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jiminycricket1 68M
3168 posts
10/29/2018 9:12 am
TRUMP DEFENDERS


I getting ready to bolt..This coming election will say.. what i don't need to say anymore..

But one last thing..

What I have ALWAYS known.. is the truer argument of Republicans is within and between themselves. The partisanship of Republicans, the support and the ideas, has ALWAYS been more varied than their argument with Liberals. What hasn't been varied, and has been promoted, is their anti-liberal agreement. The only way to see it, is to remove Liberals from the equation.
But if you look you can find it here... Look at the different Trump supporters here.
We got all the different sorts here..

We got Hiram......who's totally gone with conspiracy theories...forget about it... feed him and your looking a the next "bomber" or "shooter"
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We got Maisie.....Who wants to debate, but under her terms. She gets to change the rules.. the rules for her and the rules for the rest of US... there is NO common ground in the debate. A debate she will carry on for infinitum....with Liberals, and if that could be over, with Republicans.. Because here's the deal.. Maisie just wants to WIN.....But she can't... because if she ever did.. she wouldn't Know WTF to do.. And Lizst,, who's her tailgunner.. who thinks everybody else gunning for tail....He's her gunner alright! ....Who just thinks about "tail' because he ain't getting any..Same with his politics.

We got Fossil and "big".. they are "the victims" They see themselves as under attack. So they attack back.. they have no other choice..

We got "Bob"....Who's focus is the JOB.. Where words mean more than meanings. An attorney, in a court battle...Where appropriate behavior.. is any behavior you choose... there is no rules in defending your client, or to sit on the other side and "LOCK HER UP"

We got DanDee.. the self righteous.. the convert..who thinks he is no longer what he used to be. GEEZ, He's been "saved"... God may have 'saved him, but he's going to 'save' the rest of US
And his opposite. Mrsjoe..who maintains what she is.. Never changing.. her upbringing and her life.. is the way it's suppose to be...for her and for everyone else..If you happen to be "different".. Then different is wrong.. of course she doesn't admit it, She doesn't self evaluate .. AS she compares to everyone else.. but how everyone else compares to her.

We got pro-lifers.....Who are hypocrites and overwhelmed... but more important.. Other than being pro-life and supporting whatever supports pro-life.. You don't have clue.. what they will actually stand for.

So all these different people....What do they have in common....They all dislike Liberals.. Liberal are their "enemy"
Some other interesting commonalities.. is they are all white, they are all "Christian", they are all "better" American.. they all focus on differences instead of commonality..They are all, TRUMP DEFENDERS....I say defenders.. because, the other thing they have in common.. is that they wouldn't know a "supporter" from a jock strap


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 9:23 am

When you want to define the "SWAMP".. What it is?

Well, it's Party politics.. that squashes individual voices.. The chooses to define agreement and disagreement... That winning, means more than DOING.
That partisanship is the other Party's fault... That you can Use the Truth.. because the truth has meaning as to what you want it to mean. That they can CREATE TRUTH.


bob77O21__ 75M
8001 posts
10/29/2018 9:56 am

You've made the same unsupported erroneous comment about my religious preference as lulu did. I'm not surprised...


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 10:08 am

So...the Republican strategy.... is to no longer get their message across. done that and failed. When part of their message could be agreed to.. they don't want Democrat agreement.

First.. to define Democrats as the "enemy".. Define anything "Liberal" as the enemy.
Make sure every Republican votes and votes the "ticket"....

But that still won't work......Once you get the Republican vote out.. YOU got to keep the Democrats from voting.. If everybody who has the RIGHT to vote VOTES.. you could lose... unless you get crossover vote by demonizing Democrat candidates.....So play the crossover vote...but deny the true Democrat vote.. that would vote "the ticket".

Now what has Trump done? Well he completed that strategy.. not for the Republicans but for the DEMOCRATS.

The Democrats unlike other years ... WILL VOTE and WILL vote THE TICKET.. The stay home and crossover will be REPUBLICANS like suburban women. Trump has succeeded in diminishing his base... and having no where to go... to add to it.

Republicans for midterms have normally won.. their voter turnout is almost automatic...

The only example I give is myself... I didn't vote in the last Presidential election as you all know. When I normally do vote in Presidential election.... In 2016 I had move to a different county.... I was not registered in that country..and that election just wasn't important enough for me to re-register.
I can't recall ever voting in a midterm election, and I can't ever recall voting an entire ticket..that seemed like a waste to me.. If I couldn't make a choice why vote.
I am a registered INDEPENDENT...
I live in Kansas.. a RED STATE, almost as RED as it gets.
I registered, and got my ticket.
I am voting the ENTIRE Democrat ticket...I have made a choice of what is important to me, and for that choice
The entire Democrat ticket is the only choice I can make.
I am not alone...there are millions of ME...


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 10:20 am

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    You've made the same unsupported erroneous comment about my religious preference as lulu did. I'm not surprised...
It's amazing that TODAY you can make that statement "All" is kind of a funny statement..words are funny things... that the word may not be correct...but the label of it is.. if you deny your religion.. if you deny.. What 's in front of your eyes... If you deny your faith.... if it "all" is just a conspiracy.......You should know the "shame"... AS You are just as much a Christian .....as the rest of them. Heck, for that matter, deny you're White.
I doubt you accomplish anything ...but prove what I said about YOU is right.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/29/2018 10:51 am

I just love it when my marriage is critiqued by people who are too creepy, whacked, strident, extreme, or ugly to have a spouse. Happens just about every day, sometimes multiple times.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/29/2018 11:01 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So...the Republican strategy.... is to no longer get their message across. done that and failed. When part of their message could be agreed to.. they don't want Democrat agreement.

    First.. to define Democrats as the "enemy".. Define anything "Liberal" as the enemy.
    Make sure every Republican votes and votes the "ticket"....

    But that still won't work......Once you get the Republican vote out.. YOU got to keep the Democrats from voting.. If everybody who has the RIGHT to vote VOTES.. you could lose... unless you get crossover vote by demonizing Democrat candidates.....So play the crossover vote...but deny the true Democrat vote.. that would vote "the ticket".

    Now what has Trump done? Well he completed that strategy.. not for the Republicans but for the DEMOCRATS.

    The Democrats unlike other years ... WILL VOTE and WILL vote THE TICKET.. The stay home and crossover will be REPUBLICANS like suburban women. Trump has succeeded in diminishing his base... and having no where to go... to add to it.

    Republicans for midterms have normally won.. their voter turnout is almost automatic...

    The only example I give is myself... I didn't vote in the last Presidential election as you all know. When I normally do vote in Presidential election.... In 2016 I had move to a different county.... I was not registered in that country..and that election just wasn't important enough for me to re-register.
    I can't recall ever voting in a midterm election, and I can't ever recall voting an entire ticket..that seemed like a waste to me.. If I couldn't make a choice why vote.
    I am a registered INDEPENDENT...
    I live in Kansas.. a RED STATE, almost as RED as it gets.
    I registered, and got my ticket.
    I am voting the ENTIRE Democrat ticket...I have made a choice of what is important to me, and for that choice
    The entire Democrat ticket is the only choice I can make.
    I am not alone...there are millions of ME...
You aspire to philosophy, but you think in clichés. It comforts you, evidently, to thing that all Republicans are Christian whites. Unless Ben Carson turned white overnight and Jerod Kushner renounced Judaism, this cannot be true. I suspect that you come from a family which was at least nominally Christian. So what?


bijou649 69F
70 posts
10/29/2018 12:18 pm

The internet sure brings out the worst in people. What satisfaction can certain individuals possibly get going through each blog and insulting everyone else with a different opinion??????????? I give up trying to reason with them or asking them to act in a civilized manner. They are for the most part a sorry bunch of deplorable people who refuse to see that Trump and Fox News are so dangerous, and obviously nothing will change their minds.


sparkleflit 71F
3469 posts
10/29/2018 12:30 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I just love it when my marriage is critiqued by people who are too creepy, whacked, strident, extreme, or ugly to have a spouse. Happens just about every day, sometimes multiple times.
Then there are the people who hold marriage up as an ideal, or accomplishment, or as evidence of their worth, sanity, reasonableness, beauty, etc......We all know that isn't true....we all know lots of whacky, miserable, ugly people who are married to other whacked, miserable, strident, extreme or ugly people. It's extremely naive of someone your age to not know this......or perhaps you hope that others are that naive and you are defending your own marriage by pretending that only wonderful people are married.


sparkleflit 71F
3469 posts
10/29/2018 12:48 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    You've made the same unsupported erroneous comment about my religious preference as lulu did. I'm not surprised...
I haven't thought you were a Christian for a long time.....I remembered the Christian teachings I was brought up with and a true Christian proclaims his faith. You, on the other hand, you hide under a bushel and don't have the guts to reveal your beliefs.......All you have revealed is that you wish those who you don't like should drink Hemlock and die........Definitely not a Christian.


LeafReport 67M
229 posts
10/29/2018 1:36 pm

Hi Cricket. Those that still support Trump are the dumbest people on planet earth at this point. I would argue they were idiots from the outset, but certainly dumb at this point. As an activist all my life I never miss voting. But I think voting a straight ticket is more sensible today than perhaps its ever been. I am pulling for all the progressive women. I'm hoping for historic turnout but I also think that this will pale in comparison to what is coming in 2020. The conservative voter suppression efforts are incredibly troubling. I hope that we don't see violence and frustration at the polls. I still think there is a good chance we do not...but, republicans have acted to close down many polling locations to create long lines in the hopes of diluting the vote. That's about as ugly as it gets in a free society.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 3:29 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Hi Cricket. Those that still support Trump are the dumbest people on planet earth at this point. I would argue they were idiots from the outset, but certainly dumb at this point. As an activist all my life I never miss voting. But I think voting a straight ticket is more sensible today than perhaps its ever been. I am pulling for all the progressive women. I'm hoping for historic turnout but I also think that this will pale in comparison to what is coming in 2020. The conservative voter suppression efforts are incredibly troubling. I hope that we don't see violence and frustration at the polls. I still think there is a good chance we do not...but, republicans have acted to close down many polling locations to create long lines in the hopes of diluting the vote. That's about as ugly as it gets in a free society.
"The conservative voter suppression efforts are incredibly troubling".

YES, for me too...The criminal doesn't start with the BIG crime .. but the little crime..That which justifies the little crime.. soon justifies the BIG crime.

So yes I fear, that voter suppression maneuvering.. can become voter denial, both before the ballot box and after the ballet box.

It's why they have to be stopped NOW....It's why, if it's not, it can become too late to stop it.


bob77O21__ 75M
8001 posts
10/29/2018 3:33 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I haven't thought you were a Christian for a long time.....I remembered the Christian teachings I was brought up with and a true Christian proclaims his faith. You, on the other hand, you hide under a bushel and don't have the guts to reveal your beliefs.......All you have revealed is that you wish those who you don't like should drink Hemlock and die........Definitely not a Christian.
My beliefs aren't any of your business, nor of Jiminy's.

As it presently stands, you and he disagree on whether or not I'm a Christian.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 3:54 pm

The result of this election... will be clear...No matter the State and no matter the party....The overall STATE candidate vote......will be almost equal....each margin, of each state candidates will be almost equal...The small margin of the Split ticket will cancel each other out..
There has never been this kind of coattails for the the top of the STATE ticket. whichever way the State goes..for the STATE (not county)...The whole State will go.

Significant top of the ticket State elections, have more power than they ever have had..to effect the entire State election.. Governor and Senator.... If Democrats chose their candidate right. If their candidates campaigned right.. The Blue wave will not be as important for term Governors and Senators, as it will be for the ENTIRE STATE. And the breaking up the Republican corruption of gerrymandering and voter suppression.
The Constitution is what this election is about. Free elections, in the future, is what this election is really about..Trust in the future is what this election is really about. Whatever Governors and Senators do, Whatever, changing the congress majority does.. Will pale in comparison.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 4:14 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    My beliefs aren't any of your business, nor of Jiminy's.

    As it presently stands, you and he disagree on whether or not I'm a Christian.


You're not Christian.. I NEVER thought you were Christian..
Maybe you didn't read into my response, Like Capitalizing TODAY. like the Shame, Like the denial.....
My gosh,, you conform to all the negative connotations, the alt right puts on Judaism. Except your agreement, with them... You think that will save you.. Not wearing that star...and becoming a Nazi sympathizer.
Now.. I could be wrong, but I doubt it... I said what I think.. Now dispute it.. Now I said what I mean....I never thought you were Christian.....but I don't separate the sympathizers... I don't separate the denier from the deniers.. I called you all Christians..When the fact is.. I don't think any of THEM are REAL CHRISTIANS.


starwomyn 65F
5903 posts
10/29/2018 4:21 pm

I am well aware that Trump is not an angel but he's not the boogie man either. He's a big mouth but at least he keeping his zipper closed in the oval office.

We've had Presidents who were liars, a·dul·ter·er, criminals, bigots, ad infinitum. We survived those Presidents and we'll survive Trump. Folks were saying that Obama would made Sharia the Law of the Land and now they are saying the Trump will have us all speaking Russian or perhaps Korean.

Honestly, I am tired of the Trump bashing mob. It's getting old. The mob doesn't get to ditate how we run our country.


condemnant quod non intellegunt


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 4:39 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    You aspire to philosophy, but you think in clichés. It comforts you, evidently, to thing that all Republicans are Christian whites. Unless Ben Carson turned white overnight and Jerod Kushner renounced Judaism, this cannot be true. I suspect that you come from a family which was at least nominally Christian. So what?
Your narrow definitions... exposes YOU
Your narrow view as a tailgunner, exposes YOU

Certainly I use cliches.....I talk philosophically, and metaphorically.. I don't try to define anything.,.. it is whatever you think it is. But i am not a wideview, open eyed person. I have my narrow moments too......It's MY way....

My philosophy and metaphors do define you... as a CLICHE.


bob77O21__ 75M
8001 posts
10/29/2018 4:54 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You're not Christian.. I NEVER thought you were Christian..
    Maybe you didn't read into my response, Like Capitalizing TODAY. like the Shame, Like the denial.....
    My gosh,, you conform to all the negative connotations, the alt right puts on Judaism. Except your agreement, with them... You think that will save you.. Not wearing that star...and becoming a Nazi sympathizer.
    Now.. I could be wrong, but I doubt it... I said what I think.. Now dispute it.. Now I said what I mean....I never thought you were Christian.....but I don't separate the sympathizers... I don't separate the denier from the deniers.. I called you all Christians..When the fact is.. I don't think any of THEM are REAL CHRISTIANS.
Your comments are offensive.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 5:00 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I am well aware that Trump is not an angel but he's not the boogie man either. He's a big mouth but at least he keeping his zipper closed in the oval office.

    We've had Presidents who were liars, a·dul·ter·er, criminals, bigots, ad infinitum. We survived those Presidents and we'll survive Trump. Folks were saying that Obama would made Sharia the Law of the Land and now they are saying the Trump will have us all speaking Russian or perhaps Korean.

    Honestly, I am tired of the Trump bashing mob. It's getting old. The mob doesn't get to ditate how we run our country.
Yeah, right!
You are the worst of trump defenders....You say you know better.. Yet you do it anyway..You don't think before you speak. So what.. if everybody does it.. That means it can't be wrong?

" Honestly, I am tired of the Trump bashing mob. It's getting old. The mob doesn't get to ditate how we run our country". You think... WE ARE A MOB?

So maybe yes.. WE are a MOB of disagreement.. Not by design, but by creation....Not by division, but by subtraction... Not because we want to be, but because you want us to be. Not by ideological agreement but by moral agreement.
Not by collusion , but against collusion...Not by "conspiracy", but against conspiracy. Not by having control, but fighting control. Not by bias and prejudice, racism and misogyny, but against those thing...
So yes... we are a MOB.. without direction, without leadership, without hateful purpose....WE are THE PEOPLE... And You cant' take it away from US

Your eye's "dilate"... not "dictate". Because it's doubtfully any blood is getting to your brain.


sparkleflit 71F
3469 posts
10/29/2018 5:19 pm

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    My beliefs aren't any of your business, nor of Jiminy's.

    As it presently stands, you and he disagree on whether or not I'm a Christian.


You can tell me it's none of my business until you're blue in the face, can't stop me from expressing my opinion......I empty my spit valve on your head.


sparkleflit 71F
3469 posts
10/29/2018 5:22 pm

Awe, Bobby snowflake is offended.....


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 6:04 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Awe, Bobby snowflake is offended.....
You see sometimes.. i can say the right thing... say what i mean.. even if it's cryptic
BOB , offends his religion
He Offends Six million
He offends Anne Frank because she didn't have choice to hide under the "planks".
And only because of that... He offends ME.

The rest of his stuff doesn't offends me.. for I too can become.. The "Cowardly LION"
BUT not TODAY.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 6:14 pm

You folks are just stupid..

The President is going to Pittsburgh.... under SOME Jewish protests..

Why? To put out a fire.. or start a fire...?

Yes.... "you folks" want a MOB.. Trump is going to show you the " MOB.".


starwomyn 65F
5903 posts
10/29/2018 8:52 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You folks are just stupid..

    The President is going to Pittsburgh.... under SOME Jewish protests..

    Why? To put out a fire.. or start a fire...?

    Yes.... "you folks" want a MOB.. Trump is going to show you the " MOB.".
It was an anti-Trump Jewish group with no affiliation or membership synagogue telling the president he isn't welcome. They didn't consult the Rabbi of the synagogue who said that Trump is welcome.

condemnant quod non intellegunt


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/29/2018 9:30 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    It was an anti-Trump Jewish group with no affiliation or membership synagogue telling the president he isn't welcome. They didn't consult the Rabbi of the synagogue who said that Trump is welcome.
You missed the point.
First I capitalized SOME.
Second.. it has nothing do with my view of whether Trump should be welcome or not.

But the whole thing and everything Liberals say about the inciteful speech and actions of Trump will be in full view.

Some, is all it's going to take for Trump to USE it as ALL

Trump wants to be treated unfairly.. It works for him.... Trump wants a mob scene.
Especially this close to the election..
The people of Pittsburgh, ALL, treating him fairly.. is NOT news worthy. it won't happen.... he'll make sure it doesn't happen.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/30/2018 7:06 am

So this trip to Pittsburgh.. what's it about..
Well normally a President would just go. Without fanfare.. because of simple understanding it about the people of Pittsburgh. unannounced and without fanfare, to express the importance to him. And relay to the People of Pittsburgh the importance to them of the President just dropping things to be there.. To help heal the People of Pittsburgh, it would be about them and NOT about "THE PRESIDENT"

So, for the first time, in two years.. Trump is willing to go into what could be "hostile territory". It says a heck of lot more about the Midterms, than it does the People of Pittsburgh... Trump HAD to set it up first... He set it up with idea of a LIBERAL MOB....Trump LOVES these WIN/WIN scenarios.. But rarely puts himself on the line for them. It seems to me, the possible reward in the MIDTERMS. Either way, to show how good he is, or how bad we are... it is what makes it worth it.
Well, MY OPINION is.. if he had a choice... he'd rather show how BAD we are.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/30/2018 7:08 am

Well it could be a "perfect storm"..

What Trump can't count on....is his supporters...not realizing it's a funeral...
But thinking.... it's a TRUMP RALLY.

Well, the set up fails... if the evil mob of Liberals...Is met by all of Trump's cockroaches.
And believe me .. the cockroaches will come out.

Although we may begin to believe that Charlottesville is really in Pennsylvania.
What we won't be confused about.. is that.. it's about some statue.


sparkleflit 71F
3469 posts
10/30/2018 1:47 pm

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I am well aware that Trump is not an angel but he's not the boogie man either. He's a big mouth but at least he keeping his zipper closed in the oval office.

    We've had Presidents who were liars, a·dul·ter·er, criminals, bigots, ad infinitum. We survived those Presidents and we'll survive Trump. Folks were saying that Obama would made Sharia the Law of the Land and now they are saying the Trump will have us all speaking Russian or perhaps Korean.

    Honestly, I am tired of the Trump bashing mob. It's getting old. The mob doesn't get to ditate how we run our country.
What a good little Trump soldier you are.....doing his bidding to keep the bar low.......perpetuating the soft bigotry of low expectations...........good girl.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/30/2018 10:25 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    So this trip to Pittsburgh.. what's it about..
    Well normally a President would just go. Without fanfare.. because of simple understanding it about the people of Pittsburgh. unannounced and without fanfare, to express the importance to him. And relay to the People of Pittsburgh the importance to them of the President just dropping things to be there.. To help heal the People of Pittsburgh, it would be about them and NOT about "THE PRESIDENT"

    So, for the first time, in two years.. Trump is willing to go into what could be "hostile territory". It says a heck of lot more about the Midterms, than it does the People of Pittsburgh... Trump HAD to set it up first... He set it up with idea of a LIBERAL MOB....Trump LOVES these WIN/WIN scenarios.. But rarely puts himself on the line for them. It seems to me, the possible reward in the MIDTERMS. Either way, to show how good he is, or how bad we are... it is what makes it worth it.
    Well, MY OPINION is.. if he had a choice... he'd rather show how BAD we are.
I am sick of your act, you bigoted, confused jerk. Trump went without fanfare and comported himself well. You, on the other hand, reek of antisemitism.


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
10/31/2018 3:19 am

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I am sick of your act, you bigoted, confused jerk. Trump went without fanfare and comported himself well. You, on the other hand, reek of antisemitism.
13 minutes and he didn't open his mouth...

Yes it was amazing it was wonderful.. Yes I was WRONG...
Surprised things were the way the were suppose to be.. with both Trump and the protesters..


LeafReport 67M
229 posts
10/31/2018 6:12 am

    Quoting bob77O21__:
    My beliefs aren't any of your business, nor of Jiminy's.

    As it presently stands, you and he disagree on whether or not I'm a Christian.


Hi Bob...so does this mean you're a "Bald" Whatever?


starwomyn 65F
5903 posts
10/31/2018 5:46 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    What a good little Trump soldier you are.....doing his bidding to keep the bar low.......perpetuating the soft bigotry of low expectations...........good girl.
Actually, I am a good United States Citizen. I didn't vote for him. I may not agree with everything that Trump says and does but I do support and respect the position of the Presidency.

condemnant quod non intellegunt


jiminycricket1 68M
9634 posts
11/1/2018 8:24 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    Actually, I am a good United States Citizen. I didn't vote for him. I may not agree with everything that Trump says and does but I do support and respect the position of the Presidency.
Respect can be given, but to be maintained it HAS to be earned.