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Skariff2 66M
4298 posts
7/12/2019 6:18 am
Reality- foreign to the right wing


The pernicious belief in racial superiority begins with dinner table lessons doled to 3 and 4 year olds. Logical thinking individuals do not either seek or support legislation limiting the voting rights of any group without garnering the label of a racist. Racism is not limited to discrimination against Blacks, but include Hispanics, Muslims and nearly everyone lacking similar background to those seeking such legislation. It begins insidiously with the belief one is a member of a racially superior group fully capable of creating an environment conducive to peaceful and advantageous lifestyles predicated on the mores instilled in the racially superior, but undereducated, group seeking legislatively supported racism.

The group of whom I speak has successfully ruled for decades and the current movement to legislatively ensure control emanates from a growing movement toward a more equal distribution of power and wealth. Part of the insidious portion of their beliefs lies in the erroneous belief they are not racists, rather law abiding Americans seeking maintenance of the status quo, the status quo, of course, being the proper manner to treat individuals under the long established paradigm. They fail to see or understand their beliefs are the very essence of racism. They fail to see or understand this because this is the belief system they have been taught to live by and cannot muster the intestinal fortitude to even consider an alternative. Instead, this thoughtless group chooses to deflect their uncivil beliefs to those who attempt to educate them. It is far from coincidence these folks support a President who lacks the mental capacity to make the considerations necessary to provide effective leadership.

Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


Skariff2 66M
2854 posts
7/12/2019 6:18 am

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Prejudice cannot be conquered with logic, logic didn't instill it and logic cannot eradicate it.


TxJW700 76M
27 posts
7/12/2019 3:51 pm

The dems may have already lost the election.
My main concern is how would they run the government.
Someone needs to step forward with a common sense plan.
YESTERDAY.

Radicalism has ruined any chance they had.

Trump does not have to campaign. The dems look worse every day.
Sad situation. Opportunity lost by a few who do not represent the middle class as a whole.
Party On!


sparkleflit 71F
4712 posts
7/12/2019 7:55 pm

I saw a segment of Tucker Carlson yesterday in which he ranted about Representative Ilhan Omar....I was shocked at the blatant racism on display......He kept talking about "Us".....referring to those he apparently considers the legitimate Americans......and "them", those like Omar, who aren't legitimate in his eyes.......It struck me as extremely odd that a radio host who was born into privilege would consider himself more legitimate than someone who has has overcome so much and succeeded in being elected as a representative of her community........


Katie_au_lait 73F
6551 posts
7/13/2019 12:16 am

Trump has the American people right where he wants them... fighting each other, while the rest of the world can do nothing but watch as he destroys his country, it's people and it's Global respect.
Those who vote for that are complicit in any corruption he commits. If he wants war...then they want war, If they can't see that they are as stupid as he thinks they are...and as he wants them to be.


jiminycricket1 69M
10704 posts
7/13/2019 7:36 am

It all makes sense to me..

But I do have little different perspective of what the problem is.. But I have no doubt in the truth of what you say..

My perspective... is the Right can't see the reality
And the Left can't deal with the reality.


TxJW700 76M
27 posts
7/13/2019 3:07 pm

I dislike trump.He needs to go.

But then again how would the opposition run the government?
Race & border crap doesn't do it for me.
Especially when the problem can be fixed easily.
Party On!


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/14/2019 2:58 am

    Quoting TxJW700:
    The dems may have already lost the election.
    My main concern is how would they run the government.
    Someone needs to step forward with a common sense plan.
    YESTERDAY.

    Radicalism has ruined any chance they had.

    Trump does not have to campaign. The dems look worse every day.
    Sad situation. Opportunity lost by a few who do not represent the middle class as a whole.
    Party On!
Oh please...RADICAL is exactly what Trump has been doing since day one...and it is failing spectacularly.


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/14/2019 3:00 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I saw a segment of Tucker Carlson yesterday in which he ranted about Representative Ilhan Omar....I was shocked at the blatant racism on display......He kept talking about "Us".....referring to those he apparently considers the legitimate Americans......and "them", those like Omar, who aren't legitimate in his eyes.......It struck me as extremely odd that a radio host who was born into privilege would consider himself more legitimate than someone who has has overcome so much and succeeded in being elected as a representative of her community........
Tucker is the most blatant racist ever to secure a spot on television. He has a very dark history of blatantly racist commentary.


TxJW700 76M
27 posts
7/14/2019 3:27 am

Leaf
My point EXACTLY. Radicalism by the dems in order to offset radicalism by trump is killing their chance to show how they can govern responsibly.
Most people I know want a return to NORMAL -----AND it is not about race or hatred. It must be about (AL the people.

OBSTRUCTION is not becoming for either side.
Party On!


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/14/2019 3:32 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Trump has the American people right where he wants them... fighting each other, while the rest of the world can do nothing but watch as he destroys his country, it's people and it's Global respect.
    Those who vote for that are complicit in any corruption he commits. If he wants war...then they want war, If they can't see that they are as stupid as he thinks they are...and as he wants them to be.


There is a ton of truth in your words here, or so it would seem. I grant you that. It has to be frustrating for the rest of the world to witness what is happening in America, at least in countries who are, or recently were, or felt as if they were, allies. It must be frustrating for adversaries as well frankly. That's a sticky situation for sure. A nation doesn't desire to purposely give advantage to an adversary, but Trump has made it appreciably more difficult to find ways to diplomatically engage with adversaries to mediate disputes, or to move forward in less adversarial ways. I completely agree with you that those who voted for, and who continue to support Trump, are complicit in the corruption that is harming America and its relationships internationally. That frustrates millions of citizens who did not vote for Trump, and did not do so because of concerns in this area, and a host of other reasons. Support for Trump is as stupid as it gets in my view. I have no qualms about calling my neighbor an idiot when they do something as stupid as voting for Trump in the first place.

However, I see challenging my neighbors politics as more of an act of persuasion, pointedly I admit, than any act of subversion. The subversion is coming from Trump himself...and I think Mueller clearly found proof of that. Heck, I witnessed it myself on national television many times.

Trump is a disaster on so many levels I hardly know where to start. But in my view Trump's motivation almost from the beginning centers on 3 things. First, I believe that Trump is coping with international blackmail of some kind. I also believe that Trump was so embarrassed by Obama's joke at that infamous White House Correspondence Dinner that he's on a relentless, and perverse, personal mission to destroy everything that Obama accomplished. It's personal, its destructive, and there has to be a racial component behind what is pure hate driven revenge. You have to question mental fitness over something like this. Finally, and many Americans will find this offensive, but I think Trump has studied Hitler's rise to power and believes he can achieve similar goals by echoing some of Hitler's strategies. I don't believe Trump's motivation has a singular purpose. It's a big mess with an unknown outcome at this point and very day America faces risk...and so does the world.

When he's gone, and he will be gone, America will begin to heal and we will repair international relationships. It will be purposeful, it will be peaceful, it will be genuine, and the American people will be relieved...

Every day is a struggle.


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/14/2019 4:04 am

    Quoting TxJW700:
    Leaf
    My point EXACTLY. Radicalism by the dems in order to offset radicalism by trump is killing their chance to show how they can govern responsibly.
    Most people I know want a return to NORMAL -----AND it is not about race or hatred. It must be about (AL the people.

    OBSTRUCTION is not becoming for either side.
    Party On!
I don't see radical proposals by democrats has harmful. I see many proposals as innovative and urgent given the damage republicans and Trump have already inflicted upon our society. I have zero problems with returning to the way Obama managed issues at the border, absent of reform legislation. It was the republicans who refused to hold a vote on reform that the senate had passed on a bi-partisan basis. Obama had slowed border crossings to the lowest level in 50 years. It is the GOP that is preventing action, and it was the GOP themselves who also said NO to a stupid border wall. This is Trump's failure....period.

Further, Trump has created chaos in health care when there wasn't chaos, and it is republican governors, even in your own state, who refuse to expand Medicaid making matter far, far worse for us all.

We need BOLD action on climate change NOW. Surely you aren't in favor of Houston being under water yet again? Why shouldn't we forgive student loans that will ignite an enormous boom in housing and infrastructure development and help fund Social Security for us and our kids? Nobody but nobody wants a return to chaos in health care, GW Bush's 12 million illegals crossing the border, a war with Iran, Bush's TRILLION dollar budget deficit or 4 dollar gasoline.

A return to NORMAL is competent democratic public policy that doesn't involve the stench of urine in detention centers or the theft of babies from desperate mothers seeking sanctuary in the United States.


jiminycricket1 69M
10704 posts
7/14/2019 5:54 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    I don't see radical proposals by democrats has harmful. I see many proposals as innovative and urgent given the damage republicans and Trump have already inflicted upon our society. I have zero problems with returning to the way Obama managed issues at the border, absent of reform legislation. It was the republicans who refused to hold a vote on reform that the senate had passed on a bi-partisan basis. Obama had slowed border crossings to the lowest level in 50 years. It is the GOP that is preventing action, and it was the GOP themselves who also said NO to a stupid border wall. This is Trump's failure....period.

    Further, Trump has created chaos in health care when there wasn't chaos, and it is republican governors, even in your own state, who refuse to expand Medicaid making matter far, far worse for us all.

    We need BOLD action on climate change NOW. Surely you aren't in favor of Houston being under water yet again? Why shouldn't we forgive student loans that will ignite an enormous boom in housing and infrastructure development and help fund Social Security for us and our kids? Nobody but nobody wants a return to chaos in health care, GW Bush's 12 million illegals crossing the border, a war with Iran, Bush's TRILLION dollar budget deficit or 4 dollar gasoline.

    A return to NORMAL is competent democratic public policy that doesn't involve the stench of urine in detention centers or the theft of babies from desperate mothers seeking sanctuary in the United States.
The backlash against the backlash..

There is a difference in trying to get Trump supporters to see what he does, and their ignorance to allow it to happen..and Trying to get them to see the truth.. comparing that to using them as a stepping stone to a different agenda.

Like I said Trump is done, but I fear you...

So you are against Trump.. but you are willing to use the same methods?

You can't see , that the names have changed, but the method of using people as a stepping stones is exactly the same..

Contrary to what you choose to believe..Most people in this country are neither Fascists or Socialists

Contrary to what the Right here believes.. there is a majority backlash to Trumps Fascism.

Contrary to what you believe there will be a backlash to Democrat Socialism..

I don't know if it can happen.. what Tx wants... but I know it's what most people want...That is a return to "normalcy".... I don't know what that is.. But i know it's not fascism or socialism. It's Americanism, and YOU don't get to define it..

So you are willing to take that chance.....and continue the trend of elections.. And force America.. not to choose who's best for the country... but against who's worse.... when a minority opinion decides who's best to run.. That leaves all the rest of US to decide who's worse.
Now.. Democrats will most likely win this election...TO lose it ...Trump will be able to create the backlash, before you get out of the starting gate.

But you need to listen carefully.. If the Democrat agenda become too Progressive, or skin color oriented, or gender oriented.. or hate oriented..
You may STILL win this coming election.. but you will lose the next one.

And that wheel will rollover ALL of US..
It may be too late...And our beginning to witness the FALL of AMERICA.. has no other choice but to continue

Trump has accomplished a lot.. he has destroyed the Republican Party.. But most important.. he has destroy the idea of American leadership...America will NEVER be the same in our eyes and in the eyes of world...I not sure we will ever find a leader again...the idea of "a leader" has been destroyed.
And the irony that Making America Great Again... Can Never be accomplished..


earthytaurus3 79F
39778 posts
7/14/2019 6:14 am

Quoting Tx: "Radicalism has ruined any chance they had."

In a nutshell! The 'radicals' are a detriment to the party.


jiminycricket1 69M
10704 posts
7/14/2019 6:46 am

You got to look at the "big picture of what has happened....To realize there is no going back.. no do overs..

Although the set-up.. Started way before Obama.. Obama actually got it started...

My gosh the idea of leadership...was torn apart....From the "birther" to Obamacare..
WE destroyed what made America great..... Obama was way befor ehis time... We had not gotten there yet. to have a President like him..
In my comparative view... he was almost PERFECT, but not perfect for the TIME..
Once the Republican began destroying the idea of leadership... we could not recover.. It's ironic they ask Us to accept the leadership of Trump.. when in fact they destroyed the idea of what an American leader was
From Obama we move on to the 2016 election...and the final complete destruction of the idea of leadership...When Republicans view a legitimately elected President as unworthy.. Democrats had no right to view a tainted elected President as unworthy....... To accept the fact that a President.. doesn't have to accept the fact... "That the buck stops Here"..
Always the fault lies elsewhere.. Again the destruction of leadership..that need to accept fault even if the leader doesn't have any.. I hated HILLARY.. for Not doing that in regards to Benghazi.. Yes she would have been destroyed by Republicans.. but she took the low road and was destroyed anyway.
We move on.. not to a description of LIES.. but a description that has NO truth.
Truth become passe...
We change over..... to enemies are friends and friends are enemies.
News Media the enemy... "fake news and alternate facts"
WE move to leverage and blackmail and Lies.. to get what you want.

And in so doing we changed the parameters of leadership .. forever..

And the truest irony.. is that Trump has set the standard.. of the kind of "leader"
That is the only kind, we can NOW accept...doesn't matter your ideological sides.. Trump is now the standard of....."HOW to control America".

Others will follow him.. they wont't be as corrupt, as narcissistic, as prejudiced, as unkind, and above the law...
But Trump has been the trailblazer... Others will learn the method and avoids his mistakes..


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/14/2019 12:57 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The backlash against the backlash..

    There is a difference in trying to get Trump supporters to see what he does, and their ignorance to allow it to happen..and Trying to get them to see the truth.. comparing that to using them as a stepping stone to a different agenda.

    Like I said Trump is done, but I fear you...

    So you are against Trump.. but you are willing to use the same methods?

    You can't see , that the names have changed, but the method of using people as a stepping stones is exactly the same..

    Contrary to what you choose to believe..Most people in this country are neither Fascists or Socialists

    Contrary to what the Right here believes.. there is a majority backlash to Trumps Fascism.

    Contrary to what you believe there will be a backlash to Democrat Socialism..

    I don't know if it can happen.. what Tx wants... but I know it's what most people want...That is a return to "normalcy".... I don't know what that is.. But i know it's not fascism or socialism. It's Americanism, and YOU don't get to define it..

    So you are willing to take that chance.....and continue the trend of elections.. And force America.. not to choose who's best for the country... but against who's worse.... when a minority opinion decides who's best to run.. That leaves all the rest of US to decide who's worse.
    Now.. Democrats will most likely win this election...TO lose it ...Trump will be able to create the backlash, before you get out of the starting gate.

    But you need to listen carefully.. If the Democrat agenda become too Progressive, or skin color oriented, or gender oriented.. or hate oriented..
    You may STILL win this coming election.. but you will lose the next one.

    And that wheel will rollover ALL of US..
    It may be too late...And our beginning to witness the FALL of AMERICA.. has no other choice but to continue

    Trump has accomplished a lot.. he has destroyed the Republican Party.. But most important.. he has destroy the idea of American leadership...America will NEVER be the same in our eyes and in the eyes of world...I not sure we will ever find a leader again...the idea of "a leader" has been destroyed.
    And the irony that Making America Great Again... Can Never be accomplished..
You're just making stuff up Cricket...you're sole sourcing fake news. Stop creating propaganda and other cope with reality or advance a vision


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/14/2019 1:12 pm

Either not other...sorry.


jiminycricket1 69M
10704 posts
7/14/2019 4:04 pm

    Quoting LeafReport:
    You're just making stuff up Cricket...you're sole sourcing fake news. Stop creating propaganda and other cope with reality or advance a vision
Again you hit the nail on the head..

It's the advanced vision.. and coping with reality..

Like I'm doing propaganda.. because propaganda is anything against your advance vision.. WTF.. I thought you were smarter than that.. I don't have an agenda to propagandize.. All my shit is just WARNINGS.. You deal it with the way you want, ignore it at your own peril. Even though I agree with your agenda.. if you go about getting it, by walking all over people...I'll be all over it like stink on shit.

Like my first comment..
Republican have advanced vision.. but can't see reality
You've got advanced vision.. but you can't deal with reality.

I oppose Republican because they can't see the truth.

I don't oppose your advanced vision.... I oppose your ability to deal with reality..

And how the advancement of your advanced vision Destroys your own reality.. It blinds you to reality.

Same as Republicans. Same as they do it..


jiminycricket1 69M
10704 posts
7/14/2019 4:21 pm

leaf
The Republican advanced visions.. is an America without Liberals.. their view of reality, does not deal with the reality of what is a LIBERAL.. The far left, the moderate left and the moderate right.. Are all Liberals to them.. AS they eliminate the far left.. the moderates become the far left.
They see the what of an idea.. like it's a thing, that can t be destroyed.. legislate against it. Eliminate the people who think it..
So Republicans do not know the reality of things. It can't be done.

You think you can do the same thing that Republican do...hate the far right, and the middle right.. eliminate them? Turn their ideas into things to abolish.

They may not know reality...My friend ... but you can't deal with the reality.


LeafReport 68M
1727 posts
7/15/2019 2:16 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Again you hit the nail on the head..

    It's the advanced vision.. and coping with reality..

    Like I'm doing propaganda.. because propaganda is anything against your advance vision.. WTF.. I thought you were smarter than that.. I don't have an agenda to propagandize.. All my shit is just WARNINGS.. You deal it with the way you want, ignore it at your own peril. Even though I agree with your agenda.. if you go about getting it, by walking all over people...I'll be all over it like stink on shit.

    Like my first comment..
    Republican have advanced vision.. but can't see reality
    You've got advanced vision.. but you can't deal with reality.

    I oppose Republican because they can't see the truth.

    I don't oppose your advanced vision.... I oppose your ability to deal with reality..

    And how the advancement of your advanced vision Destroys your own reality.. It blinds you to reality.

    Same as Republicans. Same as they do it..
No Cricket...you're advancing perceptions that do not exist. That's propaganda...LOL


jiminycricket1 69M
10704 posts
7/15/2019 8:33 am

    Quoting LeafReport:
    No Cricket...you're advancing perceptions that do not exist. That's propaganda...LOL
Again you hit the nail on the head..

You're right..

It is my advanced vision..

It's my advance vision because it hasn't happened yet...At least not with you....
but it's a warning... because MY advanced vision is what could happen..
My advanced vision is based on the direction of what's happening...NOW... Based in reality..

You can't see it.. because you are overwhelmed by the "good" you think your doing.. But you need to understand.....That they think the same way..about the 'good" they think they are doing.

Although I agree with you...Your missing the warning signs.. that COULD make you wind up.. JUST LIKE THEM.

In that realm..... it exists.

Again it's not my propaganda .. it's my warning..