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jiminycricket1 69M
4618 posts
5/2/2019 10:04 am
Step up to the Barr


COMEY..."But more often, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think ’s at least part of what we’ve seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis’s to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites".

The question.. I ask.. Is how does someone bite back? Mattis should be praised.. not for his leaving.. but what he did while he was there..He Never failed the truth.. But his leaving, was a defeat with honor...He simply could not find the support around him. Trump had seen to ..

But Trump fails to see.. the strategy difference between the military and the criminal investigators., they don't operate the same

Comey's problem was he happen to be the first to fall..At the time He was expected to do his job... but again he couldn't get it done... Not with Trump.. Comey's support came after his fall.

Rosenstein, Mueller, Barr, and Comey are cut from the same cloth...Brothers in arms.. Truth purveyors, in a world where truth can not be JUST TOLD.. In a world you got to Lie to show the truth..

We listen to their rhetoric now...and miss the vast plan they have conjured up. The idea Trump lies and gets away with it... and his narcissism. thinks he's the only can do it.. It's his downfall. the truth is his downfall..

For once there's truth of the "witch hunt".. Those guys sit around a table, and figure out how to get him.. 's what they do.. 's what they have always done first without purpose and now with purpose..
Don't tell me Rosenstein, bringing up wearing a wire.. means he supports Trump...not then, not now, not ever..

Which brings us to the most obvious..Trump supporter..BARR
despite all the rhetoric...there are only two things matter..

First is Mueeler's report is factual...Barr says it all the time.. you people just don't hear it.. Harris ask him... if he looked at the supporting evidence to make his decision to write's the summary.. Barr's answer was NO..there was no reason..Mueller's report was enough, as it was factual. ....
Barr released Mueller Report...in it's entirety and didn't dispute it.
IT typical of Trump, and being used against him.... what he actually does is different than what he says. What do think is happening with the other investigations...my gosh.. Trump's plan of distraction is now the plan used against him.. Trump and the rest of us are being distracted. Mueller would have loves , in his investigation, not to be noticed.
So from standpoint Barr.. is against Trump. We are going to repeat the Mueller report times...and those redactions..Well, they are what really sinks Trump, and have little to do with the Russian Investigation.. Put the Russian Investigation in your back pocket for Now... the best is yet to come..

To know if there is plan being hatched....The second most telling thing about Barr..and the reason Mueller released his report NOW..and waited for Barr...is Mueller understood the only way to complete the truth.. was not in his investigation.. but all the investigations, his job of Russian interference had created..
It became tantamount for Mueller to protect THOSE investigations.

So i'm putting Barr on the line....Forget everything his says... See what he does..
Democrats fear what he will do with the ongoing investigations..
If Barr negatively impacts the ongoing investigation.. he will be supporting Trump
At this point.... I disagree he will.....

Of course there was evidence to get ... Don jr, Ivanka, Kurshner, and the Trump organization, the Trump Foundation, the emolument.. But it was all tainted by the Russian investigation.. Mueller couldn't get it done..Not directly

My Gosh.. I KNOW they are all in on it.. 's the only reason makes sense as to WHY.. Barr would NOT turn over his notes with Mueller. Not to expose himself.. but Not to expose MUELLER...Barr has got to stay in trump's good graces.. for as long as he possibly can.

Comey's statement above is right...but nobody besides "THESE FOLKS".. Have had the power, support, and ability to turn the tables. I know how "these folks" think.. nothing can be more important to them.. than the affront..to their own honor, and intelligence. They will do anything to get back, All the cards on the table NOW.....



jiminycricket1 69M
10826 posts
5/2/2019 10:30 am

Believe me... they figured out another way to get it done. The idea to topple the top Trump card.. wasn't going to work.. they now understand to topple it.. you start at the bottom of the Trump House of CARDS. there 12 investigations going on and each one can pull ,a card out from underneath him.. instead of defeating one dirty Trump card.....they are using the Dirty Dozen.


jiminycricket1 69M
10826 posts
5/2/2019 11:07 am

"these folks".. have a way about them....they certainly can appreciate a well thought out criminal plan.. It's what they live for.. the challenge..

But "these folk" can not stand a criminal to throw it their faces...Trump has never been a challenge..he been an affront....And believe me... You don't want to give those dogs that bone.


bijou649 70F
585 posts
5/2/2019 11:16 am

Maybe Congress could have a look at Barr's bank account and see what the balance was before he wrote that unsolicited letter to Trump and got himself nominated, and then have a look at what the balance is now that he's become Trump's personal attorney. What a terrible excuse for an Attorney General. Trump is really draining the swamp.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
5/2/2019 12:07 pm

Bill Barr is doing everything he possibly can to be fair about this. But I think to be fair, if you want to ask questions about a 448-page report, the guy you ought to be talking to is Bob Mueller not Bill Barr.

Though at no point did Mueller suggest that Barr's summary of the report was inaccurate.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
5/2/2019 2:17 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Bill Barr is doing everything he possibly can to be fair about this. But I think to be fair, if you want to ask questions about a 448-page report, the guy you ought to be talking to is Bob Mueller not Bill Barr.

    Though at no point did Mueller suggest that Barr's summary of the report was inaccurate.
Really?.......The letter Mueller sent to Barr on March 27 certainly states that Barr misrepresented the report.....he also said that Barr's misrepresentation had led to misunderstandings by the public and requested Barr to immediately rectify the situation by telling the truth.........That certainly sounds to me like he "suggested " that the summary was inaccurate......


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
5/2/2019 2:32 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Really?.......The letter Mueller sent to Barr on March 27 certainly states that Barr misrepresented the report.....he also said that Barr's misrepresentation had led to misunderstandings by the public and requested Barr to immediately rectify the situation by telling the truth.........That certainly sounds to me like he "suggested " that the summary was inaccurate......
Democrats and the media are acting as if Barr engaged in some sort of cover-up, when he went further than required under the regulations to release all of the report with minimal redactions. Even Mueller in a phone conversation with Barr didn’t complain that his summary of findings was inaccurate .


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
5/2/2019 7:10 pm

    Quoting  :

Democrats and the media are turning the AG into a villain for doing his duty and making the hard decisions that special counsel Robert Mueller abdicated.
This trashing of Bill Barr shows how frustrated and angry Democrats continue to be that the special counsel came up empty in his Russia collusion probe. He was supposed to be their fast-track to impeachment.

So now you are shouting and pounding the table against Bill Barr for acting like a real Attorney General.


LeafReport 68M
1904 posts
5/3/2019 2:48 am

Mattis did get it right, Haley managed to at least get out unscathed. But at this point those that are trying to get out are best advised to do so bluntly. A failure to do that, at a minimum in my view, would be reckless with their reputation. Now Perry is about to blow it with that dangerous rollback offshore drilling regulations.

Meanwhile...in a related act of failure...America has returned to 4 dollar gas under Trump.


LeafReport 68M
1904 posts
5/3/2019 2:52 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Democrats and the media are acting as if Barr engaged in some sort of cover-up, when he went further than required under the regulations to release all of the report with minimal redactions. Even Mueller in a phone conversation with Barr didn’t complain that his summary of findings was inaccurate .
....it's becoming embarrassing Mr. Ed...just stop.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
5/3/2019 6:35 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    ....it's becoming embarrassing Mr. Ed...just stop.
Embarrassing for you and the left maybe. If I were Barr, I would tell Jerry Nadler to pound sand. I would tell him to hit the road. Let me give you a couple of reasons why. Biggest hearing you might have in your entire chairmanship, you can’t bother, you’re too lazy to learn the portfolio well enough to ask your own questions? And your members don’t have the discipline not to sit here and speak without asking questions? Really? And my second question. Who was elected by the American people to oversee the Department of Justice in the most important investigation they have. Was it the members or was it some lawyer that you want to set up Barr with? This is a set-up.


jiminycricket1 69M
10826 posts
5/3/2019 12:15 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Mattis did get it right, Haley managed to at least get out unscathed. But at this point those that are trying to get out are best advised to do so bluntly. A failure to do that, at a minimum in my view, would be reckless with their reputation. Now Perry is about to blow it with that dangerous rollback offshore drilling regulations.

    Meanwhile...in a related act of failure...America has returned to 4 dollar gas under Trump.
Barr is creating what is necessary to be anti-trump... And agreement to fact
Any discussion, dispute or argument to be settled has to have a basis of fact. In regards to Trump there can be no agreement to fact.. so there in essence no discussion, dispute, or argument...
Now we get to the problem....When you Don't go along with trump..
all conclusions from agreed fact need to be considered.. all conclusion are simply possibilities. I have my possibilities and you have yours.. just don't change the facts

You and i agree to the facts.....that agreement.. doesn't mean either of us are right with our conclusions...

So we need to draw line that the conclusions don't determine the facts .. the facts determine the conclusions. any conclusion that is derived from the fact is simply a possibility..and not a fact itself..
You need to be careful in understanding.. that your feelings towards Barr are not about facts, but about conclusions.
And thank your lucky star..Mueller is not Mattis or Haley, but will do something about it. WE draw conclusions about Mueller.. I got mine... He's silent, but deadly. Don't be surprised about what he tells Congress.. just go along with it
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jiminycricket1 69M
10826 posts
5/3/2019 12:41 pm

The Incredibly Dumb Bill Barr Scandal
National Review The Editors,National Review Wed, May 1 10:04 PM CDT

Is it already August? That’s usually the Beltway silly season appropriate for such a ridiculous non-scandal as the Great Bill Barr Summary of Findings Outrage of 2019.

As everyone knows, Bill Barr released a brief letter summarizing the top-line conclusions of the Mueller report shortly after he received it. Justice Department lawyers then worked with Mueller staff to make the appropriate redactions, after which the entire 400-page report was publicly released. Strangely enough, this process has become an obsession for Democrats and the press and the focus of endless conspiracy theories.

Now it has emerged that Robert Mueller wrote a letter to Barr complaining about his summary letter and public perceptions in the wake of it, leading to Democratic calls for Barr to resign or even get impeached.

It’s hard to know where to begin. Barr’s position was eminently reasonable. He wanted to get the basic verdict of the Mueller report out as quickly as possible, given the inherent interest in the question of whether the president of the United States had conspired with the Russians. He opposed the subsequent release of the summaries of the report, as suggested in Mueller’s letter, because he thought it better that the public get the entire report at once. Which it did. Democrats and the media are acting as if Barr engaged in some sort of cover-up, when he went further than required under the regulations to release all of the report with minimal redactions.

Even Mueller in a phone conversation with Barr didn’t complain that his summary of findings was inaccurate — Barr was careful to note that Mueller didn’t “exonerate” Trump on obstruction.

Barr is being accused of perjury in prior congressional testimony about his handling of his report. But Barr was typically terse and precise in his answers. In one exchange with Representative Charlie Crist (Fla., Any Party That Will Take Him), Barr said he didn’t know what were the specific complaints of unnamed Mueller staff criticizing his handling of the summary to the press. But he also offered, on his own initiative, that they probably wanted more material from the report made public, and he explained why he didn’t think it was a good idea to release summaries of the report.

What is perhaps most notable about this episode is that Robert Mueller — or, perhaps, as Barr hinted in his Wednesday testimony, people around him — were concerned about the media coverage and political discussion around his report. Particularly troubling was that it wasn’t damning enough of the president. This is not a prosecutorial concern, but a political one unworthy of people who were invested with incredible investigative power in the name of objectivity.

Of course, no one holding forth about Barr on CNN and MSNBC, which are as committed to their hysteria and groupthink today as when the Russia story began, ever wonders about that. Not for the first time, or we expect, the last, Bill Barr’s critics are demonstrating their lack of judgment and seriousness, not his

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Yes.. Dumb Democrats.. Proving Trump right....YOU IDIOTS
What happens when this turns in your favor.. and Trump want to fire Barr?
Another Comey?
Barr hasn't done ANYTHING wrong.. but simply prove that he can do what's right.. and still fool Trump, that he's supporting him?
Releasing the redacted items.. supports Trump
Releasing his notes with Mueller supports Trump
Yeah.. sure Barr is opening investigations about this is a conspiracy and wrongfully investigated.. You folks buy that?
Yeah to come to the conclusion it wasn't and MAKE THAT A FACT TOO
Changing ANY facts.. supports Trump.. Barr is doing None of that..

These guys don't repeat their mistakes..

When Trump wises up.. Barr will get thrown under the bus..Hopefully, and hopefully planned.. THAT WILL BE TOO LATE.


jiminycricket1 69M
10826 posts
5/3/2019 1:03 pm

Don't believe me think about SESSIONS and Comey. I was far more apprehensive about Session than I was Barr.. and how did that turn out? Sessions was caught between a rock and hard place... Barr isn't

Democrats don't get it...You may not Win soon enough.. But You got NOTHING TO LOSE, letting this play out...Barr is NOT going to sink you...PERIOD.. he can't do it..He can only maintain the status quo.. if he actually does support Trumps.
Believe me, the status quo is NOT good for Trump.. It NEVER HAS BEEN.

If you force it.. You can lose it...that's the fact

Trust those that have been there and done that... certainly NOT politicians.


jiminycricket1 69M
10826 posts
5/3/2019 1:38 pm

The thing about Barr and the House hearing.. is exactly the opposite of what you think.

Barr being examined by attorney for the Democrats.. will get caught between a rock and hard place.. they will force him to tell the truth.. He can't do that..he'll give up all he's accomplished so far..His not revealing the Truth has been to Fool Trump, not Congress.. From day one of Barr's confirmation..i could tell what was happening, the way Barr had answered.. his carefulness and and thought, about telling the truth... was not to fool congress, but to fool Trump
And he can't LIE..that's a tough one.. Damn Democrats won't let him off the hook.
they will try to make him the fall guy instead of Trump..And Trump will end being protected and get someone in Barr's place, like Whitaker.. that will LIE.
Barris giving you everything you.. NEED.. you just can't see it. He's not trying to blind You... he's trying to blind side Trump
Damn Democrats!