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Skariff2 64M
3700 posts
9/13/2017 11:14 am
Hillary Clinton's loss


In the most recent presidential election Hillary Clinton made many mistakes. This comes as a bit of a shock to me since Bill Clinton, one of the premiere politicians of the 29th century, was her key adviser. Nonetheless, mistakes were made, and she has admitted her mistakes. She has stated innumerable times the use of private emails was a serious mistake, to name the most public of those mistakes. Her defeat, however, was not due exclusively to her own mistakes. There is the Comey announcements regarding his investigation coupled with the unsolicited opinion regarding the propriety of the some of the emails. But I don't see how anyone can dismiss the concerted efforts of the Trump campaign to denigrate her and portray her as an inferior candidate.

First and foremost, the Trump/Russian connection provided Candidate Trump with information he would never have obtained without the Russian hacking expertise. The current investigation, while seen as prejudicial by the right wing, lends credence to theory Russian intervention was clearly skewed toward producing a Trump victory. To his credit, Candidate Trump won the election, to the detriment of the nation, Candidate Trump won the election. The Russian connection was an integral part of the Trump strategy, despite the knowledge there would be a quid pro quo for the benefits bestowed upon the Trump campaign. All of this returns us to the principle philosophy of the Trump family, the almighty dollar. Nothing else really matters.

The other issue completely overlooked by both President Trump and his faithful followers. The media was a major force in elevating a worshiped "job creator" to the presidency. Candidate Trump said and did things with impunity for which other candidates would have been politically crucified. He made outrageous speeches promising unobtainable goals, he was impudent, he was brash and obscene, all of which fostered the sensationalism over which the press languishes. It has been estimated Candidate Trump received billions of dollars of free publicity for his uncivilized rhetoric while his erstwhile 30% consumed it with joy and adoration. Today these reporters spew "fake news". Apparently the nonsense he vomited during the campaign was real.

I point this out because he used the same tactic on Hillary Clinton as he did on
his Republican opponents. "Lyin' Ted", "Little Marco", "Low Energy Jeb" and "Crazy Bernie" turned into "Crooked Hillary" and the 30% loved it. It was a good tactic because it worked, but he used the tactic because he had no policy innovations upon which reasonable voters could rely. Thus, he lost the popular vote.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Skariff2 64M
2336 posts
9/13/2017 11:15 am

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Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


hiramhankwilliam 94M
1951 posts
9/13/2017 12:36 pm

qit your bytching and work harder in 2020

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Skariff2 64M
2336 posts
9/13/2017 1:37 pm

I can understand your position, especially in light of your leadership position in the 30%. If you continue to proffer such intellectual responses, maybe they'll erect a statue for you.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Maisie2013 66F
15540 posts
9/13/2017 2:20 pm

Admitted her mistakes ??????

She keeps saying it is everyone's fault but hers, in the same sentence as she says " I take responsibility "
Even Chuck Schumer told her to stop blaming everyone else. And she didn't listen to Bill. If she had, she would have done better.

I also guess you haven't kept up with the latest- that the DNC was not hacked, but the information was transferred , not over the internet, but with speed only accomplished by a direct download.

But I don't see how anyone can dismiss the concerted efforts of the Trump campaign to denigrate her and portray her as an inferior candidate
Well- duh. What did you want the Trump campaign to do? Tell everyone to vote for Hillary ?
However, it is a good thing he didn't used that as his sole strategy. We all know how " I am not my opponent " worked for Hillary.
Oh and he lost the popular vote in California, and New York, but not in the huge non-coastal rest of the US.

But I see by this blog, you are on board with the " It wasn't her fault " idiocy.


Maisie2013 66F
15540 posts
9/13/2017 2:36 pm

Matt Lauer asked Clinton whether she thought she made enough mistakes on her own to lose the election.
“I will say no, Matt,” Clinton said. “This book has a lot of behind the scenes looks at what it’s like to run for president particularly as a woman.”


Skariff2 64M
2336 posts
9/13/2017 5:43 pm

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Admitted her mistakes ??????

    She keeps saying it is everyone's fault but hers, in the same sentence as she says " I take responsibility "
    Even Chuck Schumer told her to stop blaming everyone else. And she didn't listen to Bill. If she had, she would have done better.

    I also guess you haven't kept up with the latest- that the DNC was not hacked, but the information was transferred , not over the internet, but with speed only accomplished by a direct download.

    But I don't see how anyone can dismiss the concerted efforts of the Trump campaign to denigrate her and portray her as an inferior candidate
    Well- duh. What did you want the Trump campaign to do? Tell everyone to vote for Hillary ?
    However, it is a good thing he didn't used that as his sole strategy. We all know how " I am not my opponent " worked for Hillary.
    Oh and he lost the popular vote in California, and New York, but not in the huge non-coastal rest of the US.

    But I see by this blog, you are on board with the " It wasn't her fault " idiocy.
I think the idiocy lies elsewhere.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


bigblock46 71M
5135 posts
9/13/2017 6:29 pm

To quote Mrs Clinton: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


Katie_au_lait 71F
5386 posts
9/14/2017 2:11 am

    Quoting Maisie2013:
    Admitted her mistakes ??????

    She keeps saying it is everyone's fault but hers, in the same sentence as she says " I take responsibility "
    Even Chuck Schumer told her to stop blaming everyone else. And she didn't listen to Bill. If she had, she would have done better.

    I also guess you haven't kept up with the latest- that the DNC was not hacked, but the information was transferred , not over the internet, but with speed only accomplished by a direct download.

    But I don't see how anyone can dismiss the concerted efforts of the Trump campaign to denigrate her and portray her as an inferior candidate
    Well- duh. What did you want the Trump campaign to do? Tell everyone to vote for Hillary ?
    However, it is a good thing he didn't used that as his sole strategy. We all know how " I am not my opponent " worked for Hillary.
    Oh and he lost the popular vote in California, and New York, but not in the huge non-coastal rest of the US.

    But I see by this blog, you are on board with the " It wasn't her fault " idiocy.
You have spent the last three years "writing" almost daily blogs blaming and condemning "the left" for everything that's wrong with your little world.
It has never occurred to you that, even just sometimes they could be right...or, shock and horror!... you could be just a teensy bit wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who finds no conflict in their personal decision making...whether it be political or just life in general... is not seeing the whole picture. That is what causes biased thinking... AND THAT IS IDIOCY!

Where life exists...conflict exists....that is the biggest fact of life...and we all have to deal with it every day of our lives.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 4:47 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    You have spent the last three years "writing" almost daily blogs blaming and condemning "the left" for everything that's wrong with your little world.
    It has never occurred to you that, even just sometimes they could be right...or, shock and horror!... you could be just a teensy bit wrong.

    As far as I'm concerned, anyone who finds no conflict in their personal decision making...whether it be political or just life in general... is not seeing the whole picture. That is what causes biased thinking... AND THAT IS IDIOCY!

    Where life exists...conflict exists....that is the biggest fact of life...and we all have to deal with it every day of our lives.
Very good response, and as maisie see this as conflict. as a statement of politics. as an opposing view. She avoids the truth of it.

There are people who dismiss the conflict. That conflict requires and unknown and conflict requires a desire to create conflict. Their lives are designed to avoid conflict, and that translates to avoiding conflict with oneself. And so it is, that they create conflict in others, as you and I try and figure out how a person cannot have inner conflict.
In a way religion does the same thing in trying to remove inner conflict.
The ideas of religion, get transformed in other aspect of our lives including politics. A "person God". an honest "minister" of God....either has avoided or resolved their own inner conflict. What they see is the inner conflict of others, and it's negative consequences.. They see themselves as no longer having that conflict. For to them... it is no longer an unknown but the truth.. Never is that conflict designed to resolving the truth of who that person is, how that person thinks, and how each one of must decide how we fit into this world.
But simply, it's the work of the devil. Our conflict whether it be inner or outer is our mistake.

maisie, although not to be labeled as a religious fanatic...thinks the same way. There is no discussion of conflict. She has none. It is in the rest of worlds conflict that problem cannot be solved, but maise's lack of conflict, knows the truth of it and can solve it.....
But the truth of the matter is that avoiding inner conflict, avoids the truth about oneself. Which in essence is the only world that counts.

Maisie see our conflict, with ourselves, as our weakness, as the devil's workshop.
So maisie must avoid her own inner conflict...Must determine she has no conflict.
Consequence, it's virtually impossible for her to understand your response, as anything but your own weakness.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 6:21 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    You have spent the last three years "writing" almost daily blogs blaming and condemning "the left" for everything that's wrong with your little world.
    It has never occurred to you that, even just sometimes they could be right...or, shock and horror!... you could be just a teensy bit wrong.

    As far as I'm concerned, anyone who finds no conflict in their personal decision making...whether it be political or just life in general... is not seeing the whole picture. That is what causes biased thinking... AND THAT IS IDIOCY!

    Where life exists...conflict exists....that is the biggest fact of life...and we all have to deal with it every day of our lives.
It is evident to me, that my inability to some to relate clearly and concise. that My "confusion", my "word salad", my failure to choose sides, and my attempt for people to understand themselves, more than they understand others.............
Is almost entirely about my own inner conflict.
I have an inability to relate to others, without my own inner conflict getting in the way. Without understanding inner conflict, it is virtually impossible to understand me.
There is no correct answer for each one one us must decide who we are, must resolve their own conflict...I do not have answers for them, just questions.
I know , for me, i will not live long enough to completely resolve my inner conflicts, as one resolution simply leads to another conflict.
My journey to do so, is essential to discover who I am, and how I fit in, and the meaning of MY life. Not the meaning of life in general, for I have resolved that conflict in my own..... As you have so aptly stated..."Where life exists...conflict exists"
There simply is no such thing as A perfect life without conflict. It goes against the definition of life. A perfect life without conflict is no life at all.
As those us who believe in heaven, believe that l all their conflicts will be resolved...must understand that for them, life will no longer exist. No matter what you believe, I have one certainty I can relay. Whether you believe in the hereafter or not......."Life" does not exist after death. Whatever you believe it to be .. It's not life.
The only "perfect" life is the life that embraces conflict, not denies it. The conformation of life is that life, although it appears to be conforming, is not conforming at all. There is nothing about life that conforms to anything else we know. We can't relate life to anything else. It is in our attempt to make life conform to everything else, that we create our own truth. A truth that permits, us to believe in a meaningful existence. When our existence is the only truth that is meaningful.


bijou624 68F
17798 posts
9/14/2017 6:26 am

Since Hillary got many millions more popular votes than Trump, she really was the peoples' choice for president. The only reason Trump is president is because of the Electoral College who should be ashamed that they chose a leader of their country who is so inexperienced, uninformed, lying, rude, insulting, arrogant etc. etc.

Hillary was a poor candidate because, although she had knowledge and experience, she dressed in frumpy clothes and had that awful hairdo, and unfortunately the cameras were rolling when she almost fainted and had to be almost carried into her car. She appeared angry and arrogant when speaking and was either smirking or laughing with her mouth wide open. Still how on earth did the Electoral College justify voting for a conman like Trump???


bigblock46 71M
5135 posts
9/14/2017 6:26 am

A response just for Jiminy(I didn't vote)Cricket. You didn’t vote? How could you not vote?! You abdicated your responsibility as a citizen at the worst possible time!


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 7:01 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    A response just for Jiminy(I didn't vote)Cricket. You didn’t vote? How could you not vote?! You abdicated your responsibility as a citizen at the worst possible time!
I didn't vote because I was conflicted. A conflict, I now have resolved. So now I will make a choice, even if it's the wrong one.
I have succumb to you, and your inability to be conflicted.
I have resolved my conflict., The realization that those who have no conflict, I will vote against, always. No matter their position on the issues.
It is in that resolve. that I would vote against Trump.

My conflict with the election was that Hillary getting elected would not solve the conflict, I believed was in others. I believed that electing Trump would better serve to resolve the conflicts others were having, to show them the way.
In my conflict about the election, I have learned something. First, as brought about by this blog, that some people just aren't conflicted, other simply avoid conflict, and others revel in the conflict they impose upon others. I learned about what is really important. That it is far less important that I try to resolve your conflict, that you may or may not have, than I resolve my own.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 8:10 am

    Quoting bijou624:
    Since Hillary got many millions more popular votes than Trump, she really was the peoples' choice for president. The only reason Trump is president is because of the Electoral College who should be ashamed that they chose a leader of their country who is so inexperienced, uninformed, lying, rude, insulting, arrogant etc. etc.

    Hillary was a poor candidate because, although she had knowledge and experience, she dressed in frumpy clothes and had that awful hairdo, and unfortunately the cameras were rolling when she almost fainted and had to be almost carried into her car. She appeared angry and arrogant when speaking and was either smirking or laughing with her mouth wide open. Still how on earth did the Electoral College justify voting for a conman like Trump???
It's all water under the bridge at this point.
It's easy to find the justification for what one believes, The real challenge is to find justification to no longer believe what you believed. The point the needs to be made is why Trump voters don't see what you see? What motivates them to a "blind eye".
You don't need to ask them that......You don't need to tell them that.. You just need to figure out why? And most importantly why you choose to blame them.
Pointing the blame doesn't work. Blame Trump, blame Hillary, blame the electoral college, blame the Russians, blame Comey, blame racism, blame sexism there is just too much blame to go around.
Accept the fact that YOU are not immune to blame. What you have done, what you're doing, and what you will do...... is all to blame. Blame begins at your bathroom mirror, and ends when you can look up and see the mirror in the sky.
Don't kid yourself to believe you are THAT different..... You are Trump, You are Hillary, You are Comey, you are Russian, You are a Trump voter, you are racist, you are sexist. That's who YOU are and thus WE all are to blame.


Katie_au_lait 71F
5386 posts
9/14/2017 8:22 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    A response just for Jiminy(I didn't vote)Cricket. You didn’t vote? How could you not vote?! You abdicated your responsibility as a citizen at the worst possible time!
Oh my! Idiots really don't have any conflict in their minds do they? ...You point the finger of guilt at Jiminy for not voting while feeling so virtuous for selling out your people and your country to a blatant conman!
There's no cure for idiocy.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 8:37 am

I keep going back to something Lizst said to me...Of course he did it, to demean me, he did it, so that my word mean nothing...Little did he know the truth of it about me and about himself.

"As usual, you have put together a word salad which means absolutely nothing. You are the last person to address the subject of "clarity" in any area, since you live in a fog where up is down, evil is good, women are men, and dogs are cats"

bijou

You have to understand this.. It's imperative to be able to understand my comment to you
I have a perspective that deals with the truth of Lizst comment. I agree with Lizst, about my fog, that those who cannot understand my perspective of it. Will believe my words mean nothing. will believe I do not speak the truth. For them there is no truth but THEIR truth.

Okay...... degree of difficulty may be hard, but I challenge people.

A part is not the whole........ and becoming "apart" is still only a part of the whole.


Roxy1946 71F
23004 posts
9/14/2017 8:37 am

OMG, so the neg. propaganda about women, spread by a man who looks like Trump, has been taken seriously? So Clinton looked frumpy, so what, many of us Seniors do not look like we looked when we were young. Clinton has brains, and can use them, she is formidable and that is why Putin didn't want her as President. She stood up to him, since he can't eliminate her, like he does his foes in Russia, by either jailing them or putting a bullet in their heads, then degrading her and spreading lies was the next best thing. It is being proven Putin had help from Americans hacking our Presidential elections. Comey helped too. When I found out he didn't bother to mention the fact that the Russia/Trump investigation was taking place, but only the emails, it was obvious what he had done. She lost the election because she had not only Trump working against her but Putin too. Trump and Flynn had millions upon millions of monetary reasons for talking nice about Putin.

Facebook and Twitter may be brought up on criminal charges for their part in letting Russia hackers/Putin use their social media site to denigrate Clinton. Many Americans were duped by Russia and their American friends, anyone who defends this behavior is no friend to America or our Democracy. Doesn't matter whose party a candidate belongs to, if any American knowingly helps a foreign power to infiltrate and affect the outcome of our elections, by deceitful and unlawful means, they are traitors in my book. Just my opinion.


sparkleflit 69F
1098 posts
9/14/2017 9:31 am

    Quoting bijou624:
    Since Hillary got many millions more popular votes than Trump, she really was the peoples' choice for president. The only reason Trump is president is because of the Electoral College who should be ashamed that they chose a leader of their country who is so inexperienced, uninformed, lying, rude, insulting, arrogant etc. etc.

    Hillary was a poor candidate because, although she had knowledge and experience, she dressed in frumpy clothes and had that awful hairdo, and unfortunately the cameras were rolling when she almost fainted and had to be almost carried into her car. She appeared angry and arrogant when speaking and was either smirking or laughing with her mouth wide open. Still how on earth did the Electoral College justify voting for a conman like Trump???
Trump dresses frumpy and has a far worse hairdo than Hillary.........And people were looking for medical problems because Trump kept saying she had them.......She doesn't have the stamina.....and there were the conspiracy theorists on the Right.........There was that close-up photo of Hilary's back as she bent over to talk to someone in the audience. She was wearing an audio device inside her clothing, which was discernible through her clothes.........Everyone who steps away from a lectern wears such a device and anyone who has watched TV or movies for the past 40 years are familiar with it..........But the photo ran along with speculations as to what it could be. It was posted on this site as well and the Trump supporters on this site made wild, ignorant claims that it must be some kind of medical device and she was hiding it from them.

There was this conspiracy that Hillary had a serious medical condition and the wild guesses were passed around......Alex Jones was rolling in it..


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 9:36 am

    Quoting Roxy1946:
    OMG, so the neg. propaganda about women, spread by a man who looks like Trump, has been taken seriously? So Clinton looked frumpy, so what, many of us Seniors do not look like we looked when we were young. Clinton has brains, and can use them, she is formidable and that is why Putin didn't want her as President. She stood up to him, since he can't eliminate her, like he does his foes in Russia, by either jailing them or putting a bullet in their heads, then degrading her and spreading lies was the next best thing. It is being proven Putin had help from Americans hacking our Presidential elections. Comey helped too. When I found out he didn't bother to mention the fact that the Russia/Trump investigation was taking place, but only the emails, it was obvious what he had done. She lost the election because she had not only Trump working against her but Putin too. Trump and Flynn had millions upon millions of monetary reasons for talking nice about Putin.

    Facebook and Twitter may be brought up on criminal charges for their part in letting Russia hackers/Putin use their social media site to denigrate Clinton. Many Americans were duped by Russia and their American friends, anyone who defends this behavior is no friend to America or our Democracy. Doesn't matter whose party a candidate belongs to, if any American knowingly helps a foreign power to infiltrate and affect the outcome of our elections, by deceitful and unlawful means, they are traitors in my book. Just my opinion.
I want to make it clear that i don't disagree with you, nor bijou for that matter.

But there is something more base to this election, than people are willing to admit to.

Who is to blame when someone tells someone else what they want to hear?

How is that you did not believe Russian propaganda and lies.. while others did?

How is it that others believe that Trump speaks the truth when every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie, and why is it that only in understanding a lie, that , one can understand how Trump speaks his truth?

And so it is.... that you are not to be forgiven. For what is your reaction when someone tells you something you want to hear? How do you discern the lie in that which you want to hear? And then what do you do with it? Does what you want to hear challenge you, or does it embolden you.

It simply really, you do what they do. You justify yourself by your truth as opposed to their lie. When in fact the truth of it doesn't matter, the only things matters is what you do with it.

You may believe you're so much different than Trump....but there is only one difference I see.......You see that the truth matters, no matter what it is, even if it's not the truth.. Trump see the only thing that matters about the truth is what you believe it to be and how he can use it.
The difference between you and Trump is that Trump actually knows what he's doing.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 11:06 am

What Trump understands is the deep seated truths that people don't want to admit to.

Whether it be true or not doesn't matter to him. what matters to him, is if he can bring that out in people, how he can use it. Those people who have unresolved deep seated conflicts, they have previously chosen, that the only way to deal with it is to hide it and avoid it.

Trump tells them.. you don't have to hide them, you don't have to avoid them, You don't even have to deal with them.... He will deal with them for you.

He relieves a burden people have been carrying around for years.. so he leads them to believe. But the truth is.... it's not to be.....he can't relieve it. It was put there for a reason and that reason exists with or without Trump.

For many "Making America great Again" is simply that those in the past did not have to carry that burden, didn't have to deal with that conflict. And so it is.... that this first lie, they believe, leads to all their other truths.

If you can't understand the specifics of that, let me give you an example....In the past....women were women, men were men, America was America. evil was not good, up was not down, and dogs were not cats, there were no 'dreamers", there were no "illegals", there were NO freebies, there were religious values, There was liberal thinking and conservative thinking, but there wasn't LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES just Americans, Everybody was rich, nobody was poor, everybody had a job that wanted one, gays stayed in the closet, abortions were illegal, transgendered just couldn't happen, Information could be controlled, and digested, before it was shove down our throats. the NEWS Media was on our side, crime was outside of society, not inside. climate control only had to do with air conditioning, we did not care what the world thought of US.. it didn't matter, and for the most part politicians were trusted.. ...... there were No conflicts, no decisions, no challenges....Everything was plane as day.
And AMERICA was GREAT.
Sorry folks... YOU CAN"T GO BACK.... even if it's just a lie and a fantasy. You NOW have to deal with it, and Trump isn't going to do deal with it for you.


Maggie065 65F
1110 posts
9/14/2017 11:54 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Trump dresses frumpy and has a far worse hairdo than Hillary.........And people were looking for medical problems because Trump kept saying she had them.......She doesn't have the stamina.....and there were the conspiracy theorists on the Right.........There was that close-up photo of Hilary's back as she bent over to talk to someone in the audience. She was wearing an audio device inside her clothing, which was discernible through her clothes.........Everyone who steps away from a lectern wears such a device and anyone who has watched TV or movies for the past 40 years are familiar with it..........But the photo ran along with speculations as to what it could be. It was posted on this site as well and the Trump supporters on this site made wild, ignorant claims that it must be some kind of medical device and she was hiding it from them.

    There was this conspiracy that Hillary had a serious medical condition and the wild guesses were passed around......Alex Jones was rolling in it..
They bought the Trump propaganda , the biggest con job of all time got Trump the presidency .( along with some help from Russia )


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/14/2017 1:55 pm

of course, the resolved conflicts. and if you choose the lack of...., are all a lie throughout history. In life, all conflicts are unresolved, its just an agreement, not a resolution.
It began at the beginning of time....It began with the conflict of our own survival. and the meaning thereof.
For America it's begins in 1776, the conflict of the human right to govern oneself.
once resolved the conflict of how to go about doing that.
The conflict of human rights, were slavery may have seemed to be resolved, but there was also a little known conflict of Indians.
Then the conflict of progress, what it means, and does the positives outweigh the negatives.
The conflict that was resolved about slavery, yet still has to deal with the conflict that brought about slavery.
The conflict of war
the conflict of wealth and greed
the conflict of politics
the conflict of gender
the conflict of family
the conflict of division
the conflict of truth

No generation is without it, but simply whatever has been resolved, is an agreement made in the past.

I do have a sneaky suspicion of what the final conflict will be, as life comes full circle to the final resolution.....It ends with the conflict of our own survival, and the meaning thereof.


bigblock46 71M
5135 posts
9/14/2017 6:07 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    I didn't vote because I was conflicted. A conflict, I now have resolved. So now I will make a choice, even if it's the wrong one.
    I have succumb to you, and your inability to be conflicted.
    I have resolved my conflict., The realization that those who have no conflict, I will vote against, always. No matter their position on the issues.
    It is in that resolve. that I would vote against Trump.

    My conflict with the election was that Hillary getting elected would not solve the conflict, I believed was in others. I believed that electing Trump would better serve to resolve the conflicts others were having, to show them the way.
    In my conflict about the election, I have learned something. First, as brought about by this blog, that some people just aren't conflicted, other simply avoid conflict, and others revel in the conflict they impose upon others. I learned about what is really important. That it is far less important that I try to resolve your conflict, that you may or may not have, than I resolve my own.
Oh that's just wonderful Jiminy, you have resolved your conflict. I suppose the rest of the country needs to put our lives on hold so Jiminy can lubricate himself with enough bovine fecal material and booze to solve his conflicts.


bigblock46 71M
5135 posts
9/14/2017 6:27 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Oh my! Idiots really don't have any conflict in their minds do they? ...You point the finger of guilt at Jiminy for not voting while feeling so virtuous for selling out your people and your country to a blatant conman!
    There's no cure for idiocy.

Personally I consider voting to be a responsibility of all the citizens in a democracy, and think that by not voting, the only person you hurt is yourself and your own priorities.

I also wonder about your concern for who the President is. He has no control over any you. He can't sign any laws that will affect you or raise your tax obligation.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/15/2017 2:45 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Oh that's just wonderful Jiminy, you have resolved your conflict. I suppose the rest of the country needs to put our lives on hold so Jiminy can lubricate himself with enough bovine fecal material and booze to solve his conflicts.
One things for sure..You can dig a hole faster than anyone else I know.


jiminycricket1 67M
7792 posts
9/15/2017 3:56 am

Skariff..........Sorry, I kind of misdirected your blog. I got carried away.

To the point about Hillary and her book, and her reasons for the loss.

I have seen her interviewed about it, and have read excepts. I believe her.
maybe not so much in her emphasis, but overall.

People will continue to believe Hillary has ulterior motives. But I don't see her book that way. I see it all as interior motives. She only tells us what she thinks happened. It's not categorical, it's just thinking.

One doesn't have to support her to full measure of her thinking, to understand it is her thinking. Disagree to the extent of her blame and the blame of others. But the fact remains she has revealed herself. Appreciate the fact, she is trying to resolve her own inner conflict. That's more than i can say about most people here.

Hillary is NOT putting Comey, Trump, the Russians, or Bernie Sanders on the line.
Her book only puts herself on the line. Her reaction to them, that many people figure she's trying to put the blame on. She understands why she did what she did, but still hasn't resolved that what she did, was the best thing. She simply explains why she did what she did, never really fully justifying it, but questioning it.

I do have one negative about it, that shows me she wouldn't have been a great President...... there is a subtext to her book.....Although she questions what she did, there is the subtext that she never should have had to answer those questions. What happened TO HER was not right.... Well Sh*t happens.....When it does, a President has to deal with it. Yet no matter the result from how a President deals with it. Then end result and a President's justification.... can't be "sh*t happens."


jiminycricket1 67M
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9/15/2017 4:32 am

There is also a purpose that Hillary intends....she intends that the next women running for President doesn't have to go through what she went through.
Sorry Charlie.. that's just tuna fish..... And of all the reasons and intent, it just may be the main reason she lost.
That fact still remains that Hillary Clinton was the only Presidential candidate that was tested......and she failed... Maybe the next women running for President will pass the test.
Maybe "men" and certainly ones like Donald Trump, never get tested. they are test avoiders.
Obama was tested....many see his test as a failure....They see what they want to see.

There shouldn't be free "pass", because you are man or a women, and especially for someone who "Trans-Gender", like Trump, as anybody who see Trump as a "real" man, is a bigger azzhole than he is..