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starwomyn 70F
5508 posts
8/27/2019 10:30 am

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dem·a·gogues, ordinary people, and following the law

dem·a·gogue
/ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/
d1. a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of
ordinary people rather than by using rational argument:
"a gifted demagogue with particular skill in manipulating the press"
per gOOgle research via the Cricket!

About RACISM - No one in modern times would argue the morality of slavery or advocate a return to Jim Crow laws. There are problems in black communities that the people in those communities have to solve themselves. White people can be supportive allies but they can't charge into these communities with the attitude of being the savior.

Thus comes the Christian Basher aka the NeverTrumpster from Canada. Ironically many of the answers come FROM the faith community. It is the people from the Faith Communities that organize the clean-ups, food pantries, mentoring and tutoring programs for the youth, ad infinitum.

One of the things that I observed about Baltimore is that among the rubble there were community gardens and chicken coops with locks them to keep out the trouble makers. There are people in the community who are trying but there are others in that community working against them. If some of these trouble makers spent more time inside the churches they might find their lives going in a better direction. Trump-Supporting Allies came into the community to help clean up the junk but they can't force the problematic people to stay away from drugs, the gangster lifestyle and spend more time inside the churches. They have to do it for themselves. The community will never get better unless the troubled residents make a decision to make the changes for themselves.

The same scenario happens in Central American Nations. There are members of their own community working against the ones who are trying to improve their neighborhoods. The problem is that the same troublemakers are caravanning to the United States border along with those looking for a better way of life. This is why we need secure borders and for people to come in legally. We don't know the motivation among the sneak-ins

"I would dare say that not all of them are migrants," Mayor Juan Manuel Gastélum said last week in an interview with Milenio television, suggesting some members of the caravan were criminal infiltrators. "Sure, there are some good people in the caravan, but many are very bad for the city."

Ironically, it is the people in the Faith Community who provide shelter, legal services,
and relocation assistance to the migrants that are released from the detention centers.

The recent ICE raids in Mississippi resulted in most of the illegals being released within the same day. The difference is that they are now in the country illegally without jobs and they still have to provide for. This scenario would not be happening if they came in LEGALLY.

So who are the ordinary people that Cricket is talking about? Is he implying that ordinary people are so stupid that they believe everything the Russians put the media and immediately vote for Trump?

Are ordinary people the West Virginia coal miners who opted to vote AGAINST Hillary when she stated at a rally that she intended to close the coal mines. Perhaps they are working-class people who have concluded that "Government as Usual" is not working for them. We all have unconscious bias and preconceived notions about people who are different from us but very few people overtly hate people who are different. Most people have moved forward from the mindset of past eras.

Most of us come from immigration but there is nothing wrong with expecting newcomers to follow the law.




Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/27/2019 10:39 am

Ordinary people are the ones who do the cleanup, gather the resources, take care of their families and care about their communities.

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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/27/2019 12:12 pm

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Wow, you sure rely on Alinsky a lot...a hero of yours?. One doesn't have to live in the USA to know how to speak English. Even when it's a second language. The word "countries" is the plural of "country" , whereas the possessive (what I assume you're after based on context) is "country's"


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/27/2019 2:13 pm

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Quoting sparkleflit:
. One doesn't have to live in the USA to know how to speak English. Even when it's a second language. The word "countries" is the plural of "country" , whereas the possessive (what I assume you're after based on context) is "country's"

So now she is going to correct our grammar in addition to dictating who we should elect to be our President. We are not exactly writing a thesis with this blog and Trump didn't get voted into office because of his stellular public speaking skills. Creative liberties are allowed.

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starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/27/2019 2:19 pm

countries' problems If you are talking about plural nations (namely Scotland and Canada) the word "countries' problem" sends a grammatically correct message.

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starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/27/2019 2:26 pm

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[SIZE 3]any person with the hate and venom knows well that blogging. posting on social media does nothing in gaining support for anyone opposing trump. Words of a wise man.

Hank communicates with the lingo of the folks in his community. West Virginia has several. You can have To"May"toes, To"mah"toes or Maters. Scientifically. it's a fruit but many treat it as a vegetable.

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MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
8/27/2019 2:36 pm

Busy week here already, Star..... I've run off and left Joe a couple times today to get a few things. The other day, I had my daughter pick up a few to-MA-toes, but the are much to hard and tasteless..... so I let them sit hoping they would change. Maybe into tom-MAH-toes.......... but they will never be just good old maters!

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/27/2019 2:58 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Busy week here already, Star..... I've run off and left Joe a couple times today to get a few things. The other day, I had my daughter pick up a few to-MA-toes, but the are much to hard and tasteless..... so I let them sit hoping they would change. Maybe into tom-MAH-toes.......... but they will never be just good old maters!
LOL! Nothing ever measures up to those homegrown maters. I have a few plants going and so do my neighbors. We share.

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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/27/2019 4:10 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    countries' problems If you are talking about plural nations (namely Scotland and Canada) the word "countries' problem" sends a grammatically correct message.
There was no apostrophe in Bigblock's use of the word "countries".


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
8/27/2019 5:25 pm

The inevitable result of a leader who appeals to emotion rather than rational thought is that it leads to hypocrisy, which is blatantly obvious with Trump........


dusty117 73M

8/27/2019 7:10 pm

Starwomyn it doesn't get any more ridiculous than … "white people can be supportive allies but they can't charge into these communities with the attitude of being the savior".

Let me know when these WHITE SAVIORS start charging into Black communities. I don't wanna miss it ..


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/27/2019 8:59 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Starwomyn it doesn't get any more ridiculous than … "white people can be supportive allies but they can't charge into these communities with the attitude of being the savior".

    Let me know when these WHITE SAVIORS start charging into Black communities. I don't wanna miss it ..
Have you ever heard of the term "whiteplaining?" It is very much like "mansplaining." Usually, signs of whitesplaining include a condescending tone and a paternalistic assumption that a person of color doesn’t know enough to accurately articulate their own experience.

Abracadabra


dusty117 73M

8/27/2019 10:08 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Have you ever heard of the term "whiteplaining?" It is very much like "mansplaining." Usually, signs of whitesplaining include a condescending tone and a paternalistic assumption that a person of color doesn’t know enough to accurately articulate their own experience.
Nope, I haven't heard that term. What I do hear is excuses.

We're talking about Racism because Trump is a racist and wouldn't be president without the "racists vote". And Trump knows it .. he cultivates it.

Trump launched his political career with his racist birther movement … a dog whistle to fellow racists .. *I'm one of you.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/28/2019 5:48 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    Nope, I haven't heard that term. What I do hear is excuses.

    We're talking about Racism because Trump is a racist and wouldn't be president without the "racists vote". And Trump knows it .. he cultivates it.

    Trump launched his political career with his racist birther movement … a dog whistle to fellow racists .. *I'm one of you.
According to some, we are all guilty of racism but if I am not out advocating the return of Jim Crow laws, I don't worry about it.

This immigration system has been broken for decades. Pres Trump is trying to fix it. For years illegals have been here and it seems like nothing was done nor the issue addressed. Why? Because illegal workers served a need- low pay more money in business owners pockets. When one applies for a Visa to come to America it may take years - so the vicious cycle has never been fixed. Possibly because our politicians cannot show up as grown-ups and fix the problems.


Abracadabra


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
8/28/2019 11:02 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    According to some, we are all guilty of racism but if I am not out advocating the return of Jim Crow laws, I don't worry about it.

    This immigration system has been broken for decades. Pres Trump is trying to fix it. For years illegals have been here and it seems like nothing was done nor the issue addressed. Why? Because illegal workers served a need- low pay more money in business owners pockets. When one applies for a Visa to come to America it may take years - so the vicious cycle has never been fixed. Possibly because our politicians cannot show up as grown-ups and fix the problems.
The reason it can't be fixed is because "America" was founded by "illegal aliens". People who stole the land from it's indigenous people, for the simple reason that they thought they had the right to do what they wished because they held themselves to be a more intelligent race and culture.
What humans have done to each other in the name of religion and politics is abominable. If you don't believe that... then you are a hypocrite.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/28/2019 11:41 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    According to some, we are all guilty of racism but if I am not out advocating the return of Jim Crow laws, I don't worry about it.

    This immigration system has been broken for decades. Pres Trump is trying to fix it. For years illegals have been here and it seems like nothing was done nor the issue addressed. Why? Because illegal workers served a need- low pay more money in business owners pockets. When one applies for a Visa to come to America it may take years - so the vicious cycle has never been fixed. Possibly because our politicians cannot show up as grown-ups and fix the problems.
The idea of Republicanism and Christian values, as it appears to you they are opposed by Liberals.. You are mistaken.. You have a mistaken enemy identification..

If Liberal wanted to destroy Republicanism and Christian values.. They would LET Trump do it for them, and then "pick up" the pieces.

but you see, Liberals are afraid too... they fear they won't be able to put Humpty Dumpty back again..

Trump doesn't fix thing... But Trump is a "fixer.".

After Trump "fixes' our immigration problem... then he moves on to racial problems, social security and medicare problems, healthcare problems, the deficit, economy problems, and world problems..

What indication has Trump given you..that he is trying to FIX those problems? Instead of forming a New World Order...

Never in our history has their been someone so diabolical...Adolph Hitler couldn't do it.. Adolph Hitler used the circumstances... to create the opportunity for his New World Order..
But Trump believes he has the power to create the CIRCUMSTANCES.... To Create the Opportunity..

I don't feel sorry for Republicans and Christians ... you are going to get What you deserve.. For Republicans he's got you by the balls, and Christians he's got you by your soul"

I feel sorry for Denmark.. The "pain" is coming......this Greenland thing is NOT over.. And Denmark...will be Trump's target.. to created the circumstances..... to get the opportunity. And "you folks" won't even know it's happening.. until he acquires Greenland and says... I told you so..

Why don't you just admit it?... You know it...There is NOTHING about Trump that says Republicanism or Christian values. It's all a New World Order...

And You are willing to Trash it all... Why?.... There is no end game here.. there is no light at the end of the tunnel.. what can you imagine is going to happen?
But DOMINANCE.. Is that what your goal is... DOMINANCE?

Liberals are NOT your ENEMY.. They, NOT GOD, are going to "save" you azz...
You will need to "DEAL" with them... after they do that ... Not before.


dusty117 73M

8/28/2019 12:52 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    According to some, we are all guilty of racism but if I am not out advocating the return of Jim Crow laws, I don't worry about it.

    This immigration system has been broken for decades. Pres Trump is trying to fix it. For years illegals have been here and it seems like nothing was done nor the issue addressed. Why? Because illegal workers served a need- low pay more money in business owners pockets. When one applies for a Visa to come to America it may take years - so the vicious cycle has never been fixed. Possibly because our politicians cannot show up as grown-ups and fix the problems.
Trump is trying to fix it immigration! Really? What has Trump done besides invent a big stupid lie that Mexico will pay for a wall?

The truth is your so called Christian President tried to EXTORT money from poor neighbor Mexico.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/28/2019 2:45 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    The reason it can't be fixed is because "America" was founded by "illegal aliens". People who stole the land from it's indigenous people, for the simple reason that they thought they had the right to do what they wished because they held themselves to be a more intelligent race and culture.
    What humans have done to each other in the name of religion and politics is abominable. If you don't believe that... then you are a hypocrite.

The United States was acquired by conquest as was much of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Canada. "The sun never sets on the British Empire." We are all descendants of conquered people and of the conquerors. We all started off as indigenous people somewhere. Before you start calling Americans hypocrites, you better start looking at yourself. There's Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, ad infinitum.

Abracadabra


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
8/29/2019 11:44 am

    Quoting  :


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.



starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/29/2019 12:03 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    Nope, I haven't heard that term. What I do hear is excuses.

    We're talking about Racism because Trump is a racist and wouldn't be president without the "racists vote". And Trump knows it .. he cultivates it.

    Trump launched his political career with his racist birther movement … a dog whistle to fellow racists .. *I'm one of you.
It is kind of ironic because the same population that voted Obama in also voted Trump in. The ones that I talked to said that they were actually voting "against" Hillary versus for Trump.

Abracadabra


dusty117 73M

8/29/2019 1:20 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The idea of Republicanism and Christian values, as it appears to you they are opposed by Liberals.. You are mistaken.. You have a mistaken enemy identification..

    If Liberal wanted to destroy Republicanism and Christian values.. They would LET Trump do it for them, and then "pick up" the pieces.

    but you see, Liberals are afraid too... they fear they won't be able to put Humpty Dumpty back again..

    Trump doesn't fix thing... But Trump is a "fixer.".

    After Trump "fixes' our immigration problem... then he moves on to racial problems, social security and medicare problems, healthcare problems, the deficit, economy problems, and world problems..

    What indication has Trump given you..that he is trying to FIX those problems? Instead of forming a New World Order...

    Never in our history has their been someone so diabolical...Adolph Hitler couldn't do it.. Adolph Hitler used the circumstances... to create the opportunity for his New World Order..
    But Trump believes he has the power to create the CIRCUMSTANCES.... To Create the Opportunity..

    I don't feel sorry for Republicans and Christians ... you are going to get What you deserve.. For Republicans he's got you by the balls, and Christians he's got you by your soul"

    I feel sorry for Denmark.. The "pain" is coming......this Greenland thing is NOT over.. And Denmark...will be Trump's target.. to created the circumstances..... to get the opportunity. And "you folks" won't even know it's happening.. until he acquires Greenland and says... I told you so..

    Why don't you just admit it?... You know it...There is NOTHING about Trump that says Republicanism or Christian values. It's all a New World Order...

    And You are willing to Trash it all... Why?.... There is no end game here.. there is no light at the end of the tunnel.. what can you imagine is going to happen?
    But DOMINANCE.. Is that what your goal is... DOMINANCE?

    Liberals are NOT your ENEMY.. They, NOT GOD, are going to "save" you azz...
    You will need to "DEAL" with them... after they do that ... Not before.
Cricket you nailed it ..

The "new world order" is the old world where all the great castles and gardens, pyramids, Wonders of the World etc. were all built by slaves and built for elite.

Labor Unions, "living wage" etc. just don't fit in.

Trump isn't a bad actor .. and he clearly isn't smart enough to be any more than an actor, a hired hand, playing a role, following orders and getting paid. The "new world order" selected Trump.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/29/2019 8:31 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:

    Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.



Opinions are like lower chakras, everyone has one and some of them need some Major Sageing

Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/29/2019 11:44 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The idea of Republicanism and Christian values, as it appears to you they are opposed by Liberals.. You are mistaken.. You have a mistaken enemy identification..

    If Liberal wanted to destroy Republicanism and Christian values.. They would LET Trump do it for them, and then "pick up" the pieces.

    but you see, Liberals are afraid too... they fear they won't be able to put Humpty Dumpty back again..

    Trump doesn't fix thing... But Trump is a "fixer.".

    After Trump "fixes' our immigration problem... then he moves on to racial problems, social security and medicare problems, healthcare problems, the deficit, economy problems, and world problems..

    What indication has Trump given you..that he is trying to FIX those problems? Instead of forming a New World Order...

    Never in our history has their been someone so diabolical...Adolph Hitler couldn't do it.. Adolph Hitler used the circumstances... to create the opportunity for his New World Order..
    But Trump believes he has the power to create the CIRCUMSTANCES.... To Create the Opportunity..

    I don't feel sorry for Republicans and Christians ... you are going to get What you deserve.. For Republicans he's got you by the balls, and Christians he's got you by your soul"

    I feel sorry for Denmark.. The "pain" is coming......this Greenland thing is NOT over.. And Denmark...will be Trump's target.. to created the circumstances..... to get the opportunity. And "you folks" won't even know it's happening.. until he acquires Greenland and says... I told you so..

    Why don't you just admit it?... You know it...There is NOTHING about Trump that says Republicanism or Christian values. It's all a New World Order...

    And You are willing to Trash it all... Why?.... There is no end game here.. there is no light at the end of the tunnel.. what can you imagine is going to happen?
    But DOMINANCE.. Is that what your goal is... DOMINANCE?

    Liberals are NOT your ENEMY.. They, NOT GOD, are going to "save" you azz...
    You will need to "DEAL" with them... after they do that ... Not before.
Cricket................You tend to make things more complicated than they have to be. My perspective on certain issues does not put my soul in peril or my azzzzz in danger. It is really quite simple. I've lived in communities where gangs were a problem and I've seen first hand the problems that come with illegal immigration. Maybe you lived a privileged life where you never had to worry about gang violence or the crime that goes with it.

My position is to Build the Wall and Secure the Border to keep that element from sneaking into our communities.

Even sneak-ins with good intentions are exploited. The journey to the border is dangerous with gangsters and the cartel committing violence toward the migrants. Women and even young children are subjected to s*xual assault. They die in the desert and while swimming the Rio Grande. Even after they get to the other side of the border, they are not safe. They are vulnerable to forced labor, forced pr*st*t*t**n and child p*rn*gr*phy. The so-called legit employers will underpay them for work under hazardous conditions.

Immigration Laws do need to be reformed so that the right folks can come in through safely through the door with the legal protections afforded to the rest of the workers.

Being politically homeless is far better than being politically clueless.


Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/30/2019 8:06 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Cricket................You tend to make things more complicated than they have to be. My perspective on certain issues does not put my soul in peril or my azzzzz in danger. It is really quite simple. I've lived in communities where gangs were a problem and I've seen first hand the problems that come with illegal immigration. Maybe you lived a privileged life where you never had to worry about gang violence or the crime that goes with it.

    My position is to Build the Wall and Secure the Border to keep that element from sneaking into our communities.

    Even sneak-ins with good intentions are exploited. The journey to the border is dangerous with gangsters and the cartel committing violence toward the migrants. Women and even young children are subjected to s*xual assault. They die in the desert and while swimming the Rio Grande. Even after they get to the other side of the border, they are not safe. They are vulnerable to forced labor, forced pr*st*t*t**n and child p*rn*gr*phy. The so-called legit employers will underpay them for work under hazardous conditions.

    Immigration Laws do need to be reformed so that the right folks can come in through safely through the door with the legal protections afforded to the rest of the workers.

    Being politically homeless is far better than being politically clueless.
"Immigration Laws do need to be reformed so that the right folks can come in through safely through the door with the legal protections afforded to the rest of the workers. "

Do you have any idea what you just said..? It's hard for me to imagine., any body putting the words "right folks" and "selective protections" together..that isn't a bigot or a racist..

How can we see the same thing and come to opposite conclusions..

The idea of who's the victim and who's the perpetrators..Like an abused wife is not the victim..but the perpetrator..and the perpetrator is the victim.. so it is with illegals.. that they are the perpetrator and not the victim..
As you write... how they are victimized and then Justify it ..as their own doing
You have serious problems with enemy identification.... that creates the conflict .. of not wanting to FIX IT... but simply make it GO AWAY..

So if a wife is abused... All she has to do and all we have to do.. is dissolve the marriage? And that will make the WIFE abuse go away!..... Some people were just NEVER meant to be married..? And SOME PEOPLE were NEVER meant to live in this country.

I think you are dealing with the wrong end of the horse...! Instead of leading the horse to drink... You are trying to find a place for it to shit. and in the process become a horse's azz..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
8/30/2019 8:41 am

Ah yes... creating "heaven on earth"... In doing so, One must be diligent in preventing an invasion or infestation.... one must must careful who they "let in".. You can't make it work unless you have the "right folks"...
There are two thin gs about that..
First it's a bunch of "hogwash" and YOU ain't GOD..'

Second .. I may not know what heaven is... but I know what it isn't...

You have serious flaw in your thinking about heaven.. That GOD "selects" those who go there..When It's the simplest selection process there can be..
Those that WANT to be there GO.. those that don't want to be there.. don't go..
All the reasons, you create to be selective... Don't exist in heaven...


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
8/30/2019 9:05 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Ah yes... creating "heaven on earth"... In doing so, One must be diligent in preventing an invasion or infestation.... one must must careful who they "let in".. You can't make it work unless you have the "right folks"...
    There are two thin gs about that..
    First it's a bunch of "hogwash" and YOU ain't GOD..'

    Second .. I may not know what heaven is... but I know what it isn't...

    You have serious flaw in your thinking about heaven.. That GOD "selects" those who go there..When It's the simplest selection process there can be..
    Those that WANT to be there GO.. those that don't want to be there.. don't go..
    All the reasons, you create to be selective... Don't exist in heaven...
Cricket, you really are a jerk! Mr. White Priveleges who has never had to live in a neighborhood with gang violence. There are certain elements that I prefer to stay on the other side of the border. It has nothing to do with color and everything to do with safety. MS-13 Gang members are brutal even toward their own people. Drug and human traffickers can stay on the other side too. Frequently, it is their own people that they are brutalizing.

Secured borders with doors that allow legal entry equals safety on both sides.


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