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MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
1/8/2018 10:37 am

It's not only in the news that we see this type of thinking. There is a situation in Joe's family that is just like this. Certain ones see the facts the way they want to see them, and that makes them the truth. They take things they have no personal knowledge of, listen to one other person's comments and believe that as gospel. And the arguments get started!
Multiple that by various news organizations, all with their own slant and agenda, repeat it time and time again....... and it's enough to make one go


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2018 11:51 am

Well, what you say is the truth.

the only question I have....is why don't you do as you preach?

There is simply.. NOBODY here. that explains the meaning of facts greater than you, and ignores the facts, that have meaning, you don't want to hear.

You interpret the fact to your liking.....which means to you there is no such thing as facts, just your interpretation. You call me confused, I call you narrowminded.
the reason I call you that is because.... It seems only your interpretation of the facts...makes them facts or not. I've spent three days trying to explain it.. and you call me "confused"
Does the Left do it.. yes they do.. the so called Left media does it most of the time... Fox News does it all the time, and so it is............ YOU do it all the time.

It amazes me the propensity you have to recognize what other people do, and not recognize it in yourself.
I say let the facts speak for themselves, and keep the meaning of those fact to yourself....Why is it that when I say that, I know you can't do it.....You can't do it, because you won't like the results.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2018 12:22 pm

One needs to understand the difference between fact and opinion.
Facts are a categorical truth... opinions are just a possible truth, people are entitled to opinions but opinion can't change the facts.

Remember...Facts are categorical truths.....Opinions are POSSIBLE truths

.Trump lies.. is a fact
Obama lies.. is an opinion

Hillary used the wrong email server.. is a fact
Hillary belongs in jail.. is an opinion.

Trump objectifies women....is a fact
Hillary is not a real woman.....is an opinion

Tax cuts.. predominately serve the rich.. is a fact
Tax cuts...serve the middle class... is an opinion

Roy Moore as a thirty year old dated teenager girl.. is a fact
Roy Moore is a pedophile... is an opinion

The Russians tried to interfer with our elections... is a fact
Trump colludes with the Russians........ is an opinion

Trump fired Comey, because of his investigation of the Russians, and his non-loyalty pledge.. is a fact
Trump's obstruction of justice is an opinion... soon to become a fact.

The so called liberal news media presents facts and opinions..... is a fact.
Fox news.. presents just opinions.... is an opinion.

Maisie's belief that the ends justify the means..... is a fact.
My opinion that maisie is full of crap to believe that... is an opinion.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2018 12:55 pm

You can say I do it too.

but not really.. I know the difference. Any time i suggest the meaning of a fact. it's only a possible truth, for you to think about.. it's not a fact.

I understand it well enough to use other people opinions to point out possible truths.

The total denial of my opinion, and the opinions of others.. denies other possible truths.. This is where one tries to make their opinion..... a fact.

When in fact a differing opinion or possible truth, categorically makes their opinion not a fact.

Now comes the rub......they deny it, but totally understand it.
The reverse.... becomes their modus operendi.... have an unsubstantiated opinion, creating an impossible truth to be a possible truth, even though they don't believe.. Do it....to deny the fact.

Every one of the things I listed above as fact... they will come up with an impossible truth, to try and deny it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/8/2018 7:11 pm

    Quoting  :

What I said about Roy Moore is as a thirty-five year old. he "dated" girls in their teens
that is a fact.. anything else someone thinks is an opinion.

You can't read....take off the bias bi-focals.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2018 8:09 am

    Quoting  :

You live in a fantasy world of made up sh*t..

You want to live in a fantasy world, where there are no political facts.. just opinion against opinion,
and your opinion should be considered the fact.

Trump lies is a fact...Just like it rained yesterday in Kansas City.. then again maybe it didn't.. maybe it was just God's tears because the Chiefs lost....
Hillary used the "wrong" server.... ti's a base statement, any other word beside wrong is an opinion.

Trump objectifies women is a fact....There is no other possible explanation for the things he has said and done. The fact is.. it's not about what people think..it's about what people do.
I give Trump a lot more lead way than some others.. I judge Trump not by an individual accounting events, but by his body of work.
Now Let's take Roy Moore, for example, Roy Moore objectifies women. I only know one thing.. In which, it makes that a fact...Roy more "dated" a fourteen and sixteen year girl when was in his thirties. I simply can not think of that fact, without thinking, how it objectifies women...Say whatever, you want about it, it doesn't change it... He likes them young? WTF? His religious beliefs says it okay,.. no matter how you say it...it objectifies women. Unlike Trump who would require a multitude of things.... to make his a fact.

Tax cuts predominately help the rich...Well , words do limits meanings.. sometimes we can try and change words to try and change the fact. But rich is the one I choose. The fact is every word I choose is my opinion of what that word means... Stringing a bunch of words together still doesn't change the fact. but it sure helps your ability to attack the fact
Trump fired Comey.. by his own admission, of course the only fact that makes that not a fact, is the fact that Trump lies.

Now "Tennessee beat Kansas City on Sunday".... well I could argue that is not a fact...but I unlike you... would not stoop that low.

It's a fact that Senator Lindsey Graham.... called Trump a "kook', a nut job....It's also a fact he's now condemning others for calling him that.. So it's a fact ..
You have your opinion on what that fact means... and I have mine. Neither one of us.. can change the fact. For some reason. Graham either changed his mind, or HE'S the only one who has the right to do it, or he's a liar. Take your choice, but whatever choice that is.....it is and opinion.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2018 8:21 am

Maisie every word you write and every word I writ is an opinion....The words themselves are an opinion... I understand that and I understand how people can misunderstand my words because of it.

The word are to be consider in the realm of it meaning, not in your opinion of your SPECIFIC meaning. to try and change the content, of what I say.

And so it is... in your mind....

That any thought of a an attack on King Trump... is an an attack on the Realm.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/9/2018 9:02 am

    Quoting  :

"None of us are surprised"....Is that an opinion or just flatulence? Actually, it's a very smelly lie.........none of are surprised..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2018 12:42 pm

    Quoting  :

YOU DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

You want to define..... LIE?....... as narrow as possible.

Listen the man does not tell the truth, almost every single time he opens his mouth...

Again you are using words to defeat my meanings... In the realm of the word lying.
Trump is the king.. Other people have specific lies and know the difference .
Trump doesn't know the difference or doesn't care... So, that means I can't call him a liar?
I don't dispute Your OPINION that trump doesn't know the difference, or in his world it's the truth.. that doesn't change the fact he lies.
It Just makes him crazy as a loon, and You too, for going along with it.
I don't need to tell you the obvious. if you can't see it.. you can't see.
There is NO other possibility...Don't tell me he's not lying.. Tell me .. he's telling the Truth. Don't bother trying to argue this.... by the word truth as an opinion... It only shows you don't what the truth is, truth is fact, it's not optional.
That's not my opinion.. that's my fact.


Rentier1

1/9/2018 3:33 pm

Fact: There is no wall that was promised.
Fact: The Mexicans aren't going to pay for it.

Fact: 3 million illegals did not vote for Clinton

Fact: The FBI director is not there to serve the president.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2018 5:09 pm

    Quoting  :

you just can't stop..

You do it with words, with no meaning. what something doesn't mean.

Say what it means not what it doesn't mean..

Answer the question ... Does Trump tell the truth?

Lying is a way to say someone is not telling the truth

So because you're into semantics... I'll change it...Trump does not tell the truth..
How many time does someone have to not tell the truth to become a liar...
In trump case it's almost every time, not just one.

I'll tell you what..... give me a time that trump has told the truth

like for instance..

he's going to build a wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it
Tax cuts will cost him money, because it's just for the middle class
The Access Hollywood tapes are a lie.
I didn't do what all those women said i did.. you don't believe me ..." Just look at her"
It's not a Muslim ban
I'm a genius
Unbelieveable deals.. I'm gonna make unbelievable deal
There nothing wrong with my tax returns.. but I am not showing them anyway.
I go to my resorts for ALL my off time. I work there... but I don't profit from it. Even though golf payments to trump resorts for secret service has totalled more than $150,000 not counting rooms, meals etc...
I never recieved funding from Russians, even though my son said it's our primary funding
No one in my campaign teams had contact with Russians.
all my twits are true.. I'll tell my supporter the truth that no else is telling them.
The news media is the opposition party, and the enemy of the people.
There were 'fine people among the Charlotte marchers.
I could shoot somebody on fifth ave, and not lose supporters

PolitiFact, the nonpartisan fact-checking outlet based in Florida, is out today with its mid-year report on the 2016 election. It's an attempt to take a step back from the day-to-day grind of the campaign and see which candidates are telling the truth and which aren't.

Donald Trump isn't.

Of the 158 Trump claims that PolitiFact has checked out, 95 have been rated either "False" or "Pants on Fire." That's 60 percent of all Trump claims. As PolitiFact notes, if you include the Trump statements rated "mostly false" in that group, 78 percent of all of Trump's fact-checked claims have been scored "mostly false" or worse.

That's not even the most amazing fact in the PolitiFact report. That honor goes to this: "Trump has more statements rated Pants on Fire, 30, than the 21 other candidates for president we’ve fact-checked this cycle combined." Ben Carson comes in second in "Pants on Fire" ratings -- with four!

Now Trump may not LIE??????.. He just doesn't tell the truth.. I say that's a fact.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/9/2018 5:35 pm

    Quoting  :

.. no where in the oath of office does it say You will serve at the pleasure of the President. Every single appointee. is asked the same question...will you serve at the pleasure of the president ..or the Constitution? No where in the Constitution does it say government employees serve at the pleasure of the President

1. Can you spell F**K like in wall?"....answer........ there is no F**K in wall

2 Mexico says they aren't going to pay, Trump tried to get them to pay...He even said.. well tell the American people you're going to pay.. but you really don't have to...

3. Now again with semantics and meanings... "voter fraud"..... is that voters who commit fraud... or maybe it's a fraud on the voters......Trump formed a committee, investigated, and came up with three people instead of three million, and those three people voted for him...? How much more proof do you need?

4. I answered that above....... kind of... to use your semantic... "serve" is word who's meaning can be interpreted.. Now.. the firing part is true. so serve at the pleasure of the President or be fired.. makes more sense. There is no obligation to serve, only a personal obligation to NOT get fired.
Which Trump uses, and fools like you believe....He's the best one to have blackmailed his people to serve him, or be fired. He did it in business and does it in government