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jiminycricket1 73M
5404 posts
1/18/2019 5:46 am
Choices


We all should understand CHOICES we make them everyday..I have made a choice to write this blog.

There are CHOICES ... we totally make on our own....choices that are influenced...choices forced between two things, neither of which, would be your own choice.. And Choices that are made, not for the choice itself, but the outcome.. And choices that are immediate and choices that a longer term decisions.

It's important to understand how we make choices.. so that we may understand how other people make choices.. How almost all choices will fit a description above.

We are confronted with a choice between a WALL and Shutdown.. first one needs to understand what those thing are..

The wall,, except in Trump's mind, is undefined, In Trump's mind a wall is a completed barrier.. a partial barrier is not really a Wall in Trump's mind.. but, it someone else's mind it MAY be different.. a partial wall can still be a wall..
A wall is not a wall until one builds it... A completed wall for a border is not completed by just funding it .. it has to be built...That takes time, in the case of the Southern border wall it's going to take YEARS.. for a Completed Wall.
The estimated cost for a "completed wall" on the Southern border is 70 billion

The Shutdown... is defined, can be understood, and impact is immediate..

The first decsion is to define the positive and negative impact of the choice you can make..
Is Trump's wall and the benefits you see from a "completed" wall somtime in the future.. worth the negative immediate impact of a shut down.

Which brings me to the point of my blog.. Is who choice is it?.. Who's made the choice and is making the choice.... Republican or Democrat or Trump?... The Wall, or the shutdown?


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/18/2019 6:33 am

First let me say we make a choice to think in terms of a "partial wall" and "partial border security"...For me the logic isn't there....
There is only way to think about it that is a "completed wall" and "completed border security" and a continuing the shutdown or an end to the shutdown..

Who's made the choices?
Well in regard to the Wall... it's Donald Trump.. It his choice.. It 's Trump's WALL
In regards to the shutdown.. It's Donald Trump.. He choose to do it
Donald Trump has used EVERY described CHOICE criteria previously outlined
.. to try and make that choice for you. HIS Choice..His Power and influence, HIS defining the choices. HIS truth, and HIS outcome
I can not fault those that understand.. and still believe.. that a wall for a shutdown is the best route. If one understand the choices

Donald Trump.. is only one who made the choice.. He choose to created the shutdown.. He choose to build HIS WALL... No one else did it.. Democrats didn't choose the Wall or Choose the shutdown...Republicans didn't even choose the wall or the shutdown.. only Donald Trump did it.
Donald Trump is forcing you to make that choice also...So.. It will never be YOUR CHOICE.
That is what this about.... CHOICES......and Do you have any?

And "CHOICES".. are the backbone of OUR democracy.
Not having CHOICES is an Autocracy


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/18/2019 7:02 am

So what would be my choice to end the shutdown.. Democrats need to pass a bill with 10 billion dollars for border security.. With he stipulation... That none of money can be spent to build any new walls.. but can repair and improve the existing one.. improve other infrastructure at the border, technology. and personnel..
Pass it in the house.. bring it to the Senate.. if they do not vote on it.. then end it.. It over..No more compromise, no surrender..
THat's my choice and if Trump doesn't stop the shutdown immediately.. begin the impeachment.. Tell Mueller... ready or not..... WE NOW need to KNOW...

Impeachment or stop the shutdown.. Instead of Trump's blackmail.. a WALL for a shutdown... make it Trump's Presidency for a shutdown.. Then shut HIM down.. if not by impeachment by not acknowledging him....make it so he doesn't exist, even if he still has the title.. Any whipping hurt you think HE can do to you.. .. ON HIS OWN...take it.. It will be worth every lash.. for the backlash........ That will be his ONLY choice. WE will WIN... Join the Shutdown
This isn't an ideological battle anymore .. It a WAR..It war for OUR democracy..
And again.. It was TRUMP's CHOICE to start it and with the "shutdown"...there NO in between.. It's needs to be OUR CHOICE to finish it.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/18/2019 7:37 am

In the ocean of things that are a possible criteria for impeachment, none of which it seems can stand alone... An ocean of things, that are just a bunch of drop in buckets.. where we can see the drops... but not the ocean..
This shutdown.. has gone too far... It's now becomes the BEST reason for IMPEACHMENT.. an OCEAN itself.. the single greatest agreement of the American people.. the cataclysmic event, that will bring it and US all together.
It's no longer about who gets something for nothing, who gets the benefit....It's about how much we ALL are willing to sacrifice for it. The truer meaning of Patriotism.

There is NO OUT in trading the shutdown for a Wall....You trade for it.. You trade it all.........This won't get out of it...IT ONLY DEEPENS THE WELL.

It's the ONLY way to show THEM.. They NEED us.. more than we need THEM
SACRIFICE......And END IT
Join... "A More Perfect "UNION"


JOIN THE SHUTDOWN.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/18/2019 10:07 am

In a conversation about choices, I said that most of our choices are unconscious and becoming conscious of our choices is a way to better outcomes. Several people insisted that they never made unconscious choices. One man went so far as to insist that he had never made an unconscious choice in his life. I pointed out that his statement proved my point and he got angry. I asked him which shoe he put on first that morning......what route he drove home from work, which brand of coffee he bought, where he bought it, when he drank it, what program he watched, etc........He said those are habits, not decisions.......but habit is just how we choose to label decisions that have become unconscious. Humans are comforted by habits......they are useful .shorthand........They can also become addicting and act like a soporific in one's life........can become the main operating principal, robbing one of creativity, spontaneity, ability to correct the direction of one's life........
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jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/18/2019 12:45 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    In a conversation about choices, I said that most of our choices are unconscious and becoming conscious of our choices is a way to better outcomes. Several people insisted that they never made unconscious choices. One man went so far as to insist that he had never made an unconscious choice in his life. I pointed out that his statement proved my point and he got angry. I asked him which shoe he put on first that morning......what route he drove home from work, which brand of coffee he bought, where he bought it, when he drank it, what program he watched, etc........He said those are habits, not decisions.......but habit is just how we choose to label decisions that have become unconscious. Humans are comforted by habits......they are useful .shorthand........They can also become addicting and act like a soporific in one's life........can become the main operating principal, robbing one of creativity, spontaneity, ability to correct the direction of one's life........
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Yes that's it.. unconscious choices.......we all make them everyday..
One can say most Trump supporters don't really make a conscience choice about him

Most all of them are unconsciousl LOL
We need to WAKE them up.. to actually understand the choices they are making..

If they actually do understand ...and actually make that choice.. I really don't have problem with it...we can just fight it out..

but it's too hard for me to fight.... so many that are unconscious.LOL