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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/24/2019 11:30 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    "Your mind can not accept possibilities...It's why you do not understand subjectivity.. It's what this whole blog is about.. You want everything neatly packaged..

    This whole thread started with me saying that I find truth to be mostly subjective and from that, you have built up this miasma of assumptions about my thinking.........You have no clue what you're talking about........You don't know me at all.........I have spent years of my life as a spiritual seeker.......I lived off-grid, as close to Nature as possible........I grew up in the midst of raw Nature, following bears, watching God's creatures with a heart bursting with gratitude and awe......being still, aligning my spirit with the spirit of wolf, beaver, moose, salmon............fire, water, wind, rain, river, lake, surf......fish. crabs...I chose again and again the company of the wild.........and when I couldn't, I chose the company of young children .........I have spent months and years alone in the wilderness focused on the subjective reality of nature......I have made my lif e choices to facilitate that......When a person deliberately discards all that insulates them from the natural world.......when you spend your days paddling a kyak or sailing a simple wooden boat, feeling every current and breeze, navigating the same reality as the eagle, being joyfully joined by whales, porpoise, sea-lions, seals........when you grow and harvest and preserve your
    own food......when you make your own clothing, shear the sheep, wash and card and spin and knit....search for dye to beautify............

    I chose to spend my time with small children and with damaged adults who needed help to heal......These have been my life goals, experiences and joys..........When I came across a freshly killed deer in the bush.....the blood still wet.......I knew it was a wolf-kill, because I knew wolf from experience....from a life-time of observation.......I followed him and found him sound asleep on a sunny bluff. I called to him, but he only yawned, showing his bright tongue and magnificent flesh-tearing teeth......then he tucked his nose back under his bushy tail and fell back to sleep. He was so full of meat, so satisfied, that he didn't care that I was there too. I gave him a couple of days to digest and then went to his resting place. And as I sat there in the lush moss, looking out to sea......to the islands dotting the deep blue, to the snow-topped mountains of the mainland inlets, my hand came in contact with a hard object in the moss.......It was an 8 inch piece of deer thigh-bone.....hollow and smooth....as white as the wolf's teeth..........and I knew he had left it as a gift for me. I took it home and put it under my pillow.

    There ensued a reciprocal dream relationship between me and the wolf and the deer which culminated with me polishing, shaping and carving the bone and when it was done......and the dreams had stopped, I asked to be shown the purpose of the hollow bone.

    You make assumptions about me based on your own biases.......You don't see that religion and scripture and houses of worship objectify God........You assume that not subscribing to the Christian Objective means that my thinking lacks a
    subjective perspective.........You keep assuming that the ineffable needs to be objectified ........You don't even begin to see that the concept of God is the ultimate objectification of the ineffable........
No.. you're wrong ... I do see all that..

If I DIDin't see that ... I wouldn't even be talking to you..

.".You keep assuming that the ineffable needs to be objectified ........You don't even begin to see that the concept of God is the ultimate objectification of the ineffable.

So you do understand and have changed? Or have you..

Let me ask You... is God subjective.. and the words objective?... Or is God objective and words subjective? I'm confused at what you actually do think..

Like I believe they can both..They both define the thing.. the thing can't define itself. You have to define it.. And the truth of it.. is by plurality...not reality.. when the truth of it, encompasses both.

So for you...Objectivity and Subjectivity.. has to be either?or.. they can't be both..

The reason for that....is your objectivity about words...the words to you are objective. they have to be for you to understand them.
Affect and effect.. are specific to the word.. they can only mean to YOU.. what you think the word means..Same with the word.. GOD.. the ideas of objectivity, and truth by plurality, ARE SIMPLY A WAY TO AVOID SUBJECTIVITY.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/24/2019 11:54 am

So let me ask you.... You think you are right? What makes you think you are right?

I am not being sarcastic.. I'm honestly asking you..

Let me give my answer....

Because of the way you .. you think, I think, the same. So You think, I think I'm right?

I never think I'm right. I told you I am more subjective than objective..My idea of subjectivity means I can NEVER be right... I can not not know all there is to know about the subject..So how can I know I'm right?.. Only the idea of objectivity can tell a person they are right..

Now being right, or righteous, God and Truth and Lies, and good and evil.. are those ineffable words. that to be correct... YOU HAVE TO OBJECTIFY..
To treat them subjectively.. One can NEVER be right.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
6/24/2019 12:19 pm

Let take the words good and bad....you can't define them without objectifying them

You would say they are subjective words... but truth is they have no meaning in the subjective.

They are the same word in the subjective.. good and bad are all relative to each other..... what's good for someone can be bad to someone else.... they are defined by a relative point to each other.. the point you choose to define it..is objectifying.

In the subjective you can't define either/or.. It's either good or it's bad..?
"GOOD AND BAD" is the subjective.. you can't separate them.

Yet we separate and objectify it.. In truth by plurality... bias and prejudice.....by righteousness.. agreement...and self interest.. WE choose to objectify...It's not TRUE.. we make it TRUE...
so when you think your right... You are objectifying... if you subjectify you can't KNOW you are right.

All these kind of words we choose to Make the ineffable.. "F"-able., and affable.