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The End of OUR Democracy. There are things hard to believe when we always seem to judge it by the tip of the iceberg and our climate change is melting the base.. Foreigners never get to see the base.. Only the outcome from the icerberg's tip. Singularly., as democracy's go, we have always been a mess. But collectively we have been solid as a rock. We lived in an un-democratic society...that defined democracy. It all began with "WE THE PEOPLE".. "We the people" defined democracy.. Through all our misadventures...From slavery to equality, from capitalism to socialism, from war to war, from mythology to science, from corruption to the rule of law, and from truth to lies. Even in our most dire days....."WE THE PEOPLE" defined democracy. But with.. We the People, Union, and Democracy., almost by the nature of it..too many people, too many times.. have gotten the short end of the stick .. the irony is.. the morer the equality... the greater the 'short end" The greater the conflict. So when "We the People" became Some of the People, and A union was defined only by like mindedness, A Democracy became a burden to carry, and fight and fight off... democracy itself, socialism, fascism, and autocracy..Then it no longer became a Democracy. WE never had to defined our democracy through fascism, or socialism, or autocracy as opposing forces.. as even possibilities for US.. Our democracy, defined itself, was not opposing anything.. it incorporated. it all. The end of a democracy is when a significant number of people begin to believe democracy doesn't work for them.. People can talk the game....but at the base of it.. It's really simple.. Those on the far left and those on the far right.. and virtually every single Trump supporter. No longer believes in Our Democracy.. and without the belief in democracy.. democracy doesn't exist. Democracy IS NOT a THING..It's a belief in a thing. WE once believed. |
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Somethings can be fairly obvious.. Through a societies belief. in equality and justice, Through a societies belief in compromise and acceptance, Through a societies belief in respect and Trust.. through a societies belief in Truth and Lies. The imperfect "perfect" Democracy can work.... these are the tenets of a workable Democracy.. Without these tenets ..Capitalism and Democracy would make for strange bedfellows Trump supporters aren't fascists, or autocrats...aren't unreasonable people.. But they truly believe Democracy can't work for them. They may be outnumbered..but they are not "outgunned". They aren't quitting democracy.. they quit believing in Democracy. Those that oppose them can't get them back, without quitting their own belief in democracy. Without doing what they are doing.. It's a done deal for this generation..Our Democracy has ended.
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The idea that Trump is trying to destroy our democracy is laughable.. What's amazing is He didn't even have to try hard to accomplish it..He just took many of US where we wanted to go.
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I know foreigners can't see it. Hell, for the most part, we can't even see it...they can't see how we grew up..what we believed and how we became America..they only see the final result..the changing "tip of the iceberg". With it's flaws. and foibles. with it's injustice and inequality..with it's elitism and power. I am not speaking the truth about Democracy.. there is no truth to democracy.. It only is what you make it.. I am only talking about how America made it. American Democracy.. It may not have been the "light of the world".. but it WAS the light in our eyes .. It's gone.. To US it didn't matter what YOU believed it was....It's was.. what "WE THE PEOPLE" believed it to be. It still is.. but the light has been turned out. You can't appreciate what you want.. until you can appreciate what you have. And sometimes getting what you want.. only destroys what you have. People say they think it's right to love your country, love God, love your neighbor, Love your flag, love your constitution....and love yourself.. Ah but there is a difference between saying and doing.. I see it happening all around me..From the downtrodden to the elite..They are catching a 'virus' without ideology.. without borders. It's a virus without Truth, Trust, Respect and Integrity... It's a virus without LOVE. No treatment for it..No vaccines for it.....Once you catch it.. you can't drop it. And it spreads like wildfire...feeding off itself. "herd immunity" will never be a cure...It will be it's punishment.
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12/15/2020 10:54 am |
I disagree here. The end of democracy is not in belief that democracy doesn't work for someone. The end comes when the vote disappears. Democracy always prevails, always, when the battle of ideas encompasses the integrity of the representative vote. When you compromise representation, like what happens with voter suppression efforts and there are many forms of that, or things like census manipulation and gerrymandering and even procedural abuses like filibusters used to prevent votes instead of delaying them, and court abuses as well. It is these things that hinder democracy's promise. Democracy protects us from bad policy while allowing for imperfection. Without it we are guaranteed decay. History makes that case time after time.
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I disagree here. The end of democracy is not in belief that democracy doesn't work for someone. The end comes when the vote disappears. Democracy always prevails, always, when the battle of ideas encompasses the integrity of the representative vote. When you compromise representation, like what happens with voter suppression efforts and there are many forms of that, or things like census manipulation and gerrymandering and even procedural abuses like filibusters used to prevent votes instead of delaying them, and court abuses as well. It is these things that hinder democracy's promise. Democracy protects us from bad policy while allowing for imperfection. Without it we are guaranteed decay. History makes that case time after time. you are dealing with small potatoes that have been infected. Infected with distrust. With distrust we no longer can believe.. 71 Million people voted for Trump.... 71 million people distrust our democracy. Maybe you can change their mind? That's not why.. I say... OUR Democracy has ended. No matter what Those 71 million people say or do.. I can no longer believe in our democracy.. They have succeeded in destroying it..Not because they don't trust ME.........Because.. no matter what I CAN NO LONGER TRUST THEM.
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Somethings can be fairly obvious.. Through a societies belief. in equality and justice, Through a societies belief in compromise and acceptance, Through a societies belief in respect and Trust.. through a societies belief in Truth and Lies. The imperfect "perfect" Democracy can work.... these are the tenets of a workable Democracy.. Without these tenets ..Capitalism and Democracy would make for strange bedfellows Trump supporters aren't fascists, or autocrats...aren't unreasonable people.. But they truly believe Democracy can't work for them. They may be outnumbered..but they are not "outgunned". They aren't quitting democracy.. they quit believing in Democracy. Those that oppose them can't get them back, without quitting their own belief in democracy. Without doing what they are doing.. It's a done deal for this generation..Our Democracy has ended.
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Seems to me that your ideas are all based on abstractions.......on "beliefs" rather than factual, physical realities... It's all in degrees.. From a pure physical reality.. like I exist.. To a pure belief... like god exist.. everything in between has both a physical reality and a belief. For example, love is a belief.. and love is physical reality.. Without belief the physical reality is not Love For me love, is not an abstraction.. Hopefully it's not also a fantasy...like God,, Yet we differ in how we see it.. God is the most fantasy abstraction..Yet even so.. as a belief, it can manifest itself in a physical reality. Within the strength of that belief, and when lacking in hypocrisy.. It can be as much a physical reality as anything. Against such evidence... who's to say.. certainly not YOU.. I hope you can live in both the abstraction and the reality.. i feel sorry for you.. If you can't.
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Well it's clearly our difference.. i believe every physical reality is manifested in a belief. It's all in degrees.. From a pure physical reality.. like I exist.. To a pure belief... like god exist.. everything in between has both a physical reality and a belief. For example, love is a belief.. and love is physical reality.. Without belief the physical reality is not Love For me love, is not an abstraction.. Hopefully it's not also a fantasy...like God,, Yet we differ in how we see it.. God is the most fantasy abstraction..Yet even so.. as a belief, it can manifest itself in a physical reality. Within the strength of that belief, and when lacking in hypocrisy.. It can be as much a physical reality as anything. Against such evidence... who's to say.. certainly not YOU.. I hope you can live in both the abstraction and the reality.. i feel sorry for you.. If you can't. Love is a feeling.....an emotion.....feelings don't require belief in order to be experienced.....Belief can only become physical reality through Human actions.....You have the belief that every physical reality is manifested in a belief.....Wow, that seems extremely restricting......So when you watch a flock of birds dancing across the sky you are compelled to form a belief about it?' So sad....
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12/16/2020 3:11 am |
I'm going to side with Sparkle on this one Cricket.
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"A belief is an attitude that something is the case, or that some proposition about the world is true. In epistemology, philosophers use the term "belief" to refer to attitudes about the world which can be either true or false."....wiki Love is a feeling.....an emotion.....feelings don't require belief in order to be experienced.....Belief can only become physical reality through Human actions.....You have the belief that every physical reality is manifested in a belief.....Wow, that seems extremely restricting......So when you watch a flock of birds dancing across the sky you are compelled to form a belief about it?' So sad.... We as human are limited by the power of our senses.. Our truth rests within that power.. i don't wish to argue the point.. but I believe there more to reality than the power of our sense.. I believe in the reality of the unknown. Our truths are solely based on common human realities. For example. the flock of birds flying over head exists only as a common human reality. That doesn't negate the truth of it.. it's questions the reality of it. It questions what are birds? ..What is flying? and what is overhead? It assumes everyone and everything would see the exact same thing.. History tells us that human realities can be changed. For example the world is flat..human evidence at that time would make that a reality.. The world was not flat.. But the belief it was.... made it a human reality. So what you say is TRUE.....I do not challenge the truth in it.. I challenge the reality of it. Better yet.. our realities are different...both in belief and in the physical reality. I say your belief make your reality true You say your the view of YOUR Physical reality... makes my belief and reality untrue. Given the circumstance that neither one us is Insane.. My reality is.. I can trace everyone of the world's problems back to Your Kind of Human belief.
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"A belief is an attitude that something is the case, or that some proposition about the world is true. In epistemology, philosophers use the term "belief" to refer to attitudes about the world which can be either true or false."....wiki Love is a feeling.....an emotion.....feelings don't require belief in order to be experienced.....Belief can only become physical reality through Human actions.....You have the belief that every physical reality is manifested in a belief.....Wow, that seems extremely restricting......So when you watch a flock of birds dancing across the sky you are compelled to form a belief about it?' So sad.... That physical reality can only be manifested in what you BELIEVE love is It's not the same for everybody.. When you can understand that .. you can understand... a flock of birds flying overhead is not the same for everybody. One's belief changes the physical reality. Like "Beauty".. Which we may think of as a physical reality.. When in fact... i don't know in the physical reality....WTF beauty is?. Your art can be beautiful.. the physical reality is it's just paint on a canvas..But that's not all it is. You want to Make your"flock of birds".. Simply, That's all it is?.... But beauty does exist, because i believe it does. And ONLY What I believe it is.. It is..And only what you believe it is..It is..One doesn't negate the other.
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I'm going to side with Sparkle on this one Cricket. Silence, of course may not be agreement....but it is enabling. Now .. getting down to the point.. THE IRONY.. Is I say NOTHING. that disagrees with Sparkle, In my view. Certainly in her view.. I do.. The irony is.. she searches to find disagreement, with my agreement with her. Don't you find that strange? Now when I try to not to disagree... but expand what she says.. She certainly has the right to disagree with that expansion.. But even so.. she never agrees.. to what is my agreement with her? She colors the whole thing bad.. Now.. I write this stuff for really only purpose to try and expand my own narrowmindedness. In so doing.. I come to realize that to different degrees we are all narrowminded. I think in some circumstances that is a necessity.. But not in all. Getting things done,, requires a certain amount of narrowmindedness. Being totally open minded would handcuff US, as we must prioritize.... I hate Trump.. because he is the epitome of narrowmindeness..his narrowmindedness voids any possible agreement I could have with him about ANYTHING. If you think about it. maybe you can understand how i feel.. And if you don't give a shit..And believe what I say is somehow against you... like sparkle does..So be it Or If the mere fact.. I say I hate Trump is enough for you... So be it, too
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12/16/2020 10:52 am |
When have you NOT? Silence, of course may not be agreement....but it is enabling. Now .. getting down to the point.. THE IRONY.. Is I say NOTHING. that disagrees with Sparkle, In my view. Certainly in her view.. I do.. The irony is.. she searches to find disagreement, with my agreement with her. Don't you find that strange? Now when I try to not to disagree... but expand what she says.. She certainly has the right to disagree with that expansion.. But even so.. she never agrees.. to what is my agreement with her? She colors the whole thing bad.. Now.. I write this stuff for really only purpose to try and expand my own narrowmindedness. In so doing.. I come to realize that to different degrees we are all narrowminded. I think in some circumstances that is a necessity.. But not in all. Getting things done,, requires a certain amount of narrowmindedness. Being totally open minded would handcuff US, as we must prioritize.... I hate Trump.. because he is the epitome of narrowmindeness..his narrowmindedness voids any possible agreement I could have with him about ANYTHING. If you think about it. maybe you can understand how i feel.. And if you don't give a shit..And believe what I say is somehow against you... like sparkle does..So be it Or If the mere fact.. I say I hate Trump is enough for you... So be it, too
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I don't see any possible value in responding to that Cricket. There's no real point to it. I don't think you understand the essence of the question here, let alone your own answer. You're the one who broadcasts your hate for Trump so that's your gig. For me I've laid out my own case here. Your hate for Trump is not enough for me, not even close. He's like a gnat swirling around a much bigger pile of shit. I see Trump as a pile of shit that the gnats swirl around.. Gnats are just gnats... But a pile of shit without gnats is just excrement And gnats without a pile of shit are just another fly in the ointment.
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