adrenaline.......I find it amazing that anyone paying attention has anything left over for making accusations like you describe, but maybe that's how some people process the horror, grief and helplessness of such a tragedy.......


bijou624

8/29/2017 10:48 pm

Watching all those poor people trudging through water and even those lucky enough to make it to shelters, what is going to happen after the flood? I heard many people don't even have flood insurance, so when they are finally able to return home, will their houses be full of mould, what will happen to all those houses full of water damaged soggy furniture? I heard the flood water is not exactly full of clean water. One huge furniture store opened its doors to anyone needing shelter, but there were hundreds or thousands of people jumping up and down and eating and sleeping on a huge store full of brand new expensive furniture, and now it is a store full of used dirty furniture.


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
8/29/2017 11:03 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Just watching the videos of the rescues in Huston got me crying so much I had to stop.......I also saw a video of a shelter with thousands of cots lined up in a huge hall......Those poor exhausted people, after all those hours of high anxiety,
    and all the worries and grief they must have, it would indeed be very difficult to get any sleep in those conditions.......My grandson reminded me that it takes a couple of weeks for our bodies to eliminate a big surge of adrenaline.......I find it amazing that anyone paying attention has anything left over for making accusations like you describe, but maybe that's how some people process the horror, grief and helplessness of such a tragedy.......
For once, we agree. I have to turn it off and rest my mind from the horrors of it. I look around our home, as humble as it is, and cannot even imagine how I would feel if we lost everything.
The uncertainty those people must feel.... not only the loss, but the not knowing if or when they can return home.... how they will deal with the devastation when they do..... and how will they live in the meantime. It is beyond anything my mind can comprehend.
Yet, people in the media seem to want to focus on trivial accusations like about the church or the First Lady's shoes!
Or they want to get in those poor people's faces and get their "reactions". WTF do they expect? I liked the spitfire woman that told them just what she thought about them sticking a microphone in her face when she was cold and her child was standing there soaking wet.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/30/2017 5:56 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    For once, we agree. I have to turn it off and rest my mind from the horrors of it. I look around our home, as humble as it is, and cannot even imagine how I would feel if we lost everything.
    The uncertainty those people must feel.... not only the loss, but the not knowing if or when they can return home.... how they will deal with the devastation when they do..... and how will they live in the meantime. It is beyond anything my mind can comprehend.
    Yet, people in the media seem to want to focus on trivial accusations like about the church or the First Lady's shoes!
    Or they want to get in those poor people's faces and get their "reactions". WTF do they expect? I liked the spitfire woman that told them just what she thought about them sticking a microphone in her face when she was cold and her child was standing there soaking wet.
We talk about "fake news".. The description for me is always the WHY?
The WHY? makes it the fake news.

So let me ask you........Why did CNN show that interview?


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
8/30/2017 7:41 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    We talk about "fake news".. The description for me is always the WHY?
    The WHY? makes it the fake news.

    So let me ask you........Why did CNN show that interview?
The interview I saw, appeared to be broadcasting live. Perhaps they couldn't delete it fast enough?

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/30/2017 9:55 am

    Quoting  :

A couples of thing.. the interview was obviously set up for an interview.
The participant was asked to be interview, and not imposed upon. could have refused

Second Live is never really live....there is always a delay.

Third... CNN, really didn't care what she said. Whatever she said was the news.

Fourth..... the news, is this case, is not blaming the news media.. It's the anger and frustration of people put under the circumstances.
The idea of Live news... is special, in our world of regurgitation.
The idea alone of live news is special...In a world of spoon fed news.
CNN, allowed us the interpretation of this news. that's what they do Your idea that CNN did it alone... Is unbelievably biased, Not only that, but totally wrong ..the proof is CNN was the only showing that part of it.

So CNN is the 'bad guy', Fox news is the "good guy". Fox News tells the truth everyone else is fake news....YOU NEED TO BELIEVE SOMEBODY, BESIDES TRUMP.
I hope you seriously believe that.... because i believe Fox News plays the news to their audience, but there is going to come a time with Trump. That Fox News will no longer be able to play. The Republican party turns on trump, you still have an excuse..but what happens when Fox News turns on him?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/30/2017 11:13 am

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    For once, we agree. I have to turn it off and rest my mind from the horrors of it. I look around our home, as humble as it is, and cannot even imagine how I would feel if we lost everything.
    The uncertainty those people must feel.... not only the loss, but the not knowing if or when they can return home.... how they will deal with the devastation when they do..... and how will they live in the meantime. It is beyond anything my mind can comprehend.
    Yet, people in the media seem to want to focus on trivial accusations like about the church or the First Lady's shoes!
    Or they want to get in those poor people's faces and get their "reactions". WTF do they expect? I liked the spitfire woman that told them just what she thought about them sticking a microphone in her face when she was cold and her child was standing there soaking wet.
I liked that spitfire woman too.....she started answering the reporter's question, then caught herself........There were several awful reporters who seemed to be totally without empathy and there were some, one in particular, a very wet,
tall man, who stayed for hours, helping out communications and when the newscaster in the studio in their headquarters kept pushing him to get in people's faces, he wouldn't do it, though he tried to tell her respectfully to back off. I don't know what network he worked for, but he did a great job, actually finding ways to be helpful.