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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
10/20/2018 5:33 am
The Human Agreement


This is not a Political blog. in the normal sense.. It has No Right or Wrong or Right and Left.. It's about what I see happening.. that's NOT political.

My definition of the Human Agreement is more far reaching than what you would assume it to mean.
From the beginning of man, a human agreement developed... It primary development was about survival.. and then it began adding other things.

For Christians about 2000 year ago, and other religions sooner or later....it added the NEW primary criteria..... At those times the situation changed. The knowledge and development of humans as the primary species.. in which survival was not the primary function of the having the agreement.. It became societal....to bring order to the human chaos.....establish norms...standards of thing such a truth and value. the premise on which we agree to run a society.... governments were established and laws developed to enforce the agreement.. Those who chose to live outside agreement, were punished. and In any way possible, and removed from society.

People had disagreements and arguments about the human agreement.. but all of those were in the emphasis and the degrees.. The basic human agreement stayed in tact.. the basic human agreement was enforced.

The situation in the world has changed again.....survival and other things has reared it's head..Survival of the individual, the family, the country, and the planet...and we are now challenging the those basic human agreement... We are now confronted with our own limitations and instead of being the Primary species on the planet.... things such as global warming, over populations, limited resources and equality of life.... are changing our human agreement.....

There is NO right or wrong of it.. there is No truth or lie of it, and there is no Politics of it..

It's a process. that if we are able to survival will take 100's of years


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/20/2018 6:43 am

I need to give you an example to try help you understand what I mean....about the current basic human agreement..

Wealth... what is it? what does it mean? How does our basic human agreement define it, control it, and give it purpose.

The individual definition of wealth has morphed from, having everything you need to including everything you want now and in the future
One of the basic human agreements about wealth is ownership.. In reality .. You can't "OWN" anything... but we agree you can.. We agree that the right of ownership is essential to establish an order..So We establish laws protecting ownership.
It's just an agreement... you own it, because we allow you to own it.. the idea of ownership was developed to prevent chaos, establish norms, motivate, and protect.
Money...Well money is not real.. it's a human agreement.. to establish commerce. and trade..... Not to determine wealth.. Wealth is not commerce and trade. Gold only has value.. because we agree it has value.... that's greater than it's innate value. Gold is wealth, over valued and over stated
The change of the meaning of wealth.. is it means power, control, security, influence and prestige and that wealth is a preferred inequality..... None of those things, as they apply to wealth, are real.. they are just an AGREEMENT, that for most part, allows itself to plays upon the human negatives of that agreement

The agreement we have about wealth and ownership is going to change....I have NO idea..What that change is going to be...I just know the human agreement about that.. is going to change.
Everything is going to changed.
For 2000 years we have developed a Human Agreement society definitions. those definitions in this changing world.... no longer apply....the same way they have for 2000 years... Some people are pissed about that..That's okay, stay pissed because in your lifetime... you will never see it's resolution.. No one living on this planet, Today, will see it's resolution.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/20/2018 7:41 am

    Quoting  :

No that's not what I am trying to say..
Yes, you are one of the pissed.. Seeing Armageddon in what I say...That's what motivates you to disagreement
We have been going through a process, based on a human agreement.. That in my opinion is not longer sustainable... It doesn't intend to say anything about the right or wrong of it..or the end result of it

I have NO CLUE what it's going to be...but I am confident in the adaptability of the human species.. if it's allowed to happen......You can try to keep it all going, but I don't see that in the cards....
You don't see it either.. that's why.. you're pissed, that's why it's imperative you fight against the change.. that's why it's essential you maintain the current definitions.
You are defined, as I am, by our current societal norms... And you want everyone else, now and in the future to be defined in the same manner...
My belief is that......that just can't happen
I have sense of "duality"..it's against the ideas of absolutes and opposites...of right or wrong, truth and lies, and good and evil, they are agreements also.... each forms a continuous line.. Our agreement is only about where we place ourselves on that line. What i see happening with that agreement is it's moving along the line.. It's motivation, reverts back to the original premise of the Human Agreement SURVIVAL.
Is it possible that you could envision this planet staying in it's current state.. that it's Us against the world..That OUR "Republic" will not change in the next two hundred years..That this entire planet's political, ecological, and governing ideologies will be maintained?
When the truth is there can BE no Winners and Losers...We either ALL win or we all perish.. That is the essence of the problem of our country and our planet. And never in human history has it been more likely scenario

So my warning is just the opposite of your idea of my doom and gloom,, because my doom and gloom is about maintaining the "old" human agreements..
To me YOU are the purveyor of Doom and Gloom..... In not wanting it to change so YOU can be the WINNER and the hell with everyone else..

And while we still maintain Our GOD"S country and not our God's planet....Let me pray to HIM...
Forgive her... 'for she know not what she does"


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/20/2018 8:26 am

    Quoting  :

I know you can't see it.. It's WAY too far into the future..When you can barely see tomorrow.. I give no solution for today.. I don't know what he we should.do. but fighting each other is not the answer. hating each other is not the answer
so tell me, if you know... where does that come from.. where does the fighting and hate come from? Now your fighting and hating may get you power, ideological preference, and control...but, NOW that just small potatoes.. because in the future those same ideas.. aren't going to be a matter of preference .. they are going to be a matter of survival. And if that happens the HUMAN AGREEMENT goes does the fricken tubes. And is substituted with CHAOS and DESTRUCTION

Now the funny thing about getting old, from my perspective, is how much closer the "future" get.....For many of Us our future has come and gone... We can see how quickly it happen.. how time is lost as our future.. and time and our future become just a memory.

So tell me.. what does all the fighting and hate get you...what has benefited you from all the fighting and hating...You should know it's effect on the future.. Like wealth you can't take with you.. has fighting and hating been able to get you wealth? You should know because YOUR memory is OUR future.


Rocketship 80F
18587 posts
10/20/2018 10:56 am

-- an interesting concept and discussion~~


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/21/2018 6:29 am

WE have been the luckiest of all generations......
At the beginning the human agreement was about survival.. Was not really a choice. It was a necessity.
that agreement was easy, because there were no choices. Life was the choice. What we did, we did to survive.
When the human agreement became societal.. It may have become more restrictive....but in reality, within the parameters of the agreement there was CHOICE and FREEDOM... Giving the individual the freedom of choice, to best define their own life. you could decide on politics, on wealth, on family, on occupation, on travel, on compassion, empathy, greed, power and control....... all individualistic, all choices..

Well, it's going to come full circle.....The human agreement about survival in the future.. is going to take away choices, take away individual freedom. The people in future won't know it.. They will make limited choices based on a narrowing parameter. Parameter, that are a necessity... Parameter that will eliminate choice. People of the future won't think about it..Once accepted, there is no reason to think about it.
The Human agreement, itself, will no longer be a choice.
If we continue on, with current choices of the human agreement......WE will not survive.

Think of an ant farm or a bee hive.....and it's societal structure, it's individuals.
That have accepted societal structure... that is 100% about survival. in fact all living things have a societal structure that is about survival. The individual don't question it....Only Humans question it....We have been given that choice, as the primary species..on this planet.
Why is that?
Well the ants and bees, understand LIFE better than HUMANS...and always conform to that understanding....
LIFE IS IT'S OWN REWARD.
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/21/2018 7:58 am

Simply.. the most outrageous..of the current Human agreements.....Is the idea .. that there is such a thing as "Quality of LIFE"....It's a fantasy, a made up human condition.. it's a mind game...that doesn't exist...The HAVE's and The HAVE NOT'S.....are bogus.
You either HAVE LIFE or you don't.. YOU either LIVE LIFE or you don't.....The Quality of your LIFE...is not measured.. in WHAT you HAVE.....It's measured in WHAT YOU ARE..
Don't be fooled that OTHER"S can measure it for YOU... or you can measure others....only you can measure yourself..
The irony is that even if you choose to measure..YOU LOSE