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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
2/23/2020 6:55 pm
Stone Cold Bernie


Most of the time.. i try to present possibilities..that should get you thinking.. Get you to re-evaluate.. the things you think you KNOW.
I know... it doesn't work very often.

So I'm changing it with this one.. This is not a possibility .. It's what I know.. Let me ask you to respond... so that I may re-evaluate what I know.

First Trump doesn't change, he uses the tactics.. he sets up his action before he does them... making them more palatable,, more reasonable..so he thinks.
More times, than not, it's a Lie.. but it becomes the basis for what he doing.

How obvious does it need to be.. that Trump is lying about the Stone Trial and investigation.. Again he makes accusations, he character assassinates. He says Stone doesn't deserve the sentence he COULD get... It's a setup for a Pardon. it's not really a choice .the decision has already been made Trump is pardoning Stone.

How obvious can this Bernie Sander thing be.. Russian interference for Trump that doesn't exist and Russian interference for Bernie that does.. Trump is in hog heaven with this win/win situation..

Before Trump actually decides to overtly cheat, to win the election.. he would prefer to try and win it by manipulation. That manipulation entails two factor... First to be able to select his opponent.. which is obviously Sanders. and second is to reduce the voter turnout for Democrats. Trump's interference is a Win/Win situation. So he wants
Bernie.. if that happen he wins..
Trump is setting up his other win.. If Bernie loses... It will be a corruption of the Democrat establishment. He will tear the democrat Party apart. reducing the vote.

I would ask Bernie this question, in the next debate..
"You have mentioned the Democrat establishment many times. you have indicated your lead and momentum is scaring the Democrat establishment.
So my question... who is the Democrat establishment?.. who is it.. is it democrat ?.. is it democrat corruption?

Who exactly on this stage with you ..is the Democrat Establishment.. all of them or none of them. or some of them... Which ones..
Who there Bernie is the Democrat Establishment? Is it anybody who doesn't vote for you?

Win or lose Bernie.. without names.. you are going to tear apart the Democrat party


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/23/2020 7:05 pm

Sanders is destined to be a loser.. no matter if he wins or loses..
Sanders can not win enough Democrat Socialist seats in Congress to be effective.
Bernie Sander honesty will be use against him Bernie Sande will not be able to compromise and earn the fruits from that.
Bernie Sanders, with the obstruction that going to happen.. and the attempt at half ass measures of Democrat socialism.... will sink the economy.


LeafReport 73M

2/24/2020 2:29 am

Well on this one we are certainly walking down the same road. Regardless of party the establishment represents congressional leadership that has endured more than one presidential term. It's the force of multiple years of committee assignments with representation from districts seen as safe. So its never everybody and its a constantly changing landscape of people who grasp the traps, the opportunities and who know when casting a vote will harm them and they find a way to cast another vote to water down the impact. It's the ole - I voted for it before I voted against it - blame game. I would say its a little over a third of either party. Powerful yes, vulnerable yes, invincible no. The establishment can both make and break a presidency. It's the break part that Sanders whines about because he's on the fringe and playing in the gray areas where you can lose and not drown. If Sanders gets the nomination I would argue democrats must immediately begin working on 2024. The caucus states have got to go, debates have to be restructured, Iowa must be abandoned as an early barometer and regional primaries must be considered to enhance the prospect of keeping candidates in the race longer. Power has to be returned to the super delegates. That won't be popular but it has to be done. The power of small states cannot be allowed to grow out of proportion to the degree where it defines a national agenda obscuring the interests of the nation at large. We cannot have any more elections where the candidate losing the popular vote actually wins. That is what is going to happen in 2020. Trump may lose by 5 million votes. I'm not sure Texas and Georgia are ready to flip...it could take another 10 years.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/24/2020 4:41 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Well on this one we are certainly walking down the same road. Regardless of party the establishment represents congressional leadership that has endured more than one presidential term. It's the force of multiple years of committee assignments with representation from districts seen as safe. So its never everybody and its a constantly changing landscape of people who grasp the traps, the opportunities and who know when casting a vote will harm them and they find a way to cast another vote to water down the impact. It's the ole - I voted for it before I voted against it - blame game. I would say its a little over a third of either party. Powerful yes, vulnerable yes, invincible no. The establishment can both make and break a presidency. It's the break part that Sanders whines about because he's on the fringe and playing in the gray areas where you can lose and not drown. If Sanders gets the nomination I would argue democrats must immediately begin working on 2024. The caucus states have got to go, debates have to be restructured, Iowa must be abandoned as an early barometer and regional primaries must be considered to enhance the prospect of keeping candidates in the race longer. Power has to be returned to the super delegates. That won't be popular but it has to be done. The power of small states cannot be allowed to grow out of proportion to the degree where it defines a national agenda obscuring the interests of the nation at large. We cannot have any more elections where the candidate losing the popular vote actually wins. That is what is going to happen in 2020. Trump may lose by 5 million votes. I'm not sure Texas and Georgia are ready to flip...it could take another 10 years.
Don't ever be mistaken.. we have always been walking down the same road.. I have just been trying to hold you back from running down it.

So i have tried to slow you down..

that you use a negative to promote your own positive.. or a disagreement to automatically become opposing.

You shouldn't label.. It's almost always false advertising and an incomplete ingredients list.

I have not been the activists you have been for as long as you have been....but i think when you have been in that arena for a long time, you forget why you got there in the first place... You just keep punching

Trying to show you that the only thing that matters in America is the How not the what.. the the ends NEVER justify the means.. .. that how you do it determines the right of what you do, and not the what you wants, determines the right of how you do it. That is not categorical for all things .. Just America politics and issue resolutions,
That these are things those you oppose do.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
2/24/2020 5:16 am

I really do not get revelations about things politically.. My thoughts about that has always been the same..
I think different than most others.. Truth in politics is defined by me, as saying something that's not in one's best interest.. It's saying something..I would disagree with.. because it's the right thing to say.
From 1970 on, the Republicans has been corrupted by the fact they couldn't sell.. what they believed to be right,...Not that what they believe was wrong.. It was right and they couldn't sell it.. From that time Republicans became anti-Democracy.. Democracy didn't work for them to be able to do the right thing. So we needed to become a Representative Republic.. not a Democracy.. A Representative Republic, so they could have a chance to sell the right thing. Well Democracy got in the way of that too. So it became necessary to restrict Representation. to get the right things done.. we needed to become more of an autocracy.
It so it became a Republican party, sole consideration that the ends justify the means. How they do it, doesn't matter to them


LeafReport 73M

2/24/2020 8:53 am

Exactly...HOW they do it doesnt matter one iota.