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starwomyn 70F
5258 posts
12/17/2021 6:42 pm

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The F-Word, Firetruck, Let's Go Brandon and the First Amendment

The United States has a Constitutional guarantee of Freedom of Speech. This doesn't give a person the right to shout "FIRE!" in a theater but it does give a person the right to express an opinion that others might deem offensive.

We also have a right to criticize our government officials including the President. Historically, countries like Canada do not have such a luxury. Thus Canadians can look at Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's back side and say, "OH LA LA!!! What an AZZZZZZZZ?! but will get taken to task if they say "!@!#@#!!!! What an AZZZZZZZ?!" Either statement about the QUEEN will get them thrown in the tower.

Much to the amusement of West Virginians. our Governor on national television when he quoted that West Virginians should "Follow the F*CKING Guidelines. Thus when I at a BLM protest, I took a spin off the WV Govenor's quote and used the term, "Enforce the FirtrUCKING LAW" regarding the Civil Rights Acts. It also regards the THlRTEENTH, F0URTEENTH, and FIFTEENTH Amendments of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.

Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. (1971), a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court holding that the First Amendment prevented the conviction of Paul Robert Cohen for the crime of disturbing the peace by wearing a jacket displaying "F*ck the Draft" in the public corridors of a California courthouse.

The Court ultimately found that displaying a mere four-letter word not sufficient justification to allow states to restrict free speech and that free speech can be restricted only under severe circumstances beyond offensiveness. The ruling set a precedent used in future cases concerning the power of states to regulate free speech in order to maintain public civility.

As Justice Harlan said in the decision, "...while the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric"



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starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
12/17/2021 6:48 pm

Realistically young Paul Robert Cohen was angry about the possibility of being drafted into the military and sent to Vietnam. He has a constitutional right to express that sentiment using the "F-Word" thus says the United States Supreme Court.

If folks want to chant "Let's Go Brandon" regarding the doings of President Biden, that is their First Amendment Right. Much worse was said about President Trump.


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MrsJoe 76F
17384 posts
12/18/2021 3:05 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Realistically young Paul Robert Cohen was angry about the possibility of being drafted into the military and sent to Vietnam. He has a constitutional right to express that sentiment using the "F-Word" thus says the United States Supreme Court.

    If folks want to chant "Let's Go Brandon" regarding the doings of President Biden, that is their First Amendment Right. Much worse was said about President Trump.
While "let's go, Brandon" is another way of saying "f*ck Joe Biden", I laugh at the origin of it.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
12/18/2021 6:37 pm

You should do some research before you open your Firetrucking mouth.....Canada does have freedom of speech.....and when we want to say "fuck" we don't pretend we're talking about trucks or race car drivers we just honestly express ourselves......not like Hypocritical Americans who gloat about freedom of speech and are afraid to say the "F' word.......


buddie 82F
905 posts
12/18/2021 9:51 pm

Strange opinion about free speech in Canada. I don't use fuck in every other sentence and the queen or Trudeau's ass are inane subjects to me. Generally, I just choose other words when expressing myself.
I wouldn't cross the street to see either one of them though.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/19/2021 5:35 am

There's a difference between what is legal and what is right.
Although Freedom in it's essence is the right to be wrong..
Laws take away freedoms

You have to say it to mean it....Unless , of course....You never say what you mean.
In your world "firetrucks" don't put out fires they start them.. both you and I have the right to be wrong..But you want to take that freedom away from me... You want to make ME illegal. Firetruck You and Brandon too!


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
12/19/2021 11:01 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You should do some research before you open your Firetrucking mouth.....Canada does have freedom of speech.....and when we want to say "fuck" we don't pretend we're talking about trucks or race car drivers we just honestly express ourselves......not like Hypocritical Americans who gloat about freedom of speech and are afraid to say the "F' word.......
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states that "A United States. Citizen has to right to say the word "F***" if they want to say that word. There are plenty of United States Citizens who do use profanity. It is my personal choice to not use profanity in public. My vocabulary is extensive enough that I don't have to and the United States Constitution does not require me to use profanity. I am certainly not well verses with Canandian politics but according to you - It's mandatory atheism. Historically, you would have been required to join the Church of England.

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starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
12/19/2021 3:25 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    There's a difference between what is legal and what is right.
    Although Freedom in it's essence is the right to be wrong..
    Laws take away freedoms

    You have to say it to mean it....Unless , of course....You never say what you mean.
    In your world "firetrucks" don't put out fires they start them.. both you and I have the right to be wrong..But you want to take that freedom away from me... You want to make ME illegal. Firetruck You and Brandon too!
As usual, you are spouting nonsense but that is your constitutional right.

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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/20/2021 5:49 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    As usual, you are spouting nonsense but that is your constitutional right.
I have no doubt it's nonsense to you..

So as i say.. that I see how wrong it is for Democrats to do what they are doing to Manchin.. How they don't see what they are doing.....
It's just all the same nonsense.

Having the Right doesn't make you right.

You think speaking in code..let's you off the hook?
you think speaking in code..Insulates you from the negativity
You defend other people's right to say it..to ease the burden of you thinking it.

Or is it, just the insider's joke....or blowing a dog whistle

the irony and hypocrisy.. We all say what we mean.. which is our right.. But it seems some don't want everybody to think they mean what the say.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/20/2021 5:56 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    As usual, you are spouting nonsense but that is your constitutional right.
I have no doubt it's nonsense to you..

So as i say.. that I see how wrong it is for Democrats to do what they are doing to Manchin.. How they don't see what they are doing.....How it's just as bad as what they think in bad. but not for them it's their Right..for they are in the right..
Is it just all the same nonsense?
It is to me.

Having the Right doesn't make you right.

You think speaking in code..let's you off the hook?
You think speaking in code..Insulates you from your own negativity about it
You defend other people's right to say it..to ease the burden of you thinking it.

Or is it, just the insider's joke....or blowing a dog whistle

the irony and hypocrisy.. We all say what we mean.. which is our right.. But it seems some don't want everybody to think they mean what the say. Or even know what the f*ck they think.


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
12/20/2021 10:54 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I have no doubt it's nonsense to you..

    So as i say.. that I see how wrong it is for Democrats to do what they are doing to Manchin.. How they don't see what they are doing.....How it's just as bad as what they think in bad. but not for them it's their Right..for they are in the right..
    Is it just all the same nonsense?
    It is to me.

    Having the Right doesn't make you right.

    You think speaking in code..let's you off the hook?
    You think speaking in code..Insulates you from your own negativity about it
    You defend other people's right to say it..to ease the burden of you thinking it.

    Or is it, just the insider's joke....or blowing a dog whistle

    the irony and hypocrisy.. We all say what we mean.. which is our right.. But it seems some don't want everybody to think they mean what the say. Or even know what the f*ck they think.
There is more than one way to say something and that does not equal "speaking in code." There is "knowing" someone in the Biblical sense, making whoopie, banging, humping, screwing, sensual gratification, or f*cking.

There is HeII, the Devil's abode, Hades, Sheol, or a very hot place where bad people go.

Someone can say "WTF!" or Fie, Fie, upon you. In the Friends of Voltaire by Stephen G Tallentyre , it is written, " I disapprove of what you say but I defend your right to say it" This quote is often cited to quote the principle of Freedom of Speech.

And the Supreme Court Justice Harlan said in the decision, "...while the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric"


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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/21/2021 2:58 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    There is more than one way to say something and that does not equal "speaking in code." There is "knowing" someone in the Biblical sense, making whoopie, banging, humping, screwing, sensual gratification, or f*cking.

    There is HeII, the Devil's abode, Hades, Sheol, or a very hot place where bad people go.

    Someone can say "WTF!" or Fie, Fie, upon you. In the Friends of Voltaire by Stephen G Tallentyre , it is written, " I disapprove of what you say but I defend your right to say it" This quote is often cited to quote the principle of Freedom of Speech.

    And the Supreme Court Justice Harlan said in the decision, "...while the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric"

Is the vulgarity in what one's thinks or what one speaks?

We differ in opinions... as I believe ...Fuck Joe Biden.. doesn't have to be vulgar..
but "Let's go Brandon".. is always vulgar.
Of course, you don't see it ...Freedom of Speech. doesn't end with the words.. It ends with what's behind the words. Freedom of speech begins with Truth and ends with dishonesty. Is not a choice other's can make for you.. it's a choice you make for yourself. There is no room for hypocrisy, lies, threats, and crimes, that one can dismiss as freedom of speech..

I am not challenging what you say as not being truthful....I can't know that..
What I do know, by the evidence.. If you are truthful with yourself.. You should know better when others are untruthful.

I have no evidence to believe Manchin is untruthful..the evidence I have is that Democrats who would chastise him, called him names, and insinuate he's a traitor are hypocrites and liars to themselves. Freedom of speech only goes as far as their agreement. And as bad as they are..the can't hold a candle to what some Republicans do to those that disagree with them, led by Trump
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cayman07 79F

12/21/2021 6:03 pm

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starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
12/21/2021 11:37 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Is the vulgarity in what one's thinks or what one speaks?

    We differ in opinions... as I believe ...Fuck Joe Biden.. doesn't have to be vulgar..
    but "Let's go Brandon".. is always vulgar.
    Of course, you don't see it ...Freedom of Speech. doesn't end with the words.. It ends with what's behind the words. Freedom of speech begins with Truth and ends with dishonesty. Is not a choice other's can make for you.. it's a choice you make for yourself. There is no room for hypocrisy, lies, threats, and crimes, that one can dismiss as freedom of speech..

    I am not challenging what you say as not being truthful....I can't know that..
    What I do know, by the evidence.. If you are truthful with yourself.. You should know better when others are untruthful.

    I have no evidence to believe Manchin is untruthful..the evidence I have is that Democrats who would chastise him, called him names, and insinuate he's a traitor are hypocrites and liars to themselves. Freedom of speech only goes as far as their agreement. And as bad as they are..the can't hold a candle to what some Republicans do to those that disagree with them, led by Trump.
nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric"

I am West Virginian and I've been in Manchin's office on several occasions and more recently lobbying with Senator Manchin, Senator Capito, and Congresswoman Miller via zOOm. Joe Manchin is the lone Democrat surrounded by Republicans. He doesn't operate along party lines.

F*ck Biden versus Let's Go Brandon - it doesn't matter. It is all about policy before personality. Biden's claim to fame was the 1994 Crime Bill which incarcerated individuals to long sentences for minor drug offences to fatten the pocket of those who operate private prisons for profit. The First Chance Bill signed into law by Trump released many of these people unfairly incarcerated. This included juveniles and a large percentage of minorities.


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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/22/2021 8:36 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric"

    I am West Virginian and I've been in Manchin's office on several occasions and more recently lobbying with Senator Manchin, Senator Capito, and Congresswoman Miller via zOOm. Joe Manchin is the lone Democrat surrounded by Republicans. He doesn't operate along party lines.

    F*ck Biden versus Let's Go Brandon - it doesn't matter. It is all about policy before personality. Biden's claim to fame was the 1994 Crime Bill which incarcerated individuals to long sentences for minor drug offences to fatten the pocket of those who operate private prisons for profit. The First Chance Bill signed into law by Trump released many of these people unfairly incarcerated. This included juveniles and a large percentage of minorities.
The idea that this is all about policy and not personality..that's reflected in character, honesty and integrity...Is disproved everyday, in every way..

I certainly don't know what the policies are...What our representatives from the President on down actually stand FOR.....

I have a little bit of understanding of democrats and their hyperbole, that places them somewhere in FANTASYLAND

but neither you, nor any Trump Republican has stated what they are FOR..only what they are against....And that those people are in .. NO MAN'S LAND.. of chaos, hypocrisy, and craziness..
They live under the stairs.. that say ...we need to do what they say...but not what they do. Our choice must be their choice.
They understand how they can "Work Democracy", because they understand How democracy can't work.

So I find myself in OZ.. looking for the way home.. I choose to be off the see the wizard in Fantasyland.. than be overcome by the wicked witches in No Man's Land..


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
12/23/2021 8:11 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The idea that this is all about policy and not personality..that's reflected in character, honesty and integrity...Is disproved everyday, in every way..

    I certainly don't know what the policies are...What our representatives from the President on down actually stand FOR.....

    I have a little bit of understanding of democrats and their hyperbole, that places them somewhere in FANTASYLAND

    but neither you, nor any Trump Republican has stated what they are FOR..only what they are against....And that those people are in .. NO MAN'S LAND.. of chaos, hypocrisy, and craziness..
    They live under the stairs.. that say ...we need to do what they say...but not what they do. Our choice must be their choice.
    They understand how they can "Work Democracy", because they understand How democracy can't work.

    So I find myself in OZ.. looking for the way home.. I choose to be off the see the wizard in Fantasyland.. than be overcome by the wicked witches in No Man's Land..
"Broadly speaking, the Democratic Party's vision of government is roughly equivalent to a powerful, nurturing mother figure protecting and caring for the needy and downtrodden. By contrast, the Republican ideal embodies a strong father figure who rewards people for taking responsibility for their own lives and who supports independent initiative. The Democratic "breast-mother" government satisfies the basic human need to be taken care of by a loving, tolerant parent; the Republican father figure fulfills the need to break from parental domination, to have control over one's life and to pursue one's fortune.

Would you throw away the father in favor of the mother or visa versa?@


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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/30/2021 7:34 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    "Broadly speaking, the Democratic Party's vision of government is roughly equivalent to a powerful, nurturing mother figure protecting and caring for the needy and downtrodden. By contrast, the Republican ideal embodies a strong father figure who rewards people for taking responsibility for their own lives and who supports independent initiative. The Democratic "breast-mother" government satisfies the basic human need to be taken care of by a loving, tolerant parent; the Republican father figure fulfills the need to break from parental domination, to have control over one's life and to pursue one's fortune.

    Would you throw away the father in favor of the mother or visa versa?@

That would be true, unless one understands there is a difference between caring and control.

I choose the Mother....

I don't confuse caring with control.

A mother cares more about of the little stuff.. that will eventually, but not guarantee a self- control over the big stuff. A mother duty is far more preventative and less controlling
A father cares less about the little stuff, and far more about "controlling" the big stuff. Usually when it's too late.

who's more likely to tell the kids to brush their teeth....and who's more likely to try and control the dental bills?
A father thinks a "good" kid is just about genetics. Especially his. A "bad" kid is more the mother's responsibility
A mother thinks a "good" kid needs to be helped along.....In spite of the father's genetics., and a "bad" kid is her responsibility