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looklook 84M
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4/12/2016 11:04 am

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Not a pleasant subject for a discussion!

What is the popular perception of death?

Is it seeing a light and a tunnel? Or is it some thing strange that one may experience? However, none can say what it is as none has ever met death and then came back to tell what it is really like! That is why death will always remain a feared phenomenon to human beings as our very nature makes us fearful of what we do not understand and can not control.

Death is not a pleasant subject for discussion! It is unlike anything else. Such uniqueness of death may cause each individual’s experience also unique. Therefore, the perception of a person about death may be contradictory to that of another.

Let us read what Rachel Nuwer of BBC discovered and reported in these respects. The entire report of Nuwer is not being pasted here for obvious reason. Those who are interested to know more on the matter may please look for the details on BBC online!

Quote…In 2011, Mr. A, a 57-year-old social worker from England, was admitted to Southampton General Hospital after collapsing at work. Medical personnel were in the middle of inserting a catheter into his groin when he went into cardiac arrest. With oxygen cut off, his brain immediately flat-lined. Mr. A died.

Despite this, he remembers what happened next. The staff grabbed an automated external defibrillator (AED), a shock-delivery machine used to try to reactivate the heart. Mr A heard a mechanical voice twice say, “Shock the patient.” In between those orders, he looked up to see a strange woman beckoning to him from the back corner of the room, near the ceiling. He joined her, leaving his inert body behind. “I felt that she knew me, I felt that I could trust her, and I felt she was there for a reason [but] I didn’t know what that was,” Mr A later recalled. “The next second, I was up there, looking down at me, the nurse and another man who had a bald head.”

Hospital records later verified the AED’s two verbal commands. Mr A’s descriptions of the people in the room – people he had not seen before he lost consciousness – and their actions were also accurate. He was describing things that happened during a three-minute window of time that, according to what we know about biology, he should not have had any aware

Mr A’s story – described in a paper in the journal Resuscitation – is one of a number of reports that challenge accepted wisdom on near-death experiences. Until now, researchers assumed that when the heart ceases to beat and stops sending vital blood to a person’s brain, all awareness immediately ends. At this point, the person is technically dead – although as we learn more about the science of death, we are beginning to understand that, in some cases, the condition can be reversible. For years, those who have come back from that inscrutable place have often reported memories of the event. Doctors mostly dismissed such anecdotal evidence as hallucinations, and researchers have been reluctant to delve into the study of near-death experiences, predominantly because it was viewed as something outside of the reach of scientific exploration.
But Sam Parnia, a critical care physician and director of resuscitation research at Stony Brook University School of Medicine in New York, along with colleagues from 17 institutions in the US and UK, wanted to do away with assumptions about what people did or did not experience on their deathbeds. It is possible, they believe, to collect scientific data about those would-be final moments. So for four years, they analysed more than 2,000 cardiac arrest events – moments when a patient’s heart stops and they are officially dead.
Of those patients, doctors were able to bring 16% back from the dead and Parnia and his colleagues were able to interview 101 of them, or about a third. “The goal was to try to understand, first of all, what is the mental and cognitive experience of death?” Parnia says. “And then, if we got people who claimed auditory and visual awareness at the time of death, to see if we are able to determine if they really were aware.”
Mr A, it turned out, was not the only patient who had some memory of his death. Nearly 50% of the study participants could recall something, but unlike Mr. A and just one other woman whose out-of-body account could not be verified externally, the other patients’ experiences did not seem to be tied to actual events that took place during their death…Unquote.



Death is no more a scary phenomena to me. I trust that death is nothing but a feeling of peace and pleasantness.
Source: BBC Online




Maudie1 74F
8151 posts
4/13/2016 6:53 am

Very interesting read. I have heard of stories very similar to what Bumpkin experienced.


looklook 84M
3925 posts
4/13/2016 7:34 am

    Quoting Adolpho:
    There have been a number of similar incidents reported throughout the years. The similarity is too great to ignore.

    We know so very little about our basis in "life" as we know it.
Adolpho, Thanks for your meaningful comments. I agree with you. However, death is no more a scary phenomena to me. Wishing you all the best.



Rocketship 80F
18584 posts
4/13/2016 7:55 am

I'm not afraid of death. It's the process of dying that be terrifying.


looklook 84M
3925 posts
4/13/2016 8:00 am

    Quoting Bumpkin2013:
    It happens.I know because I have "been there"I had major surgery, which almost killed me.I was taken back to recovery, but things deteriorated, My stomach was swelling up, I was bleeding to death.I was raced back to theatre, and although I was out cold, I heard every word spoken by the medical team..I was VERY terrified, I didn't know the doctor/s first name, but I heard the other staff say "You have lost her RAY".I had no speech, but could see and hear everything being discussed about my demise.In the latter part, I grabbed the front of the doctors jacket, and just about ripped it off of him.!I was even able to tell them that I had heard partying people some where, Yes , he said I had been raced back to theatre via an outside balcony, and the doctors were giving some girls in the street some flirting.!I left my body and was WHOOSHED down over a huge row of hedges.I didnt "meet" anyoneThis happened on eleventh november 1980. and I still have the letter I wrote to my family from hospital. I am FAR from religous, but do belive I left this life temporarily..A catholin nun , a nurse, did a thesis on me.I am still terrified to lay down at night, because some times I still feeel I am being dragged away.
Bumpkin.Thank you so much for stopping by my blog. Your experience is unique . Dr. Parnia says. “It seems like the mental experience of death is much broader than what’s been assumed in the past.” He describes such experiences as follows:
Fear
Seeing animals or plants
Bright light
Violence and persecution
Deja-vu
Seeing family
Recalling events post-cardiac arrest
Do not be scared of death, Bumpkin.We shall experience it eventually when the time comes. Until then, We must not be terrified of something about which we do not know anything for sure! Enjoy your life and sleep always peacefully.


looklook 84M
3925 posts
4/13/2016 8:18 am

    Quoting Maudie1:
    Very interesting read. I have heard of stories very similar to what Bumpkin experienced.
Thanks for you comment. Maudie. I appreciate. Bumpkin's experience is really unique. As said at above by me, I trust that death is nothing but a feeling of peace and pleasantness. Take care and remain cheerful always!


looklook 84M
3925 posts
4/13/2016 8:25 am

    Quoting Rocketship:
    I'm not afraid of death. It's the process of dying that be terrifying.
Thanks for your comment on the matter! I am in full agreement with you, Rocketship. Wish you all the best. Take care.


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
4/13/2016 1:11 pm

I too have heard of experiences similar to that of Bumpkin's. Having twice experienced a potentially violent death at the hands of another left me wondering if what I had experienced was a foretaste of 'life' after death/death. In both instances I was pinned down and alone with the assailant - utterly helpless/at their mercy - in the first I abandoned myself to my fate as I had no choice; the second instance saw a window of opportunity which I quickly took. Both experiences were similar in that I seemed to have entered a state of suspension/deep meditative state - calm yet acutely aware of my surroundings, reasoning not impaired. It made me think of St Paul's words - 'Death, where is thy sting?'.


looklook 84M
3925 posts
4/13/2016 9:24 pm

    Quoting lilium6:
    I too have heard of experiences similar to that of Bumpkin's. Having twice experienced a potentially violent death at the hands of another left me wondering if what I had experienced was a foretaste of 'life' after death/death. In both instances I was pinned down and alone with the assailant - utterly helpless/at their mercy - in the first I abandoned myself to my fate as I had no choice; the second instance saw a window of opportunity which I quickly took. Both experiences were similar in that I seemed to have entered a state of suspension/deep meditative state - calm yet acutely aware of my surroundings, reasoning not impaired. It made me think of St Paul's words - 'Death, where is thy sting?'.
I wonder how I should respond to your comments.lilium. Your experiences could be compared with the fourth theme, that is, violence and persecution, as mentioned at above in response to Bumpkin's comments. Let me add the following in response to your reference to St Paul's words:
"Paul images to himself death as a beast with a deadly sting!
According to van Hengel, Paul is speaking of the present life, namely, of the joy of hope."
Lilium, You have survived both the ordeals. Therefore live out the remaining part of your life joyously! Have a pleasant time with your loved ones!


lilium6 74F
4498 posts
4/14/2016 1:06 am

I meant 'Death, where is thy sting?' in the context of 'life' after death, of having nothing to fear as 'death' has been overcome. My understanding is limited and I may well be delusional but I am content with what I know for now. Hope that makes sense.


looklook 84M
3925 posts
4/14/2016 8:31 pm

    Quoting lilium6:
    I meant 'Death, where is thy sting?' in the context of 'life' after death, of having nothing to fear as 'death' has been overcome. My understanding is limited and I may well be delusional but I am content with what I know for now. Hope that makes sense.
Since you are content with what you know,I see no reason why it should not make sense to you. However,I may say here that the article, "Overcoming The Fear of Death" written by Alex Lickerman helped me a lot to understand something about the fear! Thanks again for your posts!