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jiminycricket1 73M
5404 posts
6/15/2018 10:11 am
Ways and Means


It's very important to try and put Trump in some perspective that we all can understand.

I almost always blast him.. because I disagree.. but I am constantly trying to figure out how others don't agree with me..Why it's not obvious..

Their are a couple of common traits s must have with Trump to support him..
First is winning matters, more than anything else.
Results matter.. and how you get those results rarely matters.

Again it's the "Truth of the Lies".....
What we know about Trump.. is that he's not crazy and he's not stupid..yet he lies.
even more than lying there is no perspective in anything he says..In his mind, it's all by design, for the purpose to win and achieve a desire result. That's what he does.
The ideas of right or wrong or truth and lies..doesn't matter to Trump..he'll use ANYTHING to achieve a desire result.

It's becomes an upside down world..
Where the Left only looks at the ways and means , and the right looks at the results.
There is an hypocrisy and irony to both sides... with the idea of the "part" of something and the whole of something.

In Trump's world..."rules are for fools" you the game to win... and if a rule prevents that.. you change the rule. In Trump's world.. any road to victory is a good road. the stuff you have to 'travel' through to get there doesn't matter.
Of course, the Left thinks it does matter, and they become just as hypocritical as the right. Because it only matters, because they want to make it matter. They make it matter to themselves, when it doesn't matter to Trump and his supporters
The Trump effects...brings down the veils.....And what we are seeing is the Left can't live by the rules they are trying to uphold.....The Trump effect has eroded the Left to the same point.. where winning and results are the only thing that matters.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/15/2018 10:30 am

If winning and the results are the only things that matter to you.. Then stand up, and say it

We normally talk about people in our past, and what they did.. as a learning experience...both good and bad....but it hasn't been until recently that we talk of people in past as a justification.

Hillary and Obama.. I honestly can't take it anymore...I don't care, one way or the other about Hillary and Obama, ..they don't matter anymore..You can't use them to justify anything.

So what's the point of it... well, typical Trump.. winning is everything.... and Obama and Hillary are simply tools Trump can USE to win. It can't be more obvious to anybody that he does really care about Obama or Hillary...doesn't care who they are or what they did.. and ALL the people gone from Public service, since Trump took over.. don't matter anymore.. but are all tools for Trump to USE to win.

So what's wrong with believing in Trump.....he says he's a WINNER.. the greatest winner this country ever had....And Unlike his predecessors he proves it everyday....because he has no bounds... and will do ANYTHING to WIN.

Trump has been so good at it.. he's got his opposition believing it too.. and believing if you want to WIN.. It's whatever.. you got to do.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/15/2018 10:57 am

We've missed the boat.. because people won't stand up and say what they mean..

WE can agree that winning and result matter.....then we can discuss a couple of things.. is it worth it to win at all cost?
To define what is winning?.. is it the small daily battle or the war? Is there a side effects of winning by any means possible?.. Is the goal, the result, determined to be something temporary or permanent? if winning is the most important thing that matters.. what comes in second?.... Or that doesn't matter either. as EVERYTHING else comes in second.

These are questions.. we never get to.. that we never get to decide and agree upon
That's the rub.. Trump gets to do it....but WE never get to agree to it.


Rocketship 79F
18531 posts
6/15/2018 11:16 am

Your blog is very interesting! It gave me a good insight into a type of thinking that is becoming prevalent on a smaller scale, in Canada as well.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/15/2018 11:29 am

    Quoting  :

So why do you attack my confusion...let other people decide.. If it's too confusing for you then just let it be. Assume everyone else is just as confused.. your good at assuming.
Now my perspective of it.. Is you're only partly confused.....and you have a problem.. with the part your NOT confused about.

I do analyses things.. maybe more than I should... but again you just proved my entire blog.. about Trump supporters...
You don't care about my confusion..You care just about the part you understand. My confusion is not about straightening it out, It's not about discovery of why it's confusing...You don't ask questions because You DON"T CARE.
But there is an opportunity for you .. TO USE the part that is confusing.. so you can win..
Again, as said before.. You are a weapon of your beliefs. and a servant to them.

It simple maisie, let's both stand up.....You will do what it takes to win....I won't, I know I can't WIN that way.
This is like, so foreign to you.. so confusing and complicated you can't see it...., but my blog is not about me winning...if it was. It wouldn't be so confusing...I don't debate you maisie... because I can't take one side, and in not taking one side..... I can't win.. I open that door, because I don't care about winning.... I only care how I play it. ....I only care if I am HONEST with myself.. and with the knowledge that even if I"m honest myself, some others will always think I'm lying. It has nothing to do with politics.. ET that's way..I can be honest... til I'm blue in face and it won't matter to her. No matter what.. I'm a pretentious, obnoxious, circle talker... you see, when it comes to someone Like ET.. I don't WANT to win... With YOU.. I don't CARE if I win


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/15/2018 12:00 pm

It's interesting the failure of people to understand the basics..

I write on this site a lot.. way too much.. too wordy, too scattered, too unplanned.

What do you think that means?

Believe me... I couldn't do it in my mind... if in my mind, it wasn't honest.. I couldn't keep it all straight in there.

I write what I think...I don't have ulterior motives, agendas....I don't write what I think other people want to hear, I don't write to oppose anybody, but Trump.. my mind doesn't work that way.
I write what I think... i have no other way.. It's just ME...... agreement or disagreement has nothing to do with why I write it..
There are obvious things in the world, if you think about it....and it's in the thoughts of my confusions.. that the only thing.... it can be...... is ME... so believe me.. if you're not confused like me.. then I planned it that way..and I don't Plan.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/15/2018 12:26 pm

My communication skills are lacking because of two factors.

First, is I believe in concept of duality...Truth and lies, Right and wrong, good and bad......My mind doesn't apply them the same as most people do...
I just can't see someone as right and someone as wrong...It doesn't make sense to me... they are both right and they are both wrong.....The perception people have that they are opposing ....and has to be one or the other doesn't make sense to me.. that's because I believe in duality. right or wrong is the same thing
Second thing is words...i don't look at word the same way other people do.. As succinct, finite things.. word to me are ideas.....upon ideas... upon ideas... A word means what the idea means.. the letters themselves have no meaning

So consequently.. when you read me.. I'm never finite and succinct... My words are untethered and open. When I talk of right and wrong.. it's simply a perceptual comparison ..It means nothing in regards to actually being right or wrong.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/15/2018 12:39 pm

    Quoting  :

Well that is a perception, I would tend to agree with...but that's not the point.
Moral are not about results they are about the ways to the results
You are NOT immune, as am I...... to weight your morals against the results. It's what you do all the time...... It's what i do..... There are times that the results outweighs the moral of it.... For YOU and for me .
And for certain , Trump is morally bankrupt, because the results ALWAYS outweighs the moral of it.

But you see... the game we play, whether it be all, weighed, or nothing. is that the results has an effect on morals..... Results Can ultimately become moral....that what Trump tries to tell us.. the morality is in the results... not in the morals.
He gets people to buy into it... because they want to....It best for them to be amoral.. they can always get what they want... the religious hypocrisy of it is amazing.....because "religion' can get what it wants too.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/16/2018 7:28 am

    Quoting  :

I just wrote on leaf blog.. about what you're doing....

Making actions and results..define ideals and morals....It doesn't work for me..no matter which side is doing it..

There is no such thing as "bad' ideals or "bad" morals.. you have them or you don't. You apply them or you don't..

Trump doesn't have them..
and YOU, Well, you're just a HYPOCRITE.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/16/2018 2:33 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I just wrote on leaf blog.. about what you're doing....

    Making actions and results..define ideals and morals....It doesn't work for me..no matter which side is doing it..

    There is no such thing as "bad' ideals or "bad" morals.. you have them or you don't. You apply them or you don't..

    Trump doesn't have them..
    and YOU, Well, you're just a HYPOCRITE.
I don't see Maisie as a hypocrite as much as being stuck in a centrifuge of dismembered labels....It's like she, and others, have replaced thinking with juggling labels and talking points........like this TDS thing......they are using it to excuse and/or cover up Trump's insanity........They are co-dependants in Trump's gaslighting........they are the people who are convinced that the Emperor is wearing a full suit of wonderful clothing and they are calling the ones who see his nakedness the fools.........Not hypocricy, but full-blown cultism......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/16/2018 2:55 pm

Did you watch Trump lying about the parents of the Korean War soldiers? He didn't ease it out, it escaped from his mouth like diarrhoea........no hesitation, no effort.........he said that during his rallies, many, many parents.....thousands of parents came up to me and asked me, begged me, to bring back their son's remains from North Korea.....and I will begin that process....all those thousands of parents will be able to finally put their sons' remains to rest in US soil........

Trump has repeated this in front of cameras several times now........thousands of parents of soldiers who died in the Korean War.......as soon as Trump said those words, I knew it was a lie......as did millions watching.......those thousands of parents would be well over a hundred today.........But Trump doesn't care.....and neither do the cultists who voted for him after he said, in the same diarrhoea, that he saw, with his own eyes, thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11...........the same cultists who see Trump as a hero and repeat, like a mantra, the label TDS while they close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears......TDS..TDS...TDS......It's surreal.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/16/2018 3:03 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Did you watch Trump lying about the parents of the Korean War soldiers? He didn't ease it out, it escaped from his mouth like diarrhoea........no hesitation, no effort.........he said that during his rallies, many, many parents.....thousands of parents came up to me and asked me, begged me, to bring back their son's remains from North Korea.....and I will begin that process....all those thousands of parents will be able to finally put their sons' remains to rest in US soil........

    Trump has repeated this in front of cameras several times now........thousands of parents of soldiers who died in the Korean War.......as soon as Trump said those words, I knew it was a lie......as did millions watching.......those thousands of parents would be well over a hundred today.........But Trump doesn't care.....and neither do the cultists who voted for him after he said, in the same diarrhoea, that he saw, with his own eyes, thousands of Muslims celebrating on 9/11...........the same cultists who see Trump as a hero and repeat, like a mantra, the label TDS while they close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears......TDS..TDS...TDS......It's surreal.....
Those Trump cultists don't recognize that they are the ones who are deranged with Trumpism........they don't see the irony......and then they say that those who see the insanity are the ones who have "Trump living rent-free in their heads"...........They are accepting this madman as sane ..........These people who, who, just a few years ago, were Tea-Party......family values, are now listening to their Governor General using the Bible to justify the torture of children and they are nodding their heads in agreement........whew!!!


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/17/2018 5:47 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I don't see Maisie as a hypocrite as much as being stuck in a centrifuge of dismembered labels....It's like she, and others, have replaced thinking with juggling labels and talking points........like this TDS thing......they are using it to excuse and/or cover up Trump's insanity........They are co-dependants in Trump's gaslighting........they are the people who are convinced that the Emperor is wearing a full suit of wonderful clothing and they are calling the ones who see his nakedness the fools.........Not hypocricy, but full-blown cultism......
When I say hypocrite..It's in the context of of maisie and Trump

Trump has no morals or ideals, except his personal achievements...those are his morals and ideal..the have no basis in humanity.

Maisie is a hypocrite because her actions do not incorporate her morals and ideals. I believe , unlike Trump, she has them.. she's just a hypocrite to them.

I hate the idea of "labels".. they are simply are made up stuff to facilitate an irrational belief, a separation and division of the collective.... From the stand point of the individual to the collective there is only one "label"... we are all HUMAN.

There is no TRUE separation of the human species...from the color of a person skin to the political affiliations.... To be able to see.. One must see it all..To be able to think one must think it all......

So how can i accept, your description of maisie.. It's unacceptable to me...It's by definition..... that maisie can not be a cult of one... and the idea of.....
".Not hypocricy, but full-blown cultism..."
Is the pot calling the kettle black.....


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/17/2018 6:13 am

We would like to think there is some sort of event or magic wand to change people, so as to change an entire "label' all at once....It can't be done....to change an entire "label".....when there is no such thing as a "label"

We do it...one person at a time......and no matter how much we talk, how rational our explanation.. how good our argument.....It comes down to two factors.. to effect the change..

First.. that we see it all. that we think it all.. that we aren't trying to just get them to change their hypocrisy to our own.
Second.. which is much harder.. is to get them to look in the "mirror".. that is to say.. so they don't just see them.......They see themselves... and they see themselves as one of US.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/17/2018 6:42 am

Trump lies... we all know that..

Although that may be enough for Democrats to say he's unfit for office.. It's not enough for Republican to say it... WHY?

We all lie to varying degree., and for different reasons....We don't know what the truth is...We misinterpret.....We lie to benefit ourselves or to protect someone else.
The mere fact Trump lies is not sufficient... We need to know Why he is lying.

I have made my decision.. It's not because he's stupid and doesn't know the truth.
It's not because he's protecting anyone...It's not because he believe it's for the "greater" good..

Trump lies to protect himself.. and to achieves HIS goals, and ONLY his goals

And lies beget lies.. As Republicans Lie to themselves as to the reason WHY.