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Democrats Don't know the Electorate.. Of course, I was angry.. that Democrats thought there was more significance . than there actually is in the Black Vote. In some ways just the opposite The black vote is marginal.. they have no more control than anyone else.. But that not the message that Democrats send... Florida and Georgia proves the point.. In a State election The black vote alone couldn't elect anybody. Try this one on for size.... Gillum said to DeSantis.. I don't think you're a racist ... Racists think you're a racist. DeSantis.. should have said to Gillum.. "I don't call you Black.. Black people call you black" You got to think about it.. to understand the electorate.... to understand the action and the equal and opposite reaction When you want to be a melting pot.. you can't separate the ingredients, and call yourself a "melting pot" There is very little difference in the Republican electorate mind... and their fence sitters.. Between Honduran invaders, the unholy gay people... and "monkeying" up the state of Florida. It's all about fear.. |
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Identifying one's particular political party by race, religion or gender.. separates the ingredients.... and only serves to stir the "melting pot"
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11/7/2018 1:48 am |
It's true the democrats do not know the 'stupid' voters in the stupid states. That is obvious now. We need a large field of presidential candidates for 2020 and democrats have to keep connecting with younger voters. As our generation dies off America will continue its move to the left...for a generation. It's one day at a time. It's now up to Robert Mueller to clean up the pig pen.
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I am not arguing.. I'm making a point, of what's happening I make no judgement as to the right or wrong of it. You don't make stupid people smart .. by calling them stupid. And you don't make yourself smart, by calling other people stupid. that's the reality...and you need deal with the reality of the situation... You are I care.. and we reason...Our reasoning...justifies why we care as much as we do. Yet people who think they oppose us...do not care.. what we care about.. do not reason..to Justify.. WHAT WE CARE ABOUT.. WE are the stupid one's to think we can Use OUR reasoning. To change them. Of course... I HATE Trump because of what he does.... He tells them...racism, greed, the truth, compassion and empathy, what motivates you.. hate...is whatever you think it is... and he uses that to make people fearful. He learned a lesson about control... it much easier to make people fearful.. that someone is trying take something away from you... ......Than someone is trying to GIVE you something, to take away your fears The way politics is operating is way more on an emotional level, than a reasoning one. We fall into that trap, and prove that statement to be right.. Because with us, after all is said done. All our caring and reasons completed.. We too, deal from an emotional level. We don't own a crystal ball or a magic lamp... That would allow us to TELL people.... not to fear... what they fear. That would allow us to Tell people...to reason... the way WE reason That would allow Us to TELL people... and draw lines in the sand.......... Of what is Hate.. and what isn't Of what is greed.. and what isn't Of what is TRUTH.. and what isn't Of what is motivation...and what isn't Of what is Racism... and what isn't Of what is compassion and empathy.. and what isn't. the people we are trying to deal with.. don't answer those questions.. don't THINK about them the same way we do You and I, try to define the undefinables for THEM..So we are the one's that are STUPID. to think we can... Just in our attempt.. ......For them...will prove us wrong, and make them believe..... WE are calling them STUPID... and we are the SMART ones. That we are trying to take something away from them and WE are the one's that instill their FEAR. And Trump just plays the fiddle.. As We Burn.
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11/7/2018 7:28 am |
I only agree with you up to a point....that democrats don't know that segment of the population that is tipping these elections. Michael Moore pointed out this morning that democrats won the popular vote in the senate contests by over 10 MILLION votes. America is not a conservative country. To claim that so is one of the biggest frauds ever thrown at a trusting public. America is coping with this fraud in talk radio that has brainwashed many in OUR generation over the past 30 years. We also face propaganda being spewed with incredible gall by Fox News. That dishonesty is easy to identify but not as easy to communicate to those manipulated by the propaganda in the first place. We can thank Adolf Hitler for laying out the strategy for Trump and Fox. Then there is gerrymandering that went completely crazy after 2010. The courts have been trying to untangle some of it but this too is extremely dishonest and it thwarts any attempt whatsoever for bipartisanship.---candidates don't bother to seek compromise, so thoughtful, truthful, and competent debate is rarely possible. Then there is the sinister motivation...voter suppression, refusal of some states to open up early voting, closing polling locations and illegal purging of voter registrations. Some states have made voter registration an extremely arduous task when it doesn't have to be that way. Think about Kentucky...why would a state like this need to close voting at 6 p.m.? It's ridiculous in today's 24/7 world. Where America is today is where the popular vote is. There is no rational argument whatsoever otherwise. We no longer live in the world of pony express and the telegraph machine. In other words, the deck has been stacked against the voters, and against political challengers. Term limits is not the answer either...it just drains Washington of competence needed for governance. It leaves the nation in an absolute mess, where citizens cannot even get votes on legislation with overwhelming public sentiment. The time has come to rid the nation of the electoral college and for court approvals of congressional districts if an independent effort needs challenging. America can truly LEAP into a very responsive and exciting future if we could just address the problems I've identified here. Most Americans can live with losing on an issue from time to time...but the level that Americans are getting hammered today is destroying the nation from within. I don't know how the country fixes the mess now....we aren't winning. We are all losing our way on a sickening road to fascism. If you thought it was bad before...you ain't seen nothing yet. I think Robert Mueller knows that what he's about to do is going to cause a lot of people big time headaches.
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11/7/2018 7:31 am |
He lives in Johnson County...a wealthy KC area suburb that just sent their republican congressman packing electing a democrat and they elected a Democratic Governor. Meanwhile, the stupid state you live in just sent America's most hypocritical female shrill voice to the senate...where she will even make Ted Cruz look less creepy.
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Well let me.. just give you...the best compliment I can..You're not just a STUPID LIAR. than is a lot more going on inside you.. than that. So in this regard you are right...but it goes both ways. Well five states I am aware of.. Simply mean the battle is waging on... There are No winners or losers. Those Sates are Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Texas and Kansas. In Florida an Georgia, the color of one's skin still plays and important role.. In both denial and "in support", and the "in support".. supports the denial........... In Missouri.. it proves what works can be thought of as better than what's right.... In Texas it means proving what right.. doesn't mean you have to WIN... In Kansas. means.. Sometimes things that seem impossible.. CAN HAPPEN.
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11/7/2018 7:51 am |
Cricket...we both know how astonishingly stupid the Trump supporters here are. At this point, to say that they aren't stupid, but fearful, is simply a lame argument. There may be some out there that are fearful, but the reality is...and you need to accept this...is that they are just plain ole stupid to think the way they so often do. This is what is so maddening...these people should NOT be determining America's path forward. The electoral college was devised to marginalize the 'stupid' voters. But somehow many of them ended up as partisan electors themselves. It wasn't rational for any of them to vote for Trump given the realities I've outlined, and the obvious unfit Trump himself. We cannot have partisan gun nuts at the OK Corral in Dodge City Kansas determining policy impact on New York, Chicago, LA, Miami and Washington D.C.
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Don't let me forget IOWA... My gosh....Which tell us.. That some of the STATE doesn't know the difference between pig shit and corn..... Which only prove that some thing that should NEVER Happen... can still happen The MOST Amazing RESULT EVER for any STATE EVER...UNBELIEVABLE.. Democrats win everywhere...Except where they use pig shit to grow corn Don't believe Me.... Souix ME! ...Arkansas, just lost their chant to Iowa...."Souix eeee...Souix eeee".. My gosh.. they don't even believe their OWN newspapers. they don't believe their Own Party.. It not about fake news.. it's about all that "fake pig shit"
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Cricket...we both know how astonishingly stupid the Trump supporters here are. At this point, to say that they aren't stupid, but fearful, is simply a lame argument. There may be some out there that are fearful, but the reality is...and you need to accept this...is that they are just plain ole stupid to think the way they so often do. This is what is so maddening...these people should NOT be determining America's path forward. The electoral college was devised to marginalize the 'stupid' voters. But somehow many of them ended up as partisan electors themselves. It wasn't rational for any of them to vote for Trump given the realities I've outlined, and the obvious unfit Trump himself. We cannot have partisan gun nuts at the OK Corral in Dodge City Kansas determining policy impact on New York, Chicago, LA, Miami and Washington D.C. Start your reasoning.. of what they do that is stupid.. Except categorically disagree with you....I'm not arguing.. You make the list ...you reason it through. For instance what I think of maisie's intelligence level has nothing to do with my assessment of her. It's her immature emotional level.. that thwarts reasoning..the feeds her fears, the require justification..that controls of my assessment of her. Does that make her stupid? Not for me to say without being hypocritical.. Cause I have been there and done that.. and still am on some "other things" Leaf.. you are there right now.. and don't realize it.. Your emotional level is getting the better of you...At the same, through the other side of mouth.. you can talk about reason? ...... So let me ask You.. How do YOU reason fear away...and are you ever fully successful?. if you can.. Please, please tell Us how.. You need to share it.
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I only agree with you up to a point....that democrats don't know that segment of the population that is tipping these elections. Michael Moore pointed out this morning that democrats won the popular vote in the senate contests by over 10 MILLION votes. America is not a conservative country. To claim that so is one of the biggest frauds ever thrown at a trusting public. America is coping with this fraud in talk radio that has brainwashed many in OUR generation over the past 30 years. We also face propaganda being spewed with incredible gall by Fox News. That dishonesty is easy to identify but not as easy to communicate to those manipulated by the propaganda in the first place. We can thank Adolf Hitler for laying out the strategy for Trump and Fox. Then there is gerrymandering that went completely crazy after 2010. The courts have been trying to untangle some of it but this too is extremely dishonest and it thwarts any attempt whatsoever for bipartisanship.---candidates don't bother to seek compromise, so thoughtful, truthful, and competent debate is rarely possible. Then there is the sinister motivation...voter suppression, refusal of some states to open up early voting, closing polling locations and illegal purging of voter registrations. Some states have made voter registration an extremely arduous task when it doesn't have to be that way. Think about Kentucky...why would a state like this need to close voting at 6 p.m.? It's ridiculous in today's 24/7 world. Where America is today is where the popular vote is. There is no rational argument whatsoever otherwise. We no longer live in the world of pony express and the telegraph machine. In other words, the deck has been stacked against the voters, and against political challengers. Term limits is not the answer either...it just drains Washington of competence needed for governance. It leaves the nation in an absolute mess, where citizens cannot even get votes on legislation with overwhelming public sentiment. The time has come to rid the nation of the electoral college and for court approvals of congressional districts if an independent effort needs challenging. America can truly LEAP into a very responsive and exciting future if we could just address the problems I've identified here. Most Americans can live with losing on an issue from time to time...but the level that Americans are getting hammered today is destroying the nation from within. I don't know how the country fixes the mess now....we aren't winning. We are all losing our way on a sickening road to fascism. If you thought it was bad before...you ain't seen nothing yet. I think Robert Mueller knows that what he's about to do is going to cause a lot of people big time headaches. But the problem is this.. and It is totally exacerbated by TRUMP.. and I hate him for it. He is MY enemy... how will that ever change... I don't know. But it's the same problem from both sides of the aisle.. and the main problem of Trump supporters. How does ones stop it..? Democrats from being the enemy... and Republicans being the enemy. From people of color being the enemy... and from 'Whites' being the enemy From News Media being enemy From Mueller and government institutions from being the enemy. From taxes , being the enemy Large government being the enemy Healthcare being the enemy The rich being the enemy.... and the poor being the enemy Illegals, migrants, and immigrants from being the enemy From environmentalists being the enemy... and corporations from being the enemy. From gun owners being the enemy How any religion can become the enemy. How "choice" can become the enemy How protest can become the enemy How our Constitution can become the enemy I don't know how to stop it.. but I know what exacerbates it I know getting rid of Trump won't stop it.... I know I can't stop it by killing the plant, but, at least, I can stop fertilizing it.
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leaf.. You are a lot like maisie, at the emotional level.. And really , other than recognition..... I'm no different either. maisie and you both think.. doing some thing about it.. is going to make the fear go away....Killing the object of your fear..Doesn't kills the fear.. The only real fear.. is fear itself.
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leaf, of course there are legitimate fears....terrorists, mad bombers, anti-Semitic killers..baby stealers, and criminals..whether illegals or not. But you shouldn't do what THEY do, and use them to paint with a broad brush. There are simple ideas with that.. that seems total outrageous to me, about What they do..painting with a broad brush.. not to alleviate fear but to instill fear. almost every single political advertisement, they do.. does it.. I don't want to see Democrats do it...but to lesser degree that's exactly what Democrats have done Fear of caravans, and illegals Fear of sanctuary cites Fear of conspiracies Fear of Pelosi..?? Pelosi? WTF that "Little old lady from Pasadena" Fear of the media Fear of a Liberal takeover, or a minority takeover. Fear of the Truth. There some thing we can NEVER understand about THEM.....It's not that they are making that fear real.... BUT WE are making that fear real for them.
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11/7/2018 10:24 am |
leaf.. You are a lot like maisie, at the emotional level.. And really , other than recognition..... I'm no different either. maisie and you both think.. doing some thing about it.. is going to make the fear go away....Killing the object of your fear..Doesn't kills the fear.. The only real fear.. is fear itself. As for Maisie....she'll find a boogey man from 1955 to whine about, unable to see the forest for the trees. Thanks for another interesting read.
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Hey Cricket...not really...but I do stick it to Mr. Ed and Maisie from time to time mostly just to annoy them. There is no real point getting emotional to the point of dysfunction, which is where Maisie and Mr. Ed already are. We can all see the fraud so clearly. I'm advocating for a change in the dynamics...the policy and strategies that elected officials used to create the mess in the first place. That's how real change materializes. You encourage those elected officials that are best equipped to effect such change, not those who will reinforce the status quo. The stupid are just sort of out there...being stupid. Millions of independents took a chance on Trump only to later realize the gravity of their mistake. All they really wanted was to feed their own hunger for bold change, not incremental change that we got stuck with because of McConnell and Boehner's obstruction. But they didn't get it...so they bailed on Trump and the party at the first chance they got. But the problem is that voters know already it'll take another 2 years to dump the goons. For now, putting a check on these people will be enough to get us to a bright new future. We will just have to watch the stupid...be stupid for 2 more years. As for Maisie....she'll find a boogey man from 1955 to whine about, unable to see the forest for the trees. Thanks for another interesting read. Honestly.. I can't think of time I have ever disagreed with YOU about the What.. In the range of smart to stupid...they mostly fall on the stupid side, the amoral side, the unthinking side, the narrow side, the self servicing side..and the controlling of others side. When they can't even control themselves. If what i said to You, I said to them.. they'd be up in arms... because they are already up to their azz in crap. I will never tell you.. that what you think is wrong.. I just tell you HOW.. I think THEY see it, they use it, they turn it, and they LIE about it... I know because.. they do it to me.
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