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Manafort.. What happened..? Well, we all know Manafort pleaded guilty and decided to "cooperate"....Now, I hate that word.. because that's not what Manafort decided to do..Manafort just decided to TELL THE TRUTH.....I don't know what that truth is...but I think it's going to be the truth ...and Let me tell you why.. It's very similar to Cohen.......Manafort and Cohen aren't stupid.. they only will do stupid things... if they think they can get away with it..What Manaford, now knows... he not getting away with it... he's been caught... More importantly what he knows to be the truth means that someday.. Trumps going to get caught too...he knows riding Trump's coattails will NOT get him out of it. For Manafort the idea of a Trump pardon sounded good.....but IF, IF it happened what did it mean? What Manafort realized..because he knows it's based on LIES... what a pardon would do... is very little ....but take him out of one jail.. and put in him another...Because in it's lies... it would become a "life sentence" .. He may not be behind bars but his life would be "jailed". What conclusions people in that position find themselves... is taking the best way for it to be OVER. The funny thing about telling the truth....it dies quicker than Lies..The person telling truth is forgotten as soon as it's told.. Manafort tells the truth and this whole situation with him.. will be sooner forgotten... than if he doesn't tell the truth.......It's his quickest way out...Reduce his sentences as much as possible.. deny a Pardon....and it will be OVER for him.. for the time he's in jail, or when he's not. |
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So what happened to change his mind..... well a lot of things....both specific and directionally..... But the straw that broke the camel's back.... Was when his daughter asked to change her last name! Most of you won't get it....but it was a BFD to Manafort..
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The case was brought by Mueller's team, which is probing potential crimes related to the 2016 election. But Manafort has not been charged with anything related to the campaign. Isn't this the truth also? 🦋 Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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what I find truly amazing is the "joint defense agreement' It's irony, it's purpose, and it's potential results.. 37 Trump associates entered into the agreement.. As each becomes accused, investigated or indicted... It becomes clear to them that the only beneficiary of the agreement is Trump.. who's the only one NOT being accused or investigated or indicted. It's simply a joint defense agreement for Trump defense.. when at this in time Trump is not the one needing to be defended. Now.. when it comes down to it... these co-defense agreement people... get to see something we don't get to see... that is.. what is Trump potential defense and how they fit into it.... As the chips fall.. it becomes evident.....that Trump's defense is on shaky ground.... You enter the agreement thinking Trump is NOT going down ...so as co-defendant you got a better chance.. But when you realize Trump's defense is not going to work, even though he is USING you.... You become a co-defendant who you know...is going to get F**ked.
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Because I generally research something before I type a comment and this case is no exception. If you have some magic genie which can see all, please list those alleged crimes. Just because he is charged because of his business dealings with Russians doesn't men the President was involved. Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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Because I generally research something before I type a comment and this case is no exception. If you have some magic genie which can see all, please list those alleged crimes. Just because he is charged because of his business dealings with Russians doesn't men the President was involved. Fossil This second trial of Manafort WAS NEVER GOING TO Happen. Each trial so far has not been about .. what Mueller knows, has not reveal ANY of the Mueller investigation...This second trial of Manafort.. would let too much of the cat out the bag.. and Mueller's not ready yet.. that trial would have been too perilously close to exactly what the investigation is about. No trial and no information, so far... is about the Mueller investigation... It's Mueller's plan..he indicted the Russians to set the stage. but the "play" has NOT started YET. .....Why do you think Mueller indicted those Russians? He had the "goods" on them... where do you think he got the 'goods'?... He got it from his investigation of collusion....when this come out ... every single Russian he indicted will be tied to a co-conspirator.... Don't you get it?... we don't know exactly what.....Papadopoulos, Flynn, Gates, Cohen, and now Manafort has told Mueller..... What Mueller understands is the lost of impact of dealing with each ones admissions as they come up.. each one them could be attacked for their credibility, each one dismissed, and then forgotten over period of two years. Mueller know this ALL has to come out at once.. Not piecemeal, to be attacked. When this comes out.. it's ALL going down at once. if Mueller has his way.. Trump will have no defense against every single associate he has... and maybe even his son and son in law...When Mueller lets this cat out of the bag... It's going to be OVER. that's HIS PLAN.
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Here's the irony of what I believe to be true... What Mueller knows... he doesn't want the rest of US to know.....and he won't tell US unless he has too.. he understands it too damaging to our country to be Public knowledge.. So ultimately Trump going to have to give up it... and Mueller actually hopes he does so....before Mueller has to "spill the beans" What I believe... if you take what many believe is the worst scenario about this investigation... What I think Muellers knows.... is it's even worse than that....
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The case was brought by Mueller's team, which is probing potential crimes related to the 2016 election. But Manafort has not been charged with anything related to the campaign. Isn't this the truth also? 🦋 Fossil
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Well... you just don't get it.. Nothing from Mueller has leaked.....in fact we don't know a damn thing about what MUELLER has... Mueller, unlike Trump, is not playing this in the court of public opinion.. He's playing it for convictions... he's batting a 1000 so far... and hasn't given up anything on Trump. He hasn't divulged one single thing about his Russian collusion, and obstruction of justice.. tying it to Trump.... that's the PLAN.. Now, maybe your right and Mueller doesn't have anything....to give up. But then again...... YOU"RE AN IDIOT.
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We don't know exactly what Manafort's "cooperation" will mean, but there are many facts that relate him closely to Trump on the one side and Russians on the other.Mueller would not have agreed to this arrangement unless he felt that Manafort has a lot of relevant information to provide. Mueller got all the cards.. but before he plays them.. he going to make sure it's a winning hand.. think about this... what the heck happen to Flynn.. you think he disappeared? No NO NO.. he's in Mueller back pocket. what to you think FLynn has given up? Flynn is going to make Manafort look like small potatoes....and Right Now... we don't even realize that..Flynn exists.. but Flynn is a done deal.. Flynn is the key character in all this.. Flynn ties it all up... the Collusion and the Obstruction.. is all in Flynn court.. the other stuff is just desserts.....How easily we forget what the firing of Comey was all about.. All you do.. is go back to the beginning... Flynn is the first domino...And from the first domino all the other dominoes are falling...... Flynn....has cause this all to happen....he's given up everybody that has already been indicted or convicted..and the dominoes keep falling...And Flynn has disappeared into the TRUTH... Manafort and Cohen.. now want to disappear too.
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I don't need to insult you.. I can't do worse than YOU INSULTING YOURSELF ( but I'll try) Lying to the FISA court?... What fricken planet do you live on? It's like you're reciting facts... from reading MAD magazine. Like lying to the FISA court....I never heard the FISA court say he LIED. So You are saying Comey Lied about Carter Page and got the FISA warrant to surveil Him......So you saying Carter Paige shouldn't have been surveiled.... because Comey LIED? .. What exactly did Comey lie about "The Dossier" WTF wrong with YOU Here's the truth.. the truth can be what you want it to be.. but lies are lies. So although ALL "the dossier" has not been proven to be true... It really doesn't matter... None of it has been PROVEN to be LIE.. and most of it has been proven to be true. Trump has tried to disprove it, and FAILED. He's the president.. and if he could have .. he would have.. You defend the indefensible.....Carter Paige is the same as Trump.. . Yeah that's right... Trump and Paige are scumbags.. and that makes YOU a douchebag.
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You keep proving me right.. over a year ago, we had a discussion about Russian interference and collusion You claimed there was no proof it happened. You wanted to argue it.. I said i wouldn't arguing it.. because it was just a tactic...It's never made a difference to you if Russia interfered.. and when it came down to it.. When I'd win each argument you'd say.. what you just said.. Collusion and Obstruction doesn't matter. that's the argument you wouldn't make then.. because you didn't have to.. but it seems you're going to have to make it now.. So we have reached the final argument....Does collusion and obstruction matter? Most people think it does... But we know about YOU.. is it only matters to YOU....about with what you are colluding and what you are obstructing.. You know.. that is EXACTLY.. what Trump thinks too! Your's and Trump's hypocrisy is amazing.. The conspiracy of the Deep State.. that involves collusion and obstruction of Justice.. seems to be pertinent about the "Deep State" But NOT about "you folks" The collusion and obstruction about Hillary and Obama..seems to be pertinent .. but NOT about "you folks" The collusion and obstruction of the democrats and Liberal... seems to be obvious.. but NOT about "you folks". So what got is that 70% of America is colluding and obstructing the other 30%. That 30% is ALWAYS going to be the victim of collusion and obstruction. That 30% is the victim, which gives them the right to collude and obstruction.. so for them.... it's not REALLY collusion and obstruction.. It's fighting collusion and obstruction..with collusion and obstruction..... Can someone say Amen to Amoral?
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Also... A lie is only a lie..... depending on what you're lying about... Can anyone say "Amen" to Amoral...... AMEN!
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Yes .. Maisie... YOU ARE AMORAL...just like Trump.. What you both see is that Moral dilemmas... are for the weak. So I'm giving up......to try and explain anything or argue anything to you..... that will appeal to your better half.. BECAUSE .. by Definition, YOU DON"T HAVE A BETTER HALF....
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Let me straighten you out.. The dossier.. doesn't matter.. It may be part of the beginning.. but now it's the tail end.. Nobody but the Right, talks about the dossier.. And the Right is chasing their tail end "The Dossier"... Wasn't needed for the surveillance. Carter Page ...his history and contacts was all that was needed ."The dossier" did not cause the FISA warrant to be issued.. The dossier simply was just another reason.. why there needed to be FURTHER INVESTIGATION The Dossier... was explained fully to the FISA court... If you don't believe me read the fricken FISA document.. Now what YOU do believe is the bill of goods sold by NUNEZ. What you don't believe is it's ALL been PROVEN FALSE. Everything you have said is just Trump regurgitation, and everything Trump Nunez said was a Lie. You believe what you want to believe.. all evidence to the contrary. But you can only get away with "the sky is falling" for only so long.. there's only about five people here who believe what you say anymore.
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I just read and re-read your comments above, Jiminy. You are showing more than just symptoms of TDS - you literally are TDS. Jiminy Logic in a nutshell is clearly a plea for help. Your comments to Maisie in particular are disturbing and you should seek professional help. Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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9/16/2018 3:16 pm |
Jiminy, they really don't get it. Sean Hannity has convinced them that this can be tried in the court of public opinion ... Mueller isn't even slightly concerned with public opinion. Mueller isn't talking and why should he? He's the one with the hammer. All you need to know is this is about getting a fraud out of the White House. One crime works as well as the next. .. 
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I'm sure you have heard the phrase often too. 🤣😂 Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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I just read and re-read your comments above, Jiminy. You are showing more than just symptoms of TDS - you literally are TDS. Jiminy Logic in a nutshell is clearly a plea for help. Your comments to Maisie in particular are disturbing and you should seek professional help. Fossil We almost all have it..the angle and the devil on each shoulder telling us what to do. I don't question the final decision that each person makes..We each have our own particular struggles to go though.. that makes that decision.... Although I do not question the final decision.. I do question the struggle, one must struggle with, before I will accept it. Although I call one's morals their better half.. It's not greater than the entirety of their decision making... It's takes a lot for me to decide that some people .. never struggle with it....their "better half" doesn't exist.. Like... I said to maisie... "So I'm giving up......to try and explain anything or argue anything to you..... that will appeal to your better half.." maisie doesn't challenge me on the issues....She challenges me on my morals. I CAN"T ACCEPT THAT...From someone who has NO MORALS. It's just illogical for me to accept "moral weakness" as having morals....When I believe it is just the opposite..."moral weakness" is lacking morals.
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I just read and re-read your comments above, Jiminy. You are showing more than just symptoms of TDS - you literally are TDS. Jiminy Logic in a nutshell is clearly a plea for help. Your comments to Maisie in particular are disturbing and you should seek professional help. Fossil for example.. I read it pretty much as true.. except for the seeking professional help part... My Trump Derangement Syndrome... ..Is something you can't understand...It's totally NON-POLITICAL.. I don't have an agenda, from a party politics standpoint. So it's goes way beyond what you consider TDS.... Again with the irony...."my" Trump derangement syndrome... is less about Trump and more about 'YOUR" Trump derangement syndrome. The Republican/Conservative "moral party' is gone.. It's a joke ...and my derangement syndrome is not about that change... It's about the fact... I am NOW confronted with the realization.....IT"S ALWAYS BEEN A JOKE
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Jiminy, you should have been a lawyer. Nobody understands what they write either. Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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Jiminy, you should have been a lawyer. Nobody understands what they write either. Fossil I understand the WHAT... but you don't care about the HOW... The WHAT, to you, is the only thing that matters... I'm just the opposite.....I don't care about the What.. I care about the HOW. If the HOW is done right... the WHAT will take care of itself..
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all I know is you're an IDIOT.. You don't get it.. You accept the Truth of Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, Gates and the others, NOW, because it doesn't tie with Trump... But a smart prosecutor understands once you accept the truth of Flynn, Manafort, Cohen and Gates along with others... You're stuck.. because when he ties it together.. and implicates Trump... Your going to have to reverse that.. and say they were lying the whole time......I'll give it four months... So what are going say when it ALL comes out.. When everything Mueller has done... ties up the package of the Trump Administration about...... Collusion, Obstruction, Campaign finance , Laundering Russian Money... and Quid Pro Quo..... It's all going to be tied together and YOU are not going to be able to untie it.. What are going to say then?... It's ALL a lie...Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, Gates and other are all a LIE..... that's what your going to have to do.. because any of the truth will be ENOUGH TRUTH..
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It's important to try understand what Mueller is doing.... this isn't a shot gun investigation... It's specific... Mueller is putting a puzzle together.. Each conviction and indictment is a piece of that puzzle.....You may now believe that the pieces don't fit...but Mueller knows they do.. and that's what Mueller wants you to think. they don't fit ..until they DO. It's unlikely any of those people would have been caught... if they didn't fit in to the picture, That why Mueller hunted those people down. It's not as simple as JUST tying them to Trump ....The pieces fit together between each other..They are NOT lone wolves....Everyone of them has something to do with each other....When the final piece is put in.. each one of them will also have something to do with Trump He's putting together a "big picture" with little parts...The final piece doesn't go in the picture , until the end. The peripheral pieces need all to be 'set" before the final piece exposes the "Big Picture".
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