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starwomyn 70F
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9/1/2019 6:18 pm

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Did Israel Steal Land from the Arabs? c&p

A common accusation against Israel is that the state is founded upon land stolen from the Palestinian people. A quick review of history reveals a far different story.
Ancient History
The Jewish people’s connection to the land goes back some 4,000 years when, according to the Bible, God bequeathed it to the Jewish people through an unconditional covenant with Abraham. The Bible also records the Israelites’ settlement of the land and the establishment of the Davidic Kingdom there. Over the next 3,000 years the Jewish people suffered exiles; however, a Jewish presence always remained.
The second exile began when Roman forces destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, slaughtered many Jewish inhabitants, took others into captivity to Rome, and caused many others to flee. In AD 5, Emperor Hadrian attempted remove all traces of Jewish identity from the area by building a pagan city he named Aelia Capitolina over Jerusalem and erecting a temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount. He also renamed the area of Judea “Palestine” after the Philistines, the ancient enemies of the Israelites.
Paganism eventually gave way to Christianity in Rome, and the Christian Byzantine Empire ruled over the region of Palestine for some 300 years the Islamic invasion of the seventh century. After that, Islam ruled the land of Israel for some 1,400 years the defeat and breakup of the crumbling Ottoman Empire in World War I.
International Backing of the Modern Return
In 1920, the Allied countries of Britain, France, Italy, and Japan met in San Remo, Italy to decide what to do with the areas in the Middle East vacated by the Ottoman Turks. At this conference, they resolved to establish mandatory trusts over these areas for their respective indigenous inhabitants. These mandates were viewed as “sacred trusts” intended to prepare the areas for self-rule by the indigenous peoples. The 19 Balfour Declaration had already declared Great Britain’s support for the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in Palestine, in recognition of the ancient Jewish claim and connection the land of Israel. Former British diplomat Lord Curzon called the Balfour Declaration Israel’s “Magna Carta.”
On July 24, 1922, the fifty- members of the League of Nations, which was later succeeded by the United Nations, unanimously adopted the British Mandate for Palestine. This decision was based on international recognition that the Jewish people were indigenous the land of Israel. It thus enshrined into international law the legal right for Jewish people to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
Professor Eliav Shochetman, an expert in international law at Hebrew University, explains: “The right of the people of Israel to the Land of Israel was recognized by the League of Nations in 1921…From this moment on [the Balfour Document] became accepted by all of the nations” When the League of Nations ended and the United Nations was established, the UN Charter contained “ a special clause, no. 80, in which it is said that all of the rights that were recognized in international law by the League of Nations still exist and are still binding . . . there is no document in international law that grants rights of sovereignty to anybody other than to the Jewish People. This is the legal position,” according to Shochetman.
Land Purchases and Statehood
Several waves of Jewish immigration in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries resulted in economic development and job opportunities for the local population. Therefore, as the Jewish communities grew, so did the Arab population. Jewish organizations and individuals bought property from private landowners—many absentee—often paying exorbitant prices for barren desert and malaria-infested swamps. Upon statehood, Israel assumed title over any public lands once held by the Ottoman Empire.
Palestinian Grievances
After the UN Partition Plan of 1947, the Jews declared statehood, were recognized by the United Nations, and were admitted as full voting members to the international body. Israel’s founding was legal and accepted by the international community as such. However, the new Jewish State was immediately attacked by the surrounding Arab nations.
During the 1948 War of Independence, many Arab peoples living in areas now Israeli sovereignty were displaced. Their displacement occurred for several reasons, including Arab leaders urging them flee and promising their return after victory in a few short weeks. Most Arab refugees never left “Palestine” itself since they traveled a few miles to the other side of the fighting, while others crossed over into bordering Arab nations with the language and ethnicity. Unfortunately, these Arab nations did not welcome their brethren, choosing instead put them into refugee camps where many remain to this day.
Israel’s Proclamation of Independence, issued May , 1948, invited the Arab inhabitants of the land remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state. The 0,000 Arabs remained in Israel kept their homes and properties and are today Israeli citizens enjoy the freedoms and opportunities afforded them by the region’s and democratic country. There are some 1.7 million Arab citizens of Israel today.
Meanwhile, in the wake of their defeat in 1948, the Arab states forcibly expelled more than 800,000 Jewish citizens and stripped them of all their property—constituting a much larger theft of land and belongings and a larger refugee problem than that claimed by the Palestinians. While Israel absorbed these Jewish refugees, the Arab countries did not absorb the Palestinian Arab refugees.
Summary
Hence, it is true that some Arabs lost their residences by vacating them in 1948 realize they were unable return once the fighting stopped. It is also true that some Arab individuals have lost their homes due to Israeli military or security measures. And while any legitimate grievance should be recognized and compensated, the problem is small compared to the large amounts of land Israel obtained legally and the of Jews lost their properties in Arab countries. Therefore, it in no way calls into question the legitimacy of the Jewish State.



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starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/1/2019 6:21 pm

Several waves of Jewish immigration in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries resulted in economic development and job opportunities for the local population. Therefore, as the Jewish communities grew, so did the Arab population. Jewish organizations and individuals bought property from private landowners—many absentee—often paying exorbitant prices for barren desert and malaria-infested swamps. Upon statehood, Israel assumed title over any public lands once held by the Ottoman Empire

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MrsJoe 76F
17435 posts
9/1/2019 7:45 pm

Interesting read.
In Matthew 24:32 -37, there is even more dimension placed on the events of 1947. " 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
As part of that generation, it gives a lot of meaning to the events we are seeing.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17435 posts
9/1/2019 7:49 pm

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Very true on several points.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/1/2019 10:09 pm

GOD BEQUEATHED IT TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.........Surely you realize how ludicrous that sounds........Well, you see, some people told us this story about this invisible sky-creature that is the boss of everything and it must be true because somebody wrote it down somewhere.......Yup...


starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/1/2019 11:21 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    GOD BEQUEATHED IT TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.........Surely you realize how ludicrous that sounds........Well, you see, some people told us this story about this invisible sky-creature that is the boss of everything and it must be true because somebody wrote it down somewhere.......Yup...
I am not inclined to believe that Israel is some kind of sacred cow because of Christian beliefs but business is business. The Jews were recognized as the indigenous people of the land. Jewish organizations and individuals bought property from private landowners—many absentee—often paying exorbitant prices for barren desert and malaria-infested swamps. Upon statehood, Israel assumed title over any public lands once held by the Ottoman Empire.



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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
9/2/2019 1:25 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    GOD BEQUEATHED IT TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.........Surely you realize how ludicrous that sounds........Well, you see, some people told us this story about this invisible sky-creature that is the boss of everything and it must be true because somebody wrote it down somewhere.......Yup...
That "boss of everything" is so handy!!! They never have to take responsibility for anything...it's all his fault!


starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/2/2019 8:58 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    That "boss of everything" is so handy!!! They never have to take responsibility for anything...it's all his fault!
Regardless of your belief or lack of belief in a Higher Power, the article is historical. The land where Israel is located has been occupied by the Romans, the Ottoman and even "The sun never sets on the British Empire."

International recognition stated the Jewish people were indigenous the land of Israel. It thus enshrined into international law the legal right for Jewish people to settle anywhere in western Palestine, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

Russian Jews started coming into Israel during the 19th century. They were wanting to get out of Europe during the 20 century. Particularly during the WW!!.

The History of the Jewish people can also be found in the Bible.


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starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/2/2019 9:00 am

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Any time the Godless duel can bash Christianity they will do so even if the article is not based on religion. If they were more comfortable in their belief of no Higher Power, they would not feel a need to do so.

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dusty117 73M

9/2/2019 11:35 am

Starwomyn, that was then this is now …

Human Rights Watch
World Report 2018

In February, the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, passed the Regularization Law, which allows Israel to retroactively expropriate private Palestinian land on which settlements have been built, though the High Court of Justice issued an injunction freezing its implementation in August. Between July 2016 and June 2017, Israeli authorities authorized construction work on more than 2,000 new housing units for settlers in the West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem

Israel operates a two-tiered system in the West Bank that provides preferential treatment to Israeli settlers while imposing harsh conditions on Palestinians. While settlements expanded in 2017, Israeli authorities destroyed 381 homes and other property, forcibly displacing 588 people as of November 6, in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as part of discriminatory practices that reject almost all building permit applications submitted by Palestinians

Israel continued to maintain its decade-long effective closure of Gaza, exacerbated by Egypt’s keeping its own border with Gaza largely sealed, and to impose restrictions that limit supply of electricity and water, restrict access to medical care and educational and economic opportunity, and perpetuate poverty. Approximately 70 percent of Gaza’s 1.9 million people rely on humanitarian assistance.

Periodic shutdowns of Gaza’s only power plant, a result of a dispute between Fatah and Hamas over who should pay for fuel needed to operate the plant, and the decision by the Israeli government in June to accede to a PA request to cut the electricity it sells to the PA for use in to Gaza, significantly reduced electricity supply in Gaza, leaving households for stretches with four hours or less of electricity a day. Power outages jeopardize water supply, interfere with sewage treatment, and cripple hospital operations.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
9/2/2019 7:37 pm

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It's amazing to me that you could have lived this long and remain this ignorant.....but it is enlightening as to how Trump gained the.....Lol....apparently you aren't alone....

Your ignorance doesn't get my panties in a wad, but it does get frustrating. You are clearly obsessed with this Alinsky chap......You have his words memorized or close at hand for easy reference and everything seems to remind you of him.....

I have nothing to do with Alinsky or his "rules"......You are the one who compares my every utterance to Alinsky......It is NOT my doing that you make these comparisons, that's all you.........LOL......As far as your God Of The Gaps theory......that also stems from ignorance.......I can't explain it therefore God.......Humans have been inventing gods to explain what they don't understand for our whole history.....The Bible is a rich source of knowledge about how goat-herders in the Middle East explained the nature of reality thousands of years ago.......


starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/2/2019 11:09 pm

Ironically, with the Isreali/Palestinian Wars - Both sides have lost homes - The Israelis will absorb the Jews but the Arab nations will not take in the Palestinian Refugees. Many of them are in refugee camps for decades.

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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
9/2/2019 11:48 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Ironically, with the Isreali/Palestinian Wars - Both sides have lost homes - The Israelis will absorb the Jews but the Arab nations will not take in the Palestinian Refugees. Many of them are in refugee camps for decades.
Amazing you can accuse "Arabs" as wrong-doers for putting people in refugee camps... when your own country is doing exactly the same thing.


starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/3/2019 4:07 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Amazing you can accuse "Arabs" as wrong-doers for putting people in refugee camps... when your own country is doing exactly the same thing.
The people at the USA/Mexican borders are not in "refugee camps." They are in detention camps until their legal status can be determined. They are not in the detention camps for "decades" like the Palestinians are. Once the legal status is determined, they are either released in the United States or returned to their original country. Ironically, it's the Faith organizations that you LOVE to bash that help them get their start in the United States. The dilemma the United States is dealing with that the facilities are overwhelmed and overcrowded because of the number of migrants coming in. This slows down the process but they are not there indefinitely.

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starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/3/2019 4:20 am

Underdogma. it's a blind belief that the underdog is always right no matter what. Since the Palestinian Arabs do a good job at portraying themselves as the underdog even though Israel is only 0.03% of the territory Arabs own, and 0.01% of the Arab population, those who follow underdogma automatically hate Israel out of sympathy for the perceived underdog. Indeed, it was when Arabs decided to start calling themselves Palestinians in the early 1960’s with the PLOs founding in 1964 in Egypt, that's when the perceived balance of power changed. Suddenly, colonialist Arabs who have 300 times the land and still want that tiny speck that is israel now became 1.6 million Palestinians against 6 million Jews. Instant underdog.

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hermitinthecity 70M
1698 posts
9/3/2019 8:28 am

The Arabs, brothers of the Jews through Abraham own 100 times more land than Israel and they still want that little bit also. It was almost a desert when Israel formed in 1948, the Jews transformed it and now everyone wants it, Russia also.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/3/2019 9:08 am

She quotes " ....As far as your God Of The Gaps theory......that also stems from ignorance....."

It turns out that themselves' REAL hero is the one that Alinsky mentions in front of his book.

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.

The paragraph is directly attributed to Alinsky. Carson's implication seems to be that Alinsky speaks favorably about the devil and that makes him toxic for Clinton and the reason for them/ herself's toxicity.


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starwomyn 70F
8875 posts
9/3/2019 9:12 am

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The reason themselves ridicules those who believe in God is that her hero is the one the Alisky mentions at the beginning of this book. SATAN!!!

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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
9/3/2019 11:11 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    The reason themselves ridicules those who believe in God is that her hero is the one the Alisky mentions at the beginning of this book. SATAN!!!


Rentier2 79M
951 posts
9/14/2019 6:24 am

Good point.
I make the same argument for the right of us White Europeans for taking over North America.
White Europeans have had a presence in North America since the 1100's.
That makes us near indigenous, and gives us the same right to take land from others as the Cree, Mohawks et al.