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starwomyn 70F
5508 posts
11/12/2018 9:28 pm

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HowCanAQuakerBelongToThePartyOfLincoln? SCOTLAND LASSIE wants to know

Scotland Lassie wants to knowI wonder what the FCNL would think of your change in political belief now. Do they know you are now a registered trumper?
Do YOU know that the Society of Friends is directly opposed to trump's policies on almost everything because those policies are absolutely against their beliefs?

So...how can you call yourself a Quaker and still be devoted to trump]



Republican - The Party of Lincoln and Home of the 13th Amendment
- Dang! The Quakers helped to organize the Underground Railroad and supported Emancipation. Although I grew up in a generational Democrat family. It was considered the Working Class Party during the Kennedy Era. My father spent several in the Military but went to work in a glass factory after leaving the army. It makes sense that he was a democrat and I followed his footsteps.

The problem is that concerns of working class citizens is no longer on the Democrat agenda. They created regulations that totally discouraged businesses to come into thier communities. The ones already there were leaving. When a party seeks to close the coal mines and eliminate jobs, what is my motivation to stay? There is always welfare but who wants to live like that.

Ironically, I grew up in California. Fires were always a concern when the Santa Ana winds came along. Much of the potential damage could be minimized with clearing away debris, removing fallen logs and controlled burnings. Democrats wanted to leave nature as it was and Mother Nature is raging. What happened to the money that was allocated to control these potential disasters?

When working class folks voted in Trump, they were NOT motivated by racism, bigotry, or xenophobia. They were not looking for a smooth talking, micromanager of Politically Correctness carpetbagger. The Status Qua was not working for them. They were looking for a business man who would encourage Businesses to develop in thier communities. Business equals jobs which means they can take care of themselves and their families.

An individual who frequently ridicules those who have religious and spiritual leanings is not in a position to accurately define my spiritual path. She has no clue.



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starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
11/12/2018 9:32 pm

Separation of Church and State means the Church does not dictate Politics to the members and Government does not dictate Religion to it's Citizens

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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/12/2018 11:18 pm

...All those words, and you still haven't answered my question!


starwomyn replies on 11/12/2018 11:30 pm:
Do not believe anyone who is on the left when they characterize us on the right. They lie!

starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
11/12/2018 11:41 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    ...All those words, and you still haven't answered my question!
Beginning with Lincoln, there have been nineteen Republicans to serve as President of the United State including Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon who were both Republicans as well as Quaker. So the answer to your question is Yes a Quaker can be a Republican.

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MrsJoe 76F
17381 posts
11/13/2018 4:28 am

Never feel you need to explain yourself or your actions to someone who doesn't even know you and only asks derogatory questions to put you down. It does no good and gives them a feeling of power over you to make you dance to their tune.
Thank goodness, in our country, we can belong to any church we chose, or no church. We can believe in God, or not, in any way we chose. We can belong to any political party or to no party, and we can actually agree with things in either party that we chose........... we don't have to be rabid supporters of any party just because we belong to it.
You are right about the shift in party focus since the days of JFK. My grandparents and parents identified with the Democrat party, and I think they would be appalled today by it.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
11/13/2018 7:25 am

One of our newly elected Democrat State Level Senators is a minister. He was appointed the position when the past State Senator needed to retire. We were talking about him in the Republican headquarters. One woman mentioned that he did Gay Marriages. I responded that I didn't have a problem with Gay marriage. In fact, I occasionally attend services where the minister is a lesbian. We didn't feel the need to bash each other over a difference of opinion. There can be a respectful difference of opinion. That frequently doesn't happen in Left leaning circles - there is a lack of intolerance for a difference of opinion. I am perfectly comfortable with this Democrat minister being a State Senator. I am also fine with Senator Manchin remaining in office. I am REALLY delighted that our newly elected house representative is a Lady in Red.

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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/13/2018 7:28 am

Since I didn't even mention "Republicans" either in my original question to you, or in the fudged one on this blog. No, you haven't answered my question.

I asked what the FNCL thinks of you supporting Trump, when they are directly opposed to his policies. And how you personally resolve that conflict of interest/belief.?
For instance, I am an atheist, and a Liberal, because I could never resolve those conflicts. That's WHY I ask these questions...if you all think I ridicule you, then that's your idea, NOT MINE!


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
11/13/2018 9:18 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Since I didn't even mention "Republicans" either in my original question to you, or in the fudged one on this blog. No, you haven't answered my question.

    I asked what the FNCL thinks of you supporting Trump, when they are directly opposed to his policies. And how you personally resolve that conflict of interest/belief.?
    For instance, I am an atheist, and a Liberal, because I could never resolve those conflicts. That's WHY I ask these questions...if you all think I ridicule you, then that's your idea, NOT MINE!
I am registered as a Republican not as a "Trump devotee." There have been 19 Republican Presidents including two Quakers. Do you really thing the FCNL is opposed to immigrants coming in LEGALLY? Why would they be in favor of open borders that allow anyone including criminals, drug and sex traffickers to come pouring into the United States? What policies do you believe the FCNL are directly opposed to? Is the FCNL opposed to bringing in business to stimulate the economy and eliminate poverty for U.S. citizens? There are some policies that I support and others that I disagree with but we can talk about the differences with civility. That is what being a Republican is all about.

There is also a factor called the First Amendment in the United States. Freedom of Religion - My religion does not dictate my politics and visa versa, My ancestors left Scotland because they didn't want to follow religious practices as dictated by the Crown. They also wanted the freedom to agree or disagree with a political leader. Perhaps this is a lesson you never learned since most of your family is still in Scotland. If you disagree with the Queen, it's off with your head.

So the Question is - How do you resolve the conflict of being an Atheist with being a King James devotee. What do you do when the Queen's fashions choices do not match yours. How many silly little hats do you have in your closet?
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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
11/13/2018 11:24 am

You don't know much about Scotland, do you? Otherwise you wouldn't make ludicrous statements like this!


"There is also a factor called the First Amendment in the United States. Freedom of Religion - My religion does not dictate my politics and visa versa, My ancestors left Scotland because they didn't want to follow religious practices as dictated by the Crown. They also wanted the freedom to agree or disagree with a political leader. Perhaps this is a lesson you never learned since most of your family is still in Scotland. If you disagree with the Queen, it's off with your head."


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
11/13/2018 1:07 pm

Quoting Scotland Lassie You don't know much about Scotland, do you? Otherwise you wouldn't make ludicrous statements like this!

You are the ludicrous one: I certainly know why my ancestors left Scotland and other parts of Great Britain. They didn't want to be devotees of the crown so why would the descendants want to be Trump devotee or devotees to any political leader in the United States. We are the ones who elect them into office and if they screw up, we vote them out.

You don't have the option. I am sure that Scotland yard is watching you to make sure you have that King James under your pillow. Hail to the Queen, Do you wear weights in your skirt like she does to go along with your silly hat.


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starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
11/13/2018 9:24 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    You don't know much about Scotland, do you? Otherwise you wouldn't make ludicrous statements like this!


    "There is also a factor called the First Amendment in the United States. Freedom of Religion - My religion does not dictate my politics and visa versa, My ancestors left Scotland because they didn't want to follow religious practices as dictated by the Crown. They also wanted the freedom to agree or disagree with a political leader. Perhaps this is a lesson you never learned since most of your family is still in Scotland. If you disagree with the Queen, it's off with your head."

Maybe the Queen will let you keep your head if you learn to quit asking such asinine insulting questions.

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