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Impeachment I want to talk about my ideas about impeachment. Why at this point and time impeachment should NOT be on the table. During the time of Nixon.. the conscience of this country was very different. His impeachment was directly related to an ideological factor, and failure to uphold an ideological standard..that existed beyond Party Lines. That is NOT the situation TODAY...Nothing exists beyond Party lines.... One has to understand the election of Trump....and what it meant.. Sure some just voted against Hillary...but that's not his base...and his base elected him. He was elected to attack this country ideologically, not politically....Not to change the "politics" but to change the overall ideology. From that standpoint.. Trump has done nothing impeachable...except to those who want to maintain the "old" ideals. That until his supporters can see his destruction of their own "fabric" of this country.. Of Their reality of wealth and power and elitism.. They are NOT going to want to get rid of him...In their minds he is the personification of wealth, power and elitism But we know different...he's a facade, a snake oil salesman, a manipulator, and a LIAR. Right now.. they don't care what he is...he's giving them what they want. Until that changes, and it will.... if it keeps going. The ideological destruction of Liberalism.....the attack on Liberalism is their perception of a response to the attack the Liberals had already made, against them. Liberals personify the destruction of wealth, power and elitism Impeachment is NOT a solution.....It will be a gauntlet thrown down at the feet of those who support Trump. For those who wish to maintain the "old ideals".. that Democrats and Liberals, aren't trying change them.. they are fighting for them... Your voice needs to be heard. You need to vote out anyone who supports Trump...This may be the only time in history..that cutting off the head of the 'snake" doesn't kill it.. It just grows back a "new" one.. You got to cut out the whole snake |
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It's a new day.. We have always been attacked ideologically from the outside...This is the first time in our history we are being attack from the inside. the old ways we combated an attack, don't work anymore.. We can defeat any attack with unity....but an attack from within destroys our unity. The impeachment of Nixon.. was an ideologically impeachment in which our unity prevailed....Even in that time of a greater political division, we maintained the unity of ideals That may NEVER be the case again.... We can expect further ideological attacks from both the Right and Left from within. The defeat of Trump (especially through impeachment) will only strengthen the resolve of his supporters. The fear of even his ability to be elected and the resolve of his Supporters. will only put the left on the defensive, and to create some sort of safeguards..both of these ideas will maintain the ideological attack on OUR democracy. Unless we throw out "old" book.. and write a new testament....the election of Trump..signaled that America can..... NEVER BE GREAT AGAIN.
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What I know is going to happen...that until we all die off.. that until new generations emerge.. We will struggle with this.. What happens then? I don't know for sure.. but what I do know... if we could see it.. What we would see.... is "America" will be unrecognizable to US.
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Let me give you a fact...... What you think you know is more than what you don't know......and less than what I know,.....when what I know is a heck of lot less than what I don't know.. Now this of course.. is one my useless statements.. that doesn't mean squat didley..For someone who can't think... but thinks they know. Let me give you the short explanation....wealth , power and elitism is not in the context of an individual.. but in the context of a country..... Trump is not the "personification" of Trump.. that's redundant..... He's the personification of a country. And a REALLY bad one at that.. That is unless you are Russian...and 99% of "those people" don't even give a shit.. power, wealth, and elitism follows the "one percent rule".... and they have always been "ruled" by the one percent. For they.... unlike US.. have NO percentage in it. Now the difference here.. is that some who have the wealth, power and elitism...refuse to be personified by it.. there are just TOO many other things here...Others who have it ...just revel in it....You know who they are.. Like if you GOT IT... flaunt it.. Those who ONLY search is for it.... can find it here..... even if they don't have. it.
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11/16/2018 8:24 am |
I don't find the argument against impeachment credible frankly. At some point the nation's leaders have to act. America has a mad man on its hands. Yes I understand the debate to the contrary but I'll let others make their case why he shouldn't be, and make utter fools of themselves in that process. The nation's integrity is far more important than political calculation. It won't be much longer until Mueller's investigation is complete. But I don't see how anybody could argue against obstruction of justice and against the Russian collusion question given public knowledge already. Trump has met the threshold necessary to begin proceedings. It's a tragedy to be sure. How the senate will vote is an open question. But at this point I don't see senators stepping forward and completely trashing their own reputation by not voting for removal from office. They need not worry about the threat of a primary anymore. If they do not vote for removal, that would tattoo national disgrace on their forehead forever. The vote would be unanimous. Will rural America in the stupid states whine? Yeah, but come dinner time they will flock to Burger King and swallow a Whopper whole and demand seconds after a healthy burp. Trumpism. is dead.
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11/16/2018 8:30 am |
For what its worth I don't see ideology as an issue in Nixon's impeachment whatsoever. It had everything to do with obstruction of justice at a time when America saw this as a critical institutional protection for us all.
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I don't find the argument against impeachment credible frankly. At some point the nation's leaders have to act. America has a mad man on its hands. Yes I understand the debate to the contrary but I'll let others make their case why he shouldn't be, and make utter fools of themselves in that process. The nation's integrity is far more important than political calculation. It won't be much longer until Mueller's investigation is complete. But I don't see how anybody could argue against obstruction of justice and against the Russian collusion question given public knowledge already. Trump has met the threshold necessary to begin proceedings. It's a tragedy to be sure. How the senate will vote is an open question. But at this point I don't see senators stepping forward and completely trashing their own reputation by not voting for removal from office. They need not worry about the threat of a primary anymore. If they do not vote for removal, that would tattoo national disgrace on their forehead forever. The vote would be unanimous. Will rural America in the stupid states whine? Yeah, but come dinner time they will flock to Burger King and swallow a Whopper whole and demand seconds after a healthy burp. Trumpism. is dead. Getting rid of Trump....is important.. but some how the manner and timing matters more than the fact. Getting rid of Trump is all that matter to me...how it's done and when it's done is only regards to what's best for the Country.. not what's best for me.. Impeachment, today is NOT what's best for the country.. Don't you see it.....What he's doing.. is not what he's done....It's not over.. What you don't like the challenge?. Or do you just fear the results? Impeaching Trump NOW, may take away challenge.. but it's not going to take away the FEAR. What are you scared he's NOT dead?.. are you afraid that by some evil miracle..he'll be "resurrected" and"saved". through the evil he does? He made his coffin, and you want to put the last nail in. I don't care about the nail.. I just to "bury" him.
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You missed the point.. because you can't think... The reason I know more than YOU......Is not about what I know.. It's about what I don't know.... See my definition of being intelligent.. is not about what you know...It's about the realization of thing you don't know.. Because what you know, only provides more questions about those things you don't know..., and it's never ending The more realize you don't know.. means the more you know.
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President Richard Nixon was not impeached. On July 27, 1974, the House Judiciary Committee recommended the impeachment and removal from office of president for obstructing justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress. You think any of that happened while Obama was in office? Bill Clinton WAS impeached. 🙈🙉🙊 Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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For what its worth I don't see ideology as an issue in Nixon's impeachment whatsoever. It had everything to do with obstruction of justice at a time when America saw this as a critical institutional protection for us all. All these arguments.. and you're still living an "ideological" past.. You think that impeachment of Trump.. is whether or not you can PROVE obstruction or collusion?. That's already been done. It's obvious to me, It's obvious to you, it obvious to almost everyone. The argument is whether Trump CAN obstruct and collude....When the ends justify the means.. That is not only the argument about about obstruction, collusion and impeachment... it's the total argument about TRUMP.. Lying, Manipulating, elections, foreign policy, ,health care, and immigration.. everything. It's the argument that wants to put Nationalism, ahead of our Democracy and our ideals.. It's an ideological argument not an argument of FACT When Nixon was impeached.. that argument did not exist..Even though we were in a time of great division, and transition...WE maintained, in spite of the circumstances, an ideological UNITY.. We never realized that outgrowth from the previous ten years, not by design, but by circumstance. It challenged our ideology but we never relinquished our ideals The difference is this transition is not by circumstance... it's by design. To actually challenge our ideals. Those Ideals that gave US.. bad trade deals, immigration problems and open borders, deficits, bad treaties, socialism, a bad economy, 'White" suppression, abortions, entitlements, and the denial of GOD.. In it's place, It wanted to give people of color power to steal from US...to take what we earned. It want to take our guns and our protection, to diminish our religion, to destroy our greatness and make US Common and equal in our eyes and in the eyes of the world...... Nationalism that was the ticket.. to a better place.. to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN What we have to do to get there is not a crime.. It's fricken PATRIOTIC! That's what I call .. getting out for your mind and getting into some elses..
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Jiminy, pay attention, Dude. President Nixon was NOT impeached. Clinton was and was subsequently acquitted. Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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Reading through what I wrote...I need to explain my use of the word "ideology".. is not Liberal ideology or Conservative ideology....Since I don't believe in either one. Since either one, in my reality, does not exist....I only believe in one ideology....An American ideology.. this what I reference when I use the word "ideology".. if I want to reference a specific type.. I would have said it..
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Jiminy, pay attention, Dude. President Nixon was NOT impeached. Clinton was and was subsequently acquitted. Fossil Our just narrow-minded.. instead of bigoted.....
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11/16/2018 4:14 pm |
If Trump is dead.. why do you have to impeach him? Getting rid of Trump....is important.. but some how the manner and timing matters more than the fact. Getting rid of Trump is all that matter to me...how it's done and when it's done is only regards to what's best for the Country.. not what's best for me.. Impeachment, today is NOT what's best for the country.. Don't you see it.....What he's doing.. is not what he's done....It's not over.. What you don't like the challenge?. Or do you just fear the results? Impeaching Trump NOW, may take away challenge.. but it's not going to take away the FEAR. What are you scared he's NOT dead?.. are you afraid that by some evil miracle..he'll be "resurrected" and"saved". through the evil he does? He made his coffin, and you want to put the last nail in. I don't care about the nail.. I just to "bury" him. Now I'm not saying that Impeachment is a certainty...I'm saying its not the radio-active political move it might have been before the mid-terms. Those congressional defeats are big-time trouble for the GOP and I think republicans are praying the Democrats help them out get out of their bottomless pit. You have to remember that Ryan is going to be gone too. The Freedom Caucus is also toast.
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11/16/2018 4:16 pm |
Okay... you need to get out of your own head.. All these arguments.. and you're still living an "ideological" past.. You think that impeachment of Trump.. is whether or not you can PROVE obstruction or collusion?. That's already been done. It's obvious to me, It's obvious to you, it obvious to almost everyone. The argument is whether Trump CAN obstruct and collude....When the ends justify the means.. That is not only the argument about about obstruction, collusion and impeachment... it's the total argument about TRUMP.. Lying, Manipulating, elections, foreign policy, ,health care, and immigration.. everything. It's the argument that wants to put Nationalism, ahead of our Democracy and our ideals.. It's an ideological argument not an argument of FACT When Nixon was impeached.. that argument did not exist..Even though we were in a time of great division, and transition...WE maintained, in spite of the circumstances, an ideological UNITY.. We never realized that outgrowth from the previous ten years, not by design, but by circumstance. It challenged our ideology but we never relinquished our ideals The difference is this transition is not by circumstance... it's by design. To actually challenge our ideals. Those Ideals that gave US.. bad trade deals, immigration problems and open borders, deficits, bad treaties, socialism, a bad economy, 'White" suppression, abortions, entitlements, and the denial of GOD.. In it's place, It wanted to give people of color power to steal from US...to take what we earned. It want to take our guns and our protection, to diminish our religion, to destroy our greatness and make US Common and equal in our eyes and in the eyes of the world...... Nationalism that was the ticket.. to a better place.. to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN What we have to do to get there is not a crime.. It's fricken PATRIOTIC! That's what I call .. getting out for your mind and getting into some elses..
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Cricket...the Nixon impeachment was bi-partisan. It had nothing to do with ideology at all. That is just historical fact. You cannot invent a theory on that. That's why the Nixon impeachment workewd . that's why a partisan Trump impeachment won't work
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11/16/2018 5:33 pm |
Again.. it' not any particular ideology it's American ideology.. The ideology of America.. a combination of the best of both Liberal and Conservative ideologies.. It's what made it once WORKABLE... It's what kept them both going, until NOW. ...It was bi partisan as it was based on American ideals.. of what is obstruction and collusion... It no longer exists today. That's why the Nixon impeachment workewd . that's why a partisan Trump impeachment won't work If Trump succeeds in shutting down the probe...or worse, resorts to pardons, that's when all hell breaks loose. It's hour by hour now...drip, drip, drip until the flood comes.
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11/16/2018 5:44 pm |
There are a lot of wealthy liberals...but its not just monetary, it's a wealth of compassion, of creativity, of bold accomplishment and purpose. It's a sharp contrast to right wing money laundering endeavors.
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What I'm encouraging you to think about is the mid-term results Cricket. You have to think about it from coast to coast. Prior to the mid-terms Trump's chaos was giving the country a migraine on an hourly basis. You can only secure so much confidence from a poll. The daily damage, and the consequences of that, had no guiding principle of restraint...including the law. There was a lot of fear over that finger on the button. But the election shifts the dynamic and in this case the restraints became visible again. Remember John Boehner's infamous comment about the republican party being a wheelbarrow full of frogs? Well the wheelbarrow doesn't have a wheel anymore and the frogs are gone. I think Mueller's report, and perhaps Trump's obstruction panic in advance of its release is what everyone is waiting for. Republicans want out...they are waiting for the tumor to grow to unmanageable proportion. We are witnessing the unfolding of the biggest scandal in American history. Bi-partisanship is coming...and the mid-terms provided the safety net everyone was looking for. As for Trump's base...well, the lion only meows now. If Trump succeeds in shutting down the probe...or worse, resorts to pardons, that's when all hell breaks loose. It's hour by hour now...drip, drip, drip until the flood comes. Impeachment is a result not a process.. You don't go looking for impeachment it comes to you.. We have two instances in our lifetime of impeachment...Nixon and Clinton. I see a big difference not because the results were different but because the process was different. The fact is they were the same as neither was actually impeached,but the impeachment of Nixon was a result.. the impeachment of Clinton was a process. What should learn from it... is impeachment can not be a process to impeachment.. Impeachment is NOT a Congressional. investigation nor a trial. So Do I want to see Trump Impeached... YES Do i want to see Trump involved in an Impeachment PROCESS, Investigation, and Trial with impeachment as the GOAL.... NO
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As usual, actual facts don't matter to the liberals. Fossil Non ego te hic placere
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The poorest support Mango because they resent their economic lot in life and appear to be incapable of understanding that Mango will do nothing to ease that except to make promises he can't keep because they are impossible and/or he doesn't care.
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As usual, actual facts don't matter to the liberals. Fossil Your hero Mango cares about them.
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