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Is Haiti getting a Message? ........Many are being very critical of Pat Robertson and Danny Glover over their remarks concerning the earthquake disaster in Haiti. Now I cannot speak for Mr Glover about his Global Warming remarks, but as a Christian I can understand what Mr Robertson is speaking about...... .......Haiti was a disaster before this disaster. Billions have been poured into this Island Country prior to the earthquake to combat various social ills and infrastructure to no avail. The VooDoo beliefs and other similar cults have hindered progress that Haiti so badly needed over the years. A disaster on this scale is a result of it all. I do believe this is what Mr Robertson meant in his remarks, not that God was punishing anybody because of some pact with the Devil. I also believe that if not for religious efforts from Christan organizations Haiti would be considerably worse off than it finds itself in now. Many Christian based Churches throughout the world provide medicine, food, shelter and spiritual assistance to the Island for many years prior to the earthquake. They have done so not out profit or gain but of compassion for their fellow man.... Mr Robertson's ending remarks to his controversial statement has not been reported because the Liberal media and pundits want to marginalize and mock Christian leaders such as he is. Taking things out of context is the hallmark of the Left.....Mr Robertson's ending remark; "They need to have and we need to pray for them a great turning to God. And out of this tragedy, I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now, we're helping the suffering people, and the suffering is unimaginable."..... .....When Mr Robertson does speaks about "the devil" he is not talking about a guy who runs around in a cute little red suit he is referring to the evil that corrupts society. When comedian Flip Wilson in his act said "The devil made me do it." that was just a cop out. Anyone who has ever raised a knows that left to his/her own devices and given no direction or moral values he/she will be a disaster. It is this very nurturing of moral/ character values that separate us from the Animal Kingdom. It has been our Judeo-Christian heritage that has brought us the progress that is lacking in other cultures. Despite its faults Judeo-Christian values have done more for this world than any other belief system........... ......Haiti needs help but more importantly it needs prayer. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine |
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In praise of those holier than thou Seeing the light knowing the where, when and how The view from the mansion upon the hill of the valley of dolls knowing God's will In the horns of plenty A man in a red suit that plays the fiddle but not very cute
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So you are saying that the people in this third world nation deserve what happened to them because they are Non-Christians. That is ridculous and so is Pat Robinson. Abracadabra 
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1/16/2010 10:56 am |
starwymn not very nice putting words in my mouth I said no such thing. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/16/2010 12:11 pm |
hmmmmmmmmmmm i always thought earthquakes were the result od of continental drift which has been going on for millions of years or was this planned then by the future seeing god who set it all in motion because he knew that in so many millions of years the population would become corrupt i find it strange then that the churches also got damaged and i am sure some of the dead and hurt folk there are christians too or did god miraculously save them???? sounds more like religious propaganda to me [ though i didnt see or hear the said remarks
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1/16/2010 12:27 pm |
Daylilly for once I agree until you added "nothing else" "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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I dont see Starwomyn putting words in your mouth 60min... you do seem to be saying that if the people of Haiti turned to God, they might not be suffering. Or, at least, that if they were Christian they wouldn't be in this predicament now. What does that say about your belief in freedom of religion? This disaster did not happen because they are not Christian, and it diod not happen because of politics. It's a natural disaster like the forest fires California has each year, or Like Katrina or many other disasters. Praying for a "massive turn to God" wont exactly help them at this moment, will it? Surely, better to pray for their human lives and medical aid, rather than that they all convert to any religion. They need practical help, food water doctors, rescuers and shelter as a matter of great urgency[/B. What does it matter what anyone believes...they are human beings and each one of us has a moral responsibility to come to the aid of people suffering disasters on this scale. Compassion has nothing to do with religious belief...it is a pretty normal human emotion which has absolutely nothing to do with politics or religion. That's why there are aid organisations of all religious and non religious beliefs...thousands of them in fact, with absolutely no religious connections, and millions of non-Christians work with them. In fact, most of the world's best known charity organisations are non-religious. Do a search...I guarantee you'll be surprised.
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Rich, your last sentence is one of the most evil comments I've read in SFF. I thought that sort superstition died out hundreds of years ago.
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1/16/2010 2:25 pm |
If you use the rationale that the evil of "voodoo" or some other non-main stream religion might warrant a natural disaster then Somalia would have self-destructed decades ago. Their economic woes are, as some have already stated, due to political corruption and mismanagement. An interesting observation for those who disagree should include the fact that the United States appears to be headed in the same direction. When the "super volcano" under Yellowstone Nation Park explodes there will not be any outside aid. There will not be any outside assistance. We will be on our own. Guess what? We are not a nation of "voodoo" doctors and believers.
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1/16/2010 2:28 pm |
I agree Gary ....perhaps you can tell me where I said what caused the earthquake in this blog? "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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Katie - I 100 % agree with both of your comments. 
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60min.. See if you can understand this.... I'm not saying you are sinful, misquided, corrupt, or evil. However, let me say this.....We all need to pray for you!
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1/17/2010 8:10 am |
Thanks Jiminy I need all that I can handle, but Haiti needs it more. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/17/2010 7:56 pm |
".....I do believe this is what Mr Robertson meant in his remarks, not that God was punishing anybody because of some pact with the Devil...." Go back and review the clip from Robinson's "700 Club" broadcast. There can be no mistaking that the Idiot Robinson said this and it is EXACTLY what he meant. The man is a disgrace.... and it the antithesis of what a religious leader should be and should espouse.... How silly... a "God" who is mean, destructive and vindictive is quite the OPPOSITE of what many Christians believe THEIR "God" to be.... all-loving.... How can anyone give credence to Robinson?????
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I agree Gary ....perhaps you can tell me where I said what caused the earthquake in this blog? Didn't it occur to you that the title which you chose for this blog says it all? With a title like that you can hardly accuse people of "putting words in your mouth."
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1/18/2010 12:09 pm |
Ackman....the only thing that is a disgrace is your comment. CBN of which Mr Robertson is chairman released the following expenditures for 2007. Operation blessing and humanitarian relief $234,899,791. Domestic evangelistic outreach $98,869,922. International evangelistic outreach $72,619,514 Counseling and prayer $13,461,053. Donations to others to further the gospel $1,822,013 Worldwide distribution of religious materials $1,426,888. Education and training $908,183. Total: $424,007,364. I guess you consider all that a disgrace? I consider it remakable. "The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind."....T. Paine
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1/18/2010 8:06 pm |
60min: I made no comment as to the generous expenditures that CBN has made in humanitarian or any other aid.... I simply said that Robinson is a mean-spirited S.O.B..... quite contrary to what a TRUE "Christian" leader would/should be..... One doesn't get a Free Pass from being an S.O.B. simply by being the chairman of a noble organization.... in fact - doesn't that make it all the more difficult to understand what must go on in Mr Robinson's head? The paradox of the two (mean S.O.B. - vs - noble organization) shows just how forked is the tongue with which Robinson speaks....
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60 min. We tend to judge statements made by Robertson and Limbaugh as their truth. I never do. I do not believe, they believe what they say is 100% the truth. What I do believe is that their agenda is so strong in them, that fullfilling that agenda is more important than the truth. The ends justify the means. One of the hardest things in human nature is condemn the "means" of those who you would agree with, to their "ends" Being a Muslim and condemn the bombing of Jews or Americans. Being Pro-life, and condemn those that would kill to stop abortions. Being Christian and condemn those that seem to give their life to Christ. Being Irish Catholic and condemn the IRA Being Rwandan Hutu and condemn other Hutu's genocide of the Tutsi For most, even their condemnation of these attrocity is not heartfelt but simply rhetoric. For either way, they see their own victory. I believe the true test of right, is that it conquers all. I believe that the means of some, can destroy the right I believe that we needs to judge only the "means" I believe that those that want to "speed up" the process of right, by any means, only slow it down. I belive that in their methods... Robertson hurts Christianity I believe that Limbaugh, hurts the rightness of the Right I believe that the use of fear to exploit the fearful, hurts us all
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