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jiminycricket1 74M
5508 posts
1/11/2021 5:52 am
The Fate of the Republican Party


There may be a different way of looking at it.
This has never been a battle for Democracy.....

I am a firm believer that people who hate........ .hate themselves.... Hate their own failure.

I have refused to call Trump or trump supporters Republicans, even ones who Choose to identify themselves as such. They have always just been a suppress minority..Who can NOT deal with the appearance of the successes of other suppressed minorities..especially the ones of color.

In truth, everyone of the trump supporters feels marginalized..but the true target of that marginalization has been the Republican Party. They were marginalized , in this Democracy, by their own Party... who gave them "lip service" but no results.
In truth RINO's .. Are not liberals who disguise themselves as Republicans.. but Republicans who have failed to achieve what some people believe the Republican Party SHOULD BE..and SHOULD be able to achieve.
The success these people desired and achieved was a takeover of the Republican Party..They are Represented by Trump.

What they don't understand was their path to achieve it was never a policy one but a practical political one.. Politics made it so their so-called RINO's couldn't fight back..
Trump supporters believed they succeeded in the Republican party takeover.They believed they became the MAJORITY voice.
but it was always a fake impression....A politically convenient one for the true Republicans..the Capital attack proved that.

That battle for the Republican party comes to ahead.. when the fate of the Republican party and not political success is in the balance.

Trump never could have succeeded without this dynamic of the Republican Party.. To create a coalition of different, dissatisfied, marginalized, minority Republicans,
It has always been doomed to failure .. when true American Republicans decide to take back their name.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/11/2021 6:33 am

Trumps tenure as the Republican Party leader is over... the marginalized minority Republican groups will go back to the way it was.. It will take some time, as they will try to coalesce into a different party.. that is doomed to failure.
The mantle of being marginalized will return to it's proper democratic perspective..
In America it's PROPER for white supremacists, anarchists, evangelicals, racists, insurgents, militiamen, fascists and fanatics to be marginalized..

The majority of this country has always been moderately Right...With a small dose of compassion, empathy, and liberalism....and guard-railed by integrity and principles.

Let that be warning to Socialist Democrats.. who believe they can create their own majority...and believe they themselves have been marginalized, and DESERVE a better shake ...
That would be an ironic possibility... that the Republican party can become dominant as moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans.. return to a majority Moderate Right fold.
Be careful what you wish for....


NDGal2021 67F

1/11/2021 7:19 am

Good Points JC
AnD Contrary To SFF Opinions
I Did Not Vote Trump 2016
Just 2020
I Actually Want Nikki Haley 2024
But Trump Will Ve The FRONTRUNNER
75 Million Supporters Aren’t Going Anywhere
What Trump Did Jan 6th Was Not Impeachable
Free Speech Never Is
I Hated His Speech-felt It Was a Bit Over The
Top
But That’s Trump


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/11/2021 9:00 am

I wrote this to a Facebook friend.. I hope it shows you.. I treat my friends the same as I treat my enemies. Probably why i have more enemies than friends. It's was a blog about the silencing of Trump on social media..

The Rights to liberty can seem to be carte blanche. but there has to be some guardrails .. like LAWS for example..The idea of one's rights can be taken at face value.. so the idea of abusing ones own rights can also acceptable. But a premise of our country is that it's okay to abuse ones rights.. if in fact it doesn't abuse other's rights.
So it comes down to whether or not you believe Trump is lying. You can believe he's lying and that too is his right.. it's totally up to the believer and not the teller....
You can believe he's lying, but doesn't have the right to hurt other with it.. that's why we have laws........
Or you can believe he's telling the truth, in which case the "other stuff" doesn't matter.. if you believe that....Rights have nothing to do with it... the problem is... WTF is wrong with YOU?

The irony to me...Is that you actually believe that what Trump says.. whether it be the truth or a lie... hurts Democrats and liberals, and socialists makes them for a change "the victims"..you believed yourself to be from THEM.. You like that idea..
But you don't get it... YOU are the victim of it. You are the only ones Trump actually can victimize. From day one..when he first decided to run for president.. YOU have been his intended VICTIMS. if you live long enough there will come a time.. You will realize what he did to YOU.


NDGal2021 67F

1/11/2021 9:27 am

Wrong!! I rarely Believe What Trump Says
I Like Him For His Policies JC
Rarely Have I Liked The Man
NOT A Maga person-Never Have Been
I’m Just Waiting For The Left To Realize What
They Did By Voting The Ticket You Voted
Talk To Me A Yr From Now
Let’s See Then
The Thing Is-Most Have Said Including Left
Media That Biden’s Coalition Will Fall Apart
He Promised Dirt Poor Georgians A 2000 Stimulus Payment
Not Happening
When Gas is 5-6 A Gallon See How Happy Libs
Are Then
Most Voted Biden Because Of Hatred For Trump
Even Interviewed MOST Had No Idea What
Biden Ever Accomplished In 47 Yrs
Nothing!!!


LeafReport 73M

1/11/2021 10:31 am

Hi Cricket. I think there's a solid argument for what you're suggesting....but, your suggestion is obsolete. It would be difficult for me to challenge many of your assumptions before Donald Trump entered the race for President. But once he did the veil came off. We were able to peek inside the cult thanks to Mitt Romney. The infamous 47% comment just changed everything. I think Dick Cheney succeeded in convincing republicans being an asshole is actually ok. It was never ok with former senator Flake of Arizona, or Bob Corker of Tennessee. But Romney was really the first to conclude that the lie just didn't live up to the harm politicians from both parties feared, and rightfully so. Trump wasn't the only one who noticed this. He completed the equation by mainstreaming racism and the rest is history.

However, there remains one big mystery. What is it with the Russians? I have boiled this down to three possibilities from a political perspective. First, by cozying up to the Russians Trump separates himself from 'losing'...taking a position other than Romney took and he already knew America was more powerful than Russia, by a lot, and that he could manipulate NATO exactly the way he actually did. Second - Trump is simply under blackmail threat from the Russians. He dabbled in politics for years and I think Trump was cleverly recruited to run. The Russians aren't stupid. They helped Trump see how he could use race to further his goals and theirs. I hope someday we get to the truth. There is something there we just do not know. Lastly, the Russians had to have a plan for either a Trump win or a loss. What they couldn't have planned for was the murder in Minneapolis and the massive protests of BLM that ensued. Also, they couldn't have foreseen the implosion of the NRA. I just don't believe the Russians ever thought Joe Biden would emerge as the man who just knows 'us'. You couldn't blame the Russians for not seeing that. Even if they did, it was only because they may have feared the power of Obama to carry Joe over the finish line. South Carolina was the joker in the deck. Election rigging was plan B. They almost pulled it off. Now we have one hell of problem to clean up.

The republican party today is a dangerous lot. The Jeff Flake's of the world are long gone. What's left is exactly what you saw last week...from top to bottom. Just look at who they elected and what those representatives have done.

I don't know about others...but I get it and so do the thousands smart enough to have bailed out of the republican party well before last Wednesday. The real question is how many more actually do. The FBI is going to be busy for a long long time.


LeafReport 73M

1/11/2021 10:32 am

As far as Fargo is concerned...it just doesn't get more stupid than that.


LeafReport 73M

1/11/2021 10:43 am

One final thought. My comments mostly speak to your first post. That's enough for now. However, when Romney drew applause from senators saying...something to the effect of just telling the American people the truth...well, that's when I forgave him for his lies. His impeachment vote still hadn't been enough for me....but that statement was.


LeafReport 73M

1/11/2021 10:46 am

It is always interesting to speculate. But as long as we have one big piece of the puzzle missing...the Russians, we'll never know for sure. It will be fascinating to know IF the FBI ever identifies a foreign operative inside the Capitol. I'm betting Americans will never know the answer to that question.


NDGal2021 67F

1/11/2021 11:52 am

Trumps Got The Goods On Nancy
All That Was Taken At The Capital
Leafy Just Doesn’t Want To Accept The Cold
Hard Facts
Put Your Seat Belt On
This Is Going To Get Better And better


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/11/2021 12:14 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    It is always interesting to speculate. But as long as we have one big piece of the puzzle missing...the Russians, we'll never know for sure. It will be fascinating to know IF the FBI ever identifies a foreign operative inside the Capitol. I'm betting Americans will never know the answer to that question.
You're making Trump the focus.. What was Trump motivation? well it doesn't really matter.. Russia is what it is..
and we have done nothing to stop it.

NATO, Syria, Ukraine, assassinations, Turkey, Eastern Europe, bounties on
American soldiers, computer hacking, interference with elections, propaganda.

We've gone way beyond the point of what trump is....in regards to Russia,..
A traitor, complicit, a cooperative, a compatriot, financially dependent, a fan .. In need of an ally, a deal maker, or whether Trump is on top or on the bottom of that relationship.
It doesn't matter anymore.. You don't need to figure it out.. Whatever he is.. Trump is a Liar...Trump has Never told the truth about Russia...NEVER
The way i see it..Trump and Russia are compatriots in dishonesty.. are compatriots in the Art of the Deal.. The irony, of course, is we believe we could have bigger threats from countries like China, Iran, and North Korea. The irony, that even though those countries as bad as the are..they are not as dishonest as Trump or Russia. America knows who those countries are.

Now accept the facts.. Russia is what it is..and Trump is what he is..and as long as Trump was president...we wouldn't know shit about either. That , my friend, is the Art of the Deal...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/11/2021 1:09 pm

    Quoting NDGal2021:
    Wrong!! I rarely Believe What Trump Says
    I Like Him For His Policies JC
    Rarely Have I Liked The Man
    NOT A Maga person-Never Have Been
    I’m Just Waiting For The Left To Realize What
    They Did By Voting The Ticket You Voted
    Talk To Me A Yr From Now
    Let’s See Then
    The Thing Is-Most Have Said Including Left
    Media That Biden’s Coalition Will Fall Apart
    He Promised Dirt Poor Georgians A 2000 Stimulus Payment
    Not Happening
    When Gas is 5-6 A Gallon See How Happy Libs
    Are Then
    Most Voted Biden Because Of Hatred For Trump
    Even Interviewed MOST Had No Idea What
    Biden Ever Accomplished In 47 Yrs
    Nothing!!!
I rarely respond to you.. since you understood something I said..Yet misunderstood it's overall meaning.. I thought i would try to clarify.. without bringing up politics......

They say you can only hurt the ones you love... that's BULLSHIT.. You can only hurt the ones that love you..
Truly it is gender specific.. Women could do it .. but only as an act of revenge.. Men do it.. because they are MEN..For some men.. being a man is having the power to hurt someone..

A women needs to careful about who and what they love.

Especially when a man shows you and tells you..what they are going to do.
A women Trump supporters is just vengeful or Stupid. I'm voting Stupid..
How many times does a woman have to make excuses for him.. How many times does a woman have to justify themselves, how many times does woman have to ignore the FACTS...
It's the same if a women takes on a false lover, or supports Trump..
In both cases they get doubly f*cked!


LeafReport 73M

1/12/2021 2:43 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    You're making Trump the focus.. What was Trump motivation? well it doesn't really matter.. Russia is what it is..
    and we have done nothing to stop it.

    NATO, Syria, Ukraine, assassinations, Turkey, Eastern Europe, bounties on
    American soldiers, computer hacking, interference with elections, propaganda.

    We've gone way beyond the point of what trump is....in regards to Russia,..
    A traitor, complicit, a cooperative, a compatriot, financially dependent, a fan .. In need of an ally, a deal maker, or whether Trump is on top or on the bottom of that relationship.
    It doesn't matter anymore.. You don't need to figure it out.. Whatever he is.. Trump is a Liar...Trump has Never told the truth about Russia...NEVER
    The way i see it..Trump and Russia are compatriots in dishonesty.. are compatriots in the Art of the Deal.. The irony, of course, is we believe we could have bigger threats from countries like China, Iran, and North Korea. The irony, that even though those countries as bad as the are..they are not as dishonest as Trump or Russia. America knows who those countries are.

    Now accept the facts.. Russia is what it is..and Trump is what he is..and as long as Trump was president...we wouldn't know shit about either. That , my friend, is the Art of the Deal...
We are talking about two different things here Cricket and it does matter. The GOP has been infected to an alarming degree. This party really isn't the way you attempted to characterize it today. We are being destroyed from within and Trump is the vehicle not the focus. That's the point I've always been trying to make. This stinks from top to bottom and the foreign influence investigation has been thwarted to the point where last Wednesday happened. You might recall I wrote several days ago that my fears always centered on these militias and trouble I saw brewing that might materialize in the states. Michigan, as shocking at it was, was preseason compared to last Wednesday. Now we find the FBI issuing bulletins pointing to all 50 states. That's one hell of a problem given so many of those states already governed by the Republican party. Fascism is the focus my friend, not Trump. It's the vehicles that are threatening our democracy....Senator Cotton, Hawley, even nuts in the House like Jordan and Mo Brooks are dangerous vehicles paving the road for others. America has to get to the bottom of how the Russians got to Trump so we can better inform the American people and untangle this growing mess. Wednesday showed us that the right wing fringe is a lot bigger than we all thought. It's a top to bottom problem now.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/12/2021 5:49 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    We are talking about two different things here Cricket and it does matter. The GOP has been infected to an alarming degree. This party really isn't the way you attempted to characterize it today. We are being destroyed from within and Trump is the vehicle not the focus. That's the point I've always been trying to make. This stinks from top to bottom and the foreign influence investigation has been thwarted to the point where last Wednesday happened. You might recall I wrote several days ago that my fears always centered on these militias and trouble I saw brewing that might materialize in the states. Michigan, as shocking at it was, was preseason compared to last Wednesday. Now we find the FBI issuing bulletins pointing to all 50 states. That's one hell of a problem given so many of those states already governed by the Republican party. Fascism is the focus my friend, not Trump. It's the vehicles that are threatening our democracy....Senator Cotton, Hawley, even nuts in the House like Jordan and Mo Brooks are dangerous vehicles paving the road for others. America has to get to the bottom of how the Russians got to Trump so we can better inform the American people and untangle this growing mess. Wednesday showed us that the right wing fringe is a lot bigger than we all thought. It's a top to bottom problem now.
For us to see eye to eye we have to define a few things.. We have to agree to a few things..

First let me ask you...ARE YOU A SOCIALIST? Do believe this country should be run as a Socialist state?

I would think not.. unless you are a subversive and are trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

On that basis it would be the way i define a Fascist..I accept it as self defining.. but not as....alleging it, by your definition. Your defining Them as fascist is the same as them defining you as socialists.
You would use their actions to define your idea of Fascism.. that are not Fascists,, it's what you want to see.. Actions could be based on different things, that do not define Fascism.. but seem to erroneously define it for you.
By the way you define it.. Capitalism, religion, racism, elitism, anarchy, chaos,and Lies.. can all be defined as fascist.
In fact the way you define it.. Fascism has existed in this country for 245 years. by the way you define it. Fascist Republicans have existed ever since the "New Deal"
You see corporate fascists, evangelical fascists, business owner fascists, White trash fascists, rural fascists, self Centered fascists, Cult fascists, entitled Fascists,
And almost all Republicans as fringe right Wing fascists..
.
As they call you, me, and anyone who disagrees with them a Socialist Liberal Democrat. You call them fascists

It's all about LABELS.. and their labels are no different than your labels, and it just creates A self perpetuating division
But you think you're right and they are wrong..You're both fricken wrong. Being more right or more wrong..doesn't cut it for me.

For me .. I define Trump and his Republican Party..As a coalition of all the things You think are fascist.....But fascism isn't what holds them together ..each THING opposes the other.....
They form a coalition of people in this country.. who never really believed in democracy.. who believe they are being disenfranchised, and marginalized by American democracy. Fascism has nothing to do with it.. It's about POWER and control..and how that is exemplified in their leader Donald J Trump. The problem they have... is if they ever did take over.. they would not know what WTF to do with it, they could agree on....I guarantee you fascism isn't it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/12/2021 6:22 am

You don't fight against all their policy.. You fight against their CONTROL

They don't fight against all your policies.. they fight against your CONTROL

What happens is enacting policies .. become about control.. You and they are against enacting the policies .. simply because it indicative of someone elses control
Policies have nothing to do with it.

That is battle they believe they had won with Trump...that is battle you think you won by getting rid of trump.the problem is.. with or without trump that battle is going to rage on.
Until every body come to their senses and understands American Democracy is NOT about who CONTROLS it.
It the broader view of fascism..and MY definition.. it doesn't matter what you call it... Socialism , Democracy, Republican, Democrat, Liberal. or conservative..
When it becomes simply about Control..
it all becomes FASCIST.
If I would choose to agree with your indention and incorporate my own.
"Them and YOU" are "more or less" fascists.. And I could give a shit about who's the "more or less".


LeafReport 73M

1/12/2021 6:25 am

Nope I'm not a socialist at all but I do think capitalism is broken. America is ready for and needs a hybrid system. Astonishing innovation in the last 25 years has created that reality. Not acting 15 years ago has deepened the problem.


NDGal2021 67F

1/12/2021 9:12 am

Democrat Party Communist Party


LeafReport 73M

1/12/2021 11:10 am

    Quoting NDGal2021:
    Democrat Party Communist Party
You are fat, stupid, a liar and you're perverse. Shouldn't you be shoveling shit in the barn?


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/13/2021 2:02 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    Nope I'm not a socialist at all but I do think capitalism is broken. America is ready for and needs a hybrid system. Astonishing innovation in the last 25 years has created that reality. Not acting 15 years ago has deepened the problem.
The control thing has been a pendulum swing for many years..Republican didn't like it,, but could live with it as long as they thought it could swing back to them.

So for the last 80 years Republicans have lived with it. Back and Forth it went..Not a totally bad thing..

But when Obama got elected.. It changed everything..It became clear to Republican that a successful Obama Could prevent the swing back to them.
They hated Obama for it.. .It was never about Obama's policies. It was about the direction of the country. Obama wasn't a socialist,, wasn't a "black man" wasn't a Muslim, wasn't born in a foreign country.
The problem with Obama was he was an American and a Democrat, who, if given the chance, could appeal to everybody.
Republican couldn't allow him to be seen that way, especially by their own party members.
They obstructed, and lied about Obama.. it became their only goal
They did one hell of a job..That's what the set the stage for denying the truth, and making the truth whatever you wanted it to be. Republican got a toy to play with for success. They once could stretch the parameters of the truth.. Now they can just blow the truth out of the water. they proved they could do it.

Trump became their trophy President for that success.. The election of trump was not a policy matter, but proof positive of their success

They thought they could continue it.... But That never stood a chance as the Republican "house" was now built on sand, obstruction, and Lies.
They didn't realize.. they could f*ck US from behind.. but couldn't come with it when they had to look US in the eye.