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jiminycricket1 73M
5404 posts
7/15/2018 10:52 am
The "HOW" of it


I wrote a response to Rich, maisie and Lizst.. about my "confusion", my "debate,. and my irrational opinion..............

"There no debate.. I am not debating it..

There is a WHAT and there is a HOW....that's all I'm saying.. and you think it's a debate.
there is just a WHAT and a HOW.

I say the WHAT doesn't matter to ME.. just the HOW....
But you can't accept that.. You can't understand that...

I believe YOU, maisie and Litzt, understand it all too well....You understand that the HOW....combined with ones integrity and morals.. ..may not get you the WHAT.. You can not accept that...

To me it's clear and concise... To you, the WHAT matters....When to me, just the HOW matters .. We will NEVER see eye to eye about it....but saying you don't understand, or that it's confusing... is just a confirmation...You don't care about the HOW.

When the Bible is ALL about the HOW.... You deny the Bible, by replacing the HOW with the WHAT....It's simply an unbelievable hypocrisy...

If Trump gets you what you want.. then how he does it... doesn't matter to YOU..

You think I'm expressing the right or wrong of it......I am NOT......I am not the one to judge the right or wrong of it... YOU ARE.. IN YOUR OWN MIND....Just don't deny.. the judgement you make.. Just like The WHAT doesn't matter to me.. so it is that WHAT as it applies to the right or wrong of it, doesn't matter.....JUST THE HOW

It's a legitimate human trait to do the wrong thing to get the right result.. I don't deny that......I am not even trying to convince you otherwise..... I am just trying to get you to see it, and accept it..
But you see.. they way i see it.. If WE all do the wrong thing to get our own right results.. Then, overall, we will NEVER get the RIGHT result

You think.. I agree with Leaf about His WHAT and HOW... I do not agree. I fear where his HOW could lead.. I fear Liberals will learn the WRONG lessons... about the HOW ...from YOU folks.. And decide getting what they want is more important.... than the how they "get it"

But here's the rub.. Leaf knows the difference and weighs and accepts.. His wrong HOW.. is worth the results he seeks.... It not a pattern for him.. It a choice. a specific choice of a specific action.....It's not his modus operendi...Like it is with some "folks".

Trump has lived his entire life.. doing the wrong things.. and turning it into HIS right result. It's now ingrained in him.. It's been so successful, Now to the extent nothing else matters. Trump can not see any other door to open..

My fear for Leaf.. and America.. is that WE could become that.. ..Because, It is my belief...When this is all over.... that Leaf's success and support... will breed it's own rightness. That dooming "you folks".. may only doom ourselves.

Let me get specific about the HOW of it......We can easily defeat you folks (it's going happen regardless).. all we have to do is get down and dirty with you.. Like Strzok.. could have, but he didn't, get down and dirty (he probably now regrets that)....... So the What of it, doesn't really matter...It's the HOW of it... if we put it all on the line ..and accept the possibility, like Strzok, that we MAY lose....
But the right result can only happen..... NOT if we get down and dirty......
But if WE RISE above "YOU FOLKS"

And the only thing that REALLY matters is the HOW we do it.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/15/2018 10:55 am

You think I'm making an argument.. or having a debate with "you folks"

I ain't talking just to "you folks".. I talk to everybody..

I have a purpose.. and It not to convince you of anything..

My purpose is for each of you.. to be true to yourself.. then maybe, we can get somewhere..... being true to each other.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/15/2018 11:42 am

"You folks" think I'm crazy.... that you are being successful, that most all agree with you..... that this will continue and other people will see your light..
The fact is... You got a snowball's chance in Hell, of controlling this..
You already got a fork in you. You jus,t don't know it....
Trump will become the personification.. of all that is 'bad' He will be the poster child of "bad behavior". He will be the "devil's child".... When all is said and done.... YOU won't stand up for him.. Nobody will stand up for him.... Your out .. is that you DON'T really stand up for him Now.....You just stand against people... You won't STAND for anything.... So Trump is destined to mind the gates of Hell....

I know it.. Leaf knows it....most rational thinking people know it...

But here's the deal.......and where I differ about their HOW......THEY want to PUNISH YOU for it.
THEY want to teach you a lesson....THEY want to blame YOU....
That's HOW they want it to be done....Take no responsibility, accuse, blame.
and Control others with it......that's the way they want to roll..... to me.. it sounds.. way to familiar....like what's minding the gates of HELL
Again.. that's the HOW of it...


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/16/2018 9:03 am

    Quoting  :

Thank you for responding.

In certain ways..... WE ARE ALL IGNORANT........

Knowing the Truth......denies the undeniable
Not caring what the Truth is.....validates it
Searching for the Truth......corrects it

Our ignorance....can only be corrected by the SEARCH for the truth....It can only be validated with the realization, the search is never ending..
One cannot deny their ignorance by the knowledge of the truth.. only by the SEARCH

Again.. it come down to the WHAT and the HOW
And Again I don't care what the WHAT is... just the HOW

WHAT the TRUTH is... is not important to me.....HOW we go about finding the truth.Is all that matters.... I do not know the TRUTH...I will NEVER know the TRUTH.

But there are somethings I do know......I know I'm human.. I know other people are too.. I know there is a human truth.. and in the scope of things, after thousands of years of evolution, of if you choose "The Creation"... it has very narrow parameters.... Being human.. makes us all equal, makes us all fall within very narrow parameters of human Truth. I have no choice but to trust in those parameters

Yet, if one chooses to view the parameters of human truth., as the ONLY truth.. as the whole truth...and the whole truth only exists within those parameter...That the ONLY truth is in the differences found within the Human truth......
Within those kind of parameters... A judgement of equality can not exist at all.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/16/2018 9:47 am

    Quoting  :

You got to be kidding me!

RECEIVING the TRUTH.

My Gosh.. if it ain't one God.. It's another..

God GIVES you the Truth?
Trump GIVES you the Truth?
Or do you? Leaf.. pass out the truth..... like candy bars on Halloween.

What don't you understand about Searching?

RECEIVING THE TRUTH?..........connotes acceptance of a gift.. connotes someone giving it.. like taking Communion..Who's giving the truth to someone..The truth has and always will be FREE.. Just go get it.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/16/2018 12:15 pm

    Quoting  :

First thing is we have a disagreement....Your talking surface water.. when I'm talking DEEP..

The DEEP is there is NO singular Truth.. I said it.. you just didn't hear it..

THE TRUTH DENIES ITSELF.... It's the way it is..

So WE search for the Truth.....but cannot absolutely find it... It's the journey, that's the truth..not the destination...

The irony of people searching for the Truth...are the ones not ignorant of the Truth..
People who think they know the truth....Stop the journey, and are ignorant of the truth..

You got to be able to see Conservatives different than you do.... Is it wrong that they are MORE self-centered, MORE elitist, and have stopped learning, have stopped searching?... Are you going to fault those HUMAN characteristics.. Here's the irony... You (meaning everybody) has them too......you need to fault yourself before you find a GREATER fault in those things

People once thought the world was flat.....They knew the truth of it... The world was flat....They stopped searching for the Truth.. thinking they knew it..
Those that kept searching .....discovered a truth.. the world isn't flat.....
Now this is where we differ.. You think those that search for the truth discovered the truth....... I don't see it that way....the only thing they discovered. was not what the world was... but, only that it wasn't flat..

So you would conclude. Those people, who are like a Conservatives,, who believed the world was flat... WERE WRONG....
I don't think that .. they weren't wrong....They just thought they KNEW they were Right. It was only in the absolute knowledge they were RIGHT...That made them wrong.

Whether you believe in God or evolution.. doesn't matter.. WE were All created to be right. So everybody is right, and it's not up to Us to judge the rightness of it.
If you don't like where those chips are going to fall.....Tough Luck!..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/16/2018 1:25 pm

Here's... what I think.......I trust the PROCESS...The Human process.. of right and wrong, good and evil, and of compassion and survival... ..... I have NO OTHER CHOICE..... You see it's a "Tough Luck" Choice... Our species created us....We can't create our species. All you can do is accept, what you got to work with.....Try to change it... within the species parameters......Yet, remember those parameter are really narrow in the scope of things. 1000's of years has made it so... Don't confuse reality with fantasy.. Be able to separate what we COULD do... from what we CAN do.

Thousand of Years of PROCESS.... is not going to change in a lifetime.....maybe it's possible in many, many lifetimes.....But i just don't think Humans have enough time to change it.
Cataclysmic events WILL change it.... but we are not there yet.
And who's to say we will survive it.. when it gets here?


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
7/16/2018 3:24 pm

    Quoting  :

Well we do agree that conservatives.. are not in search of the truth.. but in search of a destination... They don't search for the truth... but choose the truth that ONLY fits the destination.....

I keep saying the destination doesn't matter..nobody understands that...

If conservative choose a destination and only find their truths that support the destination.. That doesn't make their truths false.. It makes their destination false..

Again it's the how of it... how you get to the destination....if you give up on the destination....You take the truth you find... one step at time. wherever, that leads you .. so be it.

They constantly want to fit the square peg in the round hole...and when they can't do it.. That round hole becomes a conspiracy against them... So as far, as i'm concerned about their destination.. they can take that square peg.. and shove it where the sun don't shine. That's my round hole conspiracy against their square peg destination.