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jiminycricket1 74M
5535 posts
5/25/2020 12:20 pm
We have gone way beyond guideline and orders.


We've gotten the information we need. We don't anymore justification or excuses, or someone BLAME
It's no longer about the country......Both politically and about this virus.


"Footage of packed pool party at Houston club draws criticism"

We need to put things in the proper perspective. We lost to this virus the minute it's destructiveness was known in China.. We were warned by the rest of the world, when they try to isolate the sick from the healthy. It certainly isn't China's fault, nor the rest of the world, or the WHO..
The idea that we were not prepared and had to resort to isolating healthy people from the sick people..Was always going to be a losing battle, designed to prevent losing this WAR against the Virus. Everything that has happened has resulted from our failures in January and February.
March, April, and May we have been hanging on by a thread. but we did hang on...That in itself was a victory.....The thread is secure....The damage done. People, now, have to accept the consequences of their own actions. For the entire country, it ain't going to get any worse than when we were hanging by a thread. It no longer matters to me what the country does.. It only matters what I do. I'm maintaining my lifestyle change until a vaccine is discovered. I don't need an order to do it, nor am I going to change because I have an order not to do it.
I don't need to be a consequence to understand what a consequence is..So,my main purpose is to make sure the rest of country understand it. not so to defeat the virus, but to defeat the real enemy of this country. You got to accept the responsibility for your own actions and their consequences.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/25/2020 12:28 pm

My fear is over... I doubt any of you..Understand what COULD HAVE happened. If people other than Trump.. didn't do what they did.
In the scheme of things, Social Distancing...worked as well as could be expected.
Some people made great sacrificies to see it happen.
We rose to the occasion...But now to continue to ask those people to do what they have been doing.. is just taking advantage.

The die has been cast...Open up.. don't open up.. It all going to end up in the same place.

Now we are just trying to protect America from itself.


LeafReport 73M

5/25/2020 2:23 pm

I don't agree with you here, but I'm afraid my argument to the contrary is pathetically weak. We are indeed at the point of every man for himself. I just am not willing to accept the consequences here. You're talking about reality and there does become a point where you have to do that. Success or failure is of course subjective. But this is far from over so its premature for that. But I heard something this afternoon that was pretty discouraging from an infectious disease expert on TV. A vaccine isn't likely to make much difference for people our age. Does that change your calculation? It should, at least in terms of demanding our leaders stay engaged.

America's governors are for the most part failing. Trump certainly is, the administration is, congress is, local governments are, the world is. The American people are failing. There is no rational excuse for not making wearing a mask in public law...period.

I live on the coast in Virginia and I can't tell you how disappointed I am with southern governors. Those beaches are just ridiculous. If you look at the trend lines only in the northeast are things improving. Everywhere else we have effectively stabilized at the peak. How stupid are we going to be here? Disease is everywhere and what good is it going to be to say in 3 weeks...we should have done this and not that.

WE ARE FAILING...DO NOT ACCEPT FAILING


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/25/2020 5:37 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I don't agree with you here, but I'm afraid my argument to the contrary is pathetically weak. We are indeed at the point of every man for himself. I just am not willing to accept the consequences here. You're talking about reality and there does become a point where you have to do that. Success or failure is of course subjective. But this is far from over so its premature for that. But I heard something this afternoon that was pretty discouraging from an infectious disease expert on TV. A vaccine isn't likely to make much difference for people our age. Does that change your calculation? It should, at least in terms of demanding our leaders stay engaged.

    America's governors are for the most part failing. Trump certainly is, the administration is, congress is, local governments are, the world is. The American people are failing. There is no rational excuse for not making wearing a mask in public law...period.

    I live on the coast in Virginia and I can't tell you how disappointed I am with southern governors. Those beaches are just ridiculous. If you look at the trend lines only in the northeast are things improving. Everywhere else we have effectively stabilized at the peak. How stupid are we going to be here? Disease is everywhere and what good is it going to be to say in 3 weeks...we should have done this and not that.

    WE ARE FAILING...DO NOT ACCEPT FAILING
We are failing?.....Do you mean US is failing...or do you have a mouse in your pocket.

We....... infers to me..that YOU are a failure... Where does your responsibility stops.. It stops when your actions don't lead to consequences .. you are responsible for..

When do you let.. what's going to happen... Happen
When are you going to TRUST People
When are you going stop thinking , you need to tell others what hey should do.
When are you going to stop being responsibile for them, and let them be responsible for themselves.
All the information anyone needs is out there.. They refuse to hear it and understand... YOU CAN'T make them....They have to learn for themselves.
When are you going to believe.. that most people are just like you.
Don't you think the majority of Americans.. will eventually understand

look at sewg response... she understands.. It's no longer her responsibility. she done all She can Do.. It not up to her anymore.

It not everybody for themselves there is only two groups pulling in different direction.. You pull harder when you think you can lose.. You let go..if you can realize the other group is pulling in the wrong direction..
Why do YOU insist on being RESPONSIBLE for THEM


Koffla 68M
12194 posts
5/25/2020 6:42 pm



Most people already have enough information to make an informed decision based on what they think is best for them. At this point is a matter of personal responsibility. This is very simple, those who resist virus regulations should forgo treatment if they get infected. It is as simple as that.



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LeafReport 73M

5/26/2020 3:00 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    We are failing?.....Do you mean US is failing...or do you have a mouse in your pocket.

    We....... infers to me..that YOU are a failure... Where does your responsibility stops.. It stops when your actions don't lead to consequences .. you are responsible for..

    When do you let.. what's going to happen... Happen
    When are you going to TRUST People
    When are you going stop thinking , you need to tell others what hey should do.
    When are you going to stop being responsibile for them, and let them be responsible for themselves.
    All the information anyone needs is out there.. They refuse to hear it and understand... YOU CAN'T make them....They have to learn for themselves.
    When are you going to believe.. that most people are just like you.
    Don't you think the majority of Americans.. will eventually understand

    look at sewg response... she understands.. It's no longer her responsibility. she done all She can Do.. It not up to her anymore.

    It not everybody for themselves there is only two groups pulling in different direction.. You pull harder when you think you can lose.. You let go..if you can realize the other group is pulling in the wrong direction..
    Why do YOU insist on being RESPONSIBLE for THEM
I'm referring to this matter in a broad sense. At every level, government, business and personal behavior failure is far beyond what should be acceptable to everyone and its making matters far worse. We are failing to perform adequately and we need to demand better of us all.


LeafReport 73M

5/26/2020 3:03 am

    Quoting Koffla:


    Most people already have enough information to make an informed decision based on what they think is best for them. At this point is a matter of personal responsibility. This is very simple, those who resist virus regulations should forgo treatment if they get infected. It is as simple as that.

I don't think we are there at all. We have to keep the pressure on leaders and we have to attack this threat aggressively.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
5/26/2020 6:16 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I don't think we are there at all. We have to keep the pressure on leaders and we have to attack this threat aggressively.
So i think you are foolish.. fighting windmills.. because there is no wind.

What don't you understand about "SUSTAINABILITY"

I understand possibilities...I understand interpretation and perceptions. I break it down.. in both context and in the "big picture"..... before I make a decision..My decision aren't always right, and sometimes, like in my writing this.. I'm guessing. ....taking my best guess.

But there are some things...I can make categorical decisions about...When I have sufficient evidence, that removes my fear of being wrong.

Two of those decisions are about the Coronavirus (as we know it) and Trump (his method of governing). I once had fear they would not go away.. I was responsible to make it go away as fast as possible. I was LIKE you.

But I have changed.....When I came to a categorical decision that neither the coronavirus or Trump were SUSTAINABLE.. Instead of making it go away.. it only became how FAST I could make it go away.. I'm not concerned anymore about HOW fast.. I am satisfied, that in my lifetime.. I will see both of them disappear.
I'm knocking on wood ..that I don't die tomorrow. but then again.. I really don't need to see it.. I KNOW it's going to happen.