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jiminycricket1 74M
5533 posts
10/22/2018 9:26 am
Caravans


Our country is being invaded... A collusion and conspiracy of the Democrats.. that has designed and promoted a caravan of 2000 Honduran to attack our Southern border. Right before the midterm elections...WTF's wrong with you people? ...Don't you have fricken brain?

A simple distraction.....That laws already on the books can't take care of, that the current border patrol can't take care....Well, legally they have hard time taking care of them...but illegally? turning them away......WTF's wrong with YOU PEOPLE?

A distraction so you don't realize.. The caravan that's invading the White House.....Is headed by a bunch of Princely 'Camel Jockeys"..... That the march to America, the invasion of Russian Horde.. and our Prussianization.. WTF's wrong with YOU People?

Yeah, Trump's NOT going to let the Democrats get away with that.....He'll reverse it on them for the election..... Get, "real Americans" to see that conspiracy and collusion of the Democrats with 2000 Hondurans..Marching, 1,620 miles to force... 'open borders'.. by criminals, drugs dealers, and human traffickers...... then hiding them out in "sanctuary cities".... WTF's wrong with "You People"

Calling up the National Guard , and the ARMY .....the whole bunch.. to stop 2000, unarmed, walking people. With women and from crossing the border? WTF's wrong with YOU PEOPLE?

The man LIES....Pure and simple LIES.... Just because somehow, some way you think he's good at it...it doesn't change the fact it's a LIE... WTF's wrong with "YOU PEOPLE?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/22/2018 9:50 am

You people think of the "timing" of sexual assault..during the Kavanaugh confirmation and what it means..

But the timing of this Caravan.....you got be fricken kidding me...

Trump does have a method..... Like with Obamacare.... say how bad it is.. then prove it... by making it bad...
When things "work out" for Trump.......Ask him... he will tell You.. He's not that lucky...If it "works out" for him.... HE made it happen.

These people are going to arrive just before the election.. That unless Trump shoots them all...He thinks it's going 'work out" nice for him.... Carry the news day, distract from the real issues, Like his collusion with Prince Mohammed to KILL people..or Russia's continuing interference with THIS ELECTION, or voter suppression... or even changing the ballots... Don't put it pass the Man.. He's a winner and he'll do whatever it takes to WIN....Now, we Know the real reason people support him.. He does what they wish THEY could do..

Don't You know... HE makes it happen?... WTF's wrong with "YOU PEOPLE"
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/22/2018 2:23 pm

    Quoting  :

Heartbreaking.. yes.....if you happen to be a compassionate and empathizing human being..

So heartbreaking, as much as I agree, doesn't cover all the bases..

What about those who aren't compassionate and do not empathize?..
So that's the problem with Liberals......they want to change the stripes on the Zebra. They want people to be who they not..They think their way of compassionate and empathy must be the only way

Well MY answer to "YOU FOLKS".. Is that actions of the Trump administration are outrageous, bordering on illegal. That the laws already exist to take care of it.. but the outrageous actions are not designed to take care of problem.. but to change the LAW, by using HATE and FEAR.. That you can't politicize everything.. Some things go beyond politics.. There's are differences between not giving in to those people... and wanting to PUNISH and USE them, and those that support them.

So for those who can't understand.. who lack compassion and can't empathize..
I will give you that Right... not to...

I don't give you the Right.. to substitute compassion and empathy with ..
HATE and FEAR.... For those who do not hate you....For those who aren't taking anything away from you... for those looking for a better life.....for those who are willing to ask, and are willing to sacrifice..So don't hate them.. Don't give in to them either...but when your choice is to PUNISH them, and to USE them...You are choosing to become HATEFUL.

Now Trump got elected because of hate and fear...Trump is the mastermind user of hate and fear... His use of Hate and Fear, has no bounds, has no friends... All Trump ever does is tell "YOU folks"is who to hate and fear,, and who NOT to hate and fear... that's how he uses it...It's NEVER ENDING....

Don't hate and fear Russians, hate and fear the Russian Investigation and the Institution doing it...
Don't hate and fear the Saudi's, hate and fear the Iranians....
Don't hate and fear Republicans, hate and fear Democrats.
Don't hate and fear FOX NEWS,, hate and fear the LIBERAL media..
Don't hate and fear all immigrant.. just hate those from "shithole" countries

In time... he will USE IT against YOU.....And "YOU Folks" go along with it..
WTF's wrong with YOU?


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
10/22/2018 3:03 pm

There is no need to hate and fear anyone. I don't mind immigrants coming in so long as they legally and don't bring their high crime rate with them.

Abracadabra


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
10/22/2018 6:45 pm

These people could come in legally under the Special Agricultural Worker (SAW) act and eventually become permanent legal residents. They would not qualify for EBT or Medicaid until they became permanent legal residents at which point they have to verify five years of employment to qualify. If they claim Asylum and get refuge status. They qualify for FULL Benefits. They can bypass the Immigrants who busted their azzzzzes and took the steps to get here legally.

The Special Agricultural Worker (SAW) provisions are contained in section 210 of the Act. This section of law provided a means for certain agricultural workers to attain temporary residence then later automatic adjustment to permanent
residence.


Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 5:54 am

    Quoting  :

I actually tried to explain to bijou.. that being compassionate...is not the whole answer.
That there are many significant issues of those people crossing the border. that need to be dealt with. You've mentioned a few..

You refuse to understand my view of your "HOW" of it...The hyperbole that begins with labeling... Labeling them ALL....
We have ways to weed out those that conform to your labeling
But your " HOW" is not about doing that.. Your labeling is too dismiss them all..

"Invasion" and "criminals"... are not defining some.. it is defining ALL. It is the use of those fear words.. to instill Hate
And so it is that you are racist, and elitist.
Your "How" and Your labeling, makes it so. It's what racists do...

Don't let them in, don't have compassion and empathy....That's Okay..I won't fight you about it. The fight against YOU.. Is not about letting in them in, or not letting them in...Which is what you want it to be.. It a fight against you, because of HOW you treat them..Not as immigrants.. but as human beings. The same can be said of any other kind of racist
But the way you and Trump go about doing it. Is outrageous, politically motivated,
overall agenda enhancing... outcome oriented...and uses hate and fear..In reality what it tells me... that you and Trump don't really care or believe what you say about those people...Just about how you can USE THEM.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 6:23 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    There is no need to hate and fear anyone. I don't mind immigrants coming in so long as they legally and don't bring their high crime rate with them.
Do you believe that anyone who opposes your view.. has said ..just open the borders and let them In....NOBODY has said that.. Is it wrong that people should say those people should be treated with dignity.. We NEED to treat them with dignity....Not because of who they are.....But because that's who we are..
.I don't disagree with your statement.. do disagree with mine?

That's okay.. you've been compliantly brainwashed...Again the "HOW"... of unsubstantiated accusations based on a part and not the whole.....and again labeling..

"their high crime rate"

Most racists,, think before the talk.. they filter out their truer meaning to go with a more acceptable meaning.
So the only way to figure them out.. is to catch them off guard.

So you statement has four words.... and "crime rate" is the least of it.. and "their high" becomes the most.. the "high crime rate of THEM"...that tries to separates THEM from the rest of us. It both diminishes their dignity and ours.

People write like they think......so "their high crime rate" shows 'How" you think.
So unless you take back that usage.. Where you once you were able to fool me..You'll NEVER fool me again.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 7:17 am

Donald Trump, our president, the most amazing "snake oil salesman", in our history.

How is it possible not to see what Trump and his Republican cohorts do..

There are two ways, they go about doing it.

First ...to create or enhance a problem....to distract from "other" problems.

Second, to create or enhance a problem....To control and correct some "other" specific agenda problem they want to install.

He's doing it with this "invasion" .. Enhancing the problem, for both reasons..First to side track from the midterm elections, and "other" problems he has.. And second, to allow his immigration "reform" to gain steam...to build a wall?
Not really.. he could do that without this problem...
The goal is immigration reform to current laws.. to further control immigration.. Primarily "legal immigration". Because controlling "illegal" immigration, like "building a wall" doesn't really need this problem to solve it.

As a method....First you can't believe what Donald says, and you can't believe what some Republican say......
For example.....The deficit....Once was the biggest problem, and then not so big.. when they wanted to pass tax cuts that increased it..
But that's not the whole story.........In spite of what they say....the deficit will again become the biggest problem, and it will justify reducing the burden of Social security, medicare and medicaid. It won't happen all at once...they may be conniving, but they are not stupid.. It will be whittled away.. so most people won't notice it.. Until it's too late...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 8:14 am

Republicans talk about healthcare reform....Like they want to do it..
the talk about Obamacare, and how it doesn't solve the healthcare problem. that they could do it better..

My gosh you people are just STUPID.

The issue has NOTHING to do with healthcare, as far as Republicans are concerned.
It's the idea of the GOVERNMENT solving ANY problem, that smells socialist, works against everything THEY" are trying to do. In reality.. They blame EVERY entitlement program for the economics ills of this country... Solving the deficit, solving healthcare, solving poverty, solving education, solving income inequality solving racial issues, gender issues, and regulation issues...All to them "reek" of socialism..
Their goal is to NOT solve any of those issues through government spending

Healthcare is not about healthcare it's about GOVERNMENT "SOCIALISM".

They do have ONE great fear......It's NOT that they can't stop it.....It's that it could be made to WORK.

So their single greatest issue is social security and medicare.... It's been made to WORK..beyond most people imagination..
The goal of Republicans is not to promote the best of social legislation this country has EVER DONE... but to PROVE it doesn't WORK...by any and all means necessary.....
Please don't be Stupid..... Social security and Medicare is worth every dime, every deficit.. that not because I'm getting it.. It because My parents got it, and how that "saved me".., it's because it allow communities to survive..It's because it the single greatest economic stimulus this country has known.. It's because it promotes dignity and worth and values....
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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 9:02 am

So how are they going to do it...
Well, the same way they do it with healthcare..Why you should YOU pay for someone else,, for something You don't need.. Convince people that OUR dollars and their dollars are going to someone else.... The poor, the sick, the old....who didn't take care of themselves... who are only taking advantage of YOU..

It's an easy argument to make,, especially to those who aren't poor, or sick , or old...
For those people, and their mind set.. they buy into it.. hook, line and sinker.

Most of them think.. they will NEVER be poor,
Most of think... they will never get sick
Most of them think they'll get old.. but if they make it that far... they'll worry about it, when they get there, it's a long ways off.. and they got time.. To figure it out for themselves.... but what we know here at SFF.....is that time is not on your side..And for most people their best laid plans.. don't work out.

So the way.. Republican figure to get it done.. Is to play into people idea about why care about "OTHERS"? Care about your self, your obligation is to yourself..Do it for yourself.. Don't expect someone else, to do it for YOU

The problem with that...is each ONE of US, Will ALWAYS become ONE of those "OTHERS"


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 9:35 am

    Quoting  :

I truly am grateful for Your concern of my mental health...

Yes, I am paranoid....because I think some people are stupid, and hope it's not the majority
Yes, I am angry.. that some people think it's okay to be stupid.

You see, my world is being shattered.. because I never thought ANYBODY could be STUPID... allow themselves to be Stupid...and think being Stupid was a good thing.
You, The Professor and Tailgunner, a misnomer....always seem to prove me right.

And those voices in my head.. do speak to me...and I wonder why those same voices don't speak to the Stupid people.

Honestly. I don't know the answers, I just know I'm asking the right questions...Those voices.. don't give me "The Answers"... maybe they give them to you?

And yes those voice are telling me....."You Folks" make me paranoid and angry.
Do YOU have any answers for me?

Well let me give you my answer to your question...

You, Like Trump, when you come across a LIAR....You can just assume the opposite of what they say is true..
YEP.. NO COLLUSION.........So forgive me,, but you're dumber than a door post. But I wouldn't consider YOU to be mentally ill....more like a disability...Mentally challenged


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
10/23/2018 1:11 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Do you believe that anyone who opposes your view.. has said ..just open the borders and let them In....NOBODY has said that.. Is it wrong that people should say those people should be treated with dignity.. We NEED to treat them with dignity....Not because of who they are.....But because that's who we are..
    .I don't disagree with your statement.. do disagree with mine?

    That's okay.. you've been compliantly brainwashed...Again the "HOW"... of unsubstantiated accusations based on a part and not the whole.....and again labeling..

    "their high crime rate"

    Most racists,, think before the talk.. they filter out their truer meaning to go with a more acceptable meaning.
    So the only way to figure them out.. is to catch them off guard.

    So you statement has four words.... and "crime rate" is the least of it.. and "their high" becomes the most.. the "high crime rate of THEM"...that tries to separates THEM from the rest of us. It both diminishes their dignity and ours.

    People write like they think......so "their high crime rate" shows 'How" you think.
    So unless you take back that usage.. Where you once you were able to fool me..You'll NEVER fool me again.
I am only talking about my experience. I've lived in neighborhoods with high Hispanic populations legal or otherwise. There were violent fights, my apartment was burglarized and my sons couldn't play in the park because it wasn't safe. I know many hardworking Hispanics but they come in legally through the SAW program, learn English, and encourage their children to do better. The immigrants that come in illegally or badger their way in like the current group is trying to do will bring their problems with them and it becomes our problem. Take that race card and shove it.

Abracadabra


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/23/2018 2:27 pm

Trump sows hatred and division.....That's what he has always done, way before he became president....He lies as a way to accomplish that.

Lately. he has increased not only the frequency of the lies, but also seems to have lost any control he may have had to limit the lies and their possible veracity. He has apparently has lost all control, intoxicated by the approving noises made by the crowds as he stands at the podium.

There are Middle Eastern terrorists in the caravan of asylum seekers......Non-citizens are allowed to vote in California and Californians are rioting against Sanctuary Cities..........Democrats blocked the Opioid Crisis bill.......on and on........


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 3:15 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I am only talking about my experience. I've lived in neighborhoods with high Hispanic populations legal or otherwise. There were violent fights, my apartment was burglarized and my sons couldn't play in the park because it wasn't safe. I know many hardworking Hispanics but they come in legally through the SAW program, learn English, and encourage their children to do better. The immigrants that come in illegally or badger their way in like the current group is trying to do will bring their problems with them and it becomes our problem. Take that race card and shove it.
You give me no choice... I don't call you a racist..... I say you do it, how racist people do it...
I'm not playing the race card.......You either do it or you don't..

This response... is what "hiding" racist would.. It sounds good.... But still you are identifying a race....and separating legals from illegals...like you check their status, with every crime.. I doubt it.. You are making a biased assumption. Like the "ones" I know are okay.. it's those "other' ones... like you know who is illegal. It's just a LIE...

I guarantee you... most ''illegals' are more afraid of YOU.. than you are of them..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/23/2018 3:36 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Trump sows hatred and division.....That's what he has always done, way before he became president....He lies as a way to accomplish that.

    Lately. he has increased not only the frequency of the lies, but also seems to have lost any control he may have had to limit the lies and their possible veracity. He has apparently has lost all control, intoxicated by the approving noises made by the crowds as he stands at the podium.

    There are Middle Eastern terrorists in the caravan of asylum seekers......Non-citizens are allowed to vote in California and Californians are rioting against Sanctuary Cities..........Democrats blocked the Opioid Crisis bill.......on and on........
I see it, in the political ads too... Trump has created a lie believing society...

Just like your examples....I hear them and dismiss those things as Lies...
But those lying is really NOT my issue.. explaining the lies is no longer my goal......What kind of mind, can believe those things?... Who are these Lies playing to. If you ever find out how that kind of mind works , please tell me... but until then..Those Lies will continue....
It's simple....Lies only will work, if there is someone to believe them.. When no one believes a lie.. Lies aren't told......
So the blame goes to the believer, not the teller.
I challenge those people here....not about a specific Lie...but about All the Lies.
if they can believe ALL those LIES....They can give Trump permission to do ANYTHING, all he has to do is Lie about it..
Trump supporters are programmable idiots. They are children, who for a piece of candy.. will get into a "strange" persons car..


LeafReport 73M

10/23/2018 7:39 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    There is no need to hate and fear anyone. I don't mind immigrants coming in so long as they legally and don't bring their high crime rate with them.
Legal immigration is one thing everyone prefers....but desperate women and children fleeing violence and running for their lives...America is plenty capable of being that sanctuary....these people are barely a blip on the radar. The hate for them are a terrible stain that can be seen around the world.


Rentier2 79M
951 posts
10/24/2018 8:22 am

    Quoting  :

We'll take them.

Canada has the same problem as Japan.
Too many old people.

We need young immigrants to staff our retirement homes and to contribute to the Canada pension plan so we boomers can continue to live comfortable lives paid for by the working class.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/24/2018 1:47 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I see it, in the political ads too... Trump has created a lie believing society...

    Just like your examples....I hear them and dismiss those things as Lies...
    But those lying is really NOT my issue.. explaining the lies is no longer my goal......What kind of mind, can believe those things?... Who are these Lies playing to. If you ever find out how that kind of mind works , please tell me... but until then..Those Lies will continue....
    It's simple....Lies only will work, if there is someone to believe them.. When no one believes a lie.. Lies aren't told......
    So the blame goes to the believer, not the teller.
    I challenge those people here....not about a specific Lie...but about All the Lies.
    if they can believe ALL those LIES....They can give Trump permission to do ANYTHING, all he has to do is Lie about it..
    Trump supporters are programmable idiots. They are children, who for a piece of candy.. will get into a "strange" persons car..
In one of his books on the Hitler phenomena that my father fought against in his youth.....to no avail, there were many political cartoons in German newspapers warning the populace against supporting Hitler. There was one that Would apply to the Trump phenomena as well.......It was of a man whose head was wrapped in newspapers, preventing him from seeing, hearing or speaking the truth. His faculties having been neutered by propaganda.........

Trump's lies and the passing on of the lies by Fox and far-Right sites, is propaganda........The ant-media vitriol that Trump has perpetrated follows the pattern of dictatorship.......and it's escalating.......Trump praising violence against a reporter who was only doing his job, asking a candidate about his health-care policies.......A politician convicted of criminal assault......made a hero by the president.....and the slaughter of a reporter diminished in favour of an arms deal.........What is the next level Trump is heading for...?....His favourite book after the Bible and his own book, is a collection of Hitler's speeches........