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MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
3/19/2018 7:00 am

These protesters had such little knowledge of the constitution or of the guns they believed they were protesting. It seems like it was just the kind of things high school kids like to do..... skip school, and shout catchy slogans. What in this protest gave honor to the slain students?
Another question I have is how did those surviving students have the ability and the money to go to DC so quickly after the tragedy?
That student in Ohio was a bit of a rebel himself...... he was given a choice to go to the protest or go to an area where other students who were not protesting were gathered under the supervision of a teacher. He chose to do neither because he didn't want to pick sides. So that meant he was either left unsupervised in a classroom or a teacher had to remain there with him. But it got him all kinds of publicity for not going on the protest? Kind of misleading from the "other" side.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
3/19/2018 7:03 am

On another note............. our local TV channel carried a story about a pro-gun rally in the city. There were about 500 people, and no screaming, trashing, fights, or arrests.
That should give a thinking person some food for thought when compared to the anti-gun crowd.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Rentier1

3/19/2018 7:06 am

The truly courageous are the NRA and their supporters.
It takes great courage, gumption, and determination to run against all reason.

Rather brings to mind the tobacco industry and its courageous efforts in the light of overwhelming medical evidence.


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
3/19/2018 10:57 am

Maisie, you said, "The person sitting next to me in a restaurant owning a gun , does not affect me. If they were smoking, it would."
How true that is! People are not even aware of those carrying guns around them, they are concealed and not readily visible. In fact, I would venture to say that those of us who have been to bashes were not even aware of the other members of SFF who were carrying. Unless you were personally familiar with someone well enough to know it, you wouldn't even notice.
Smoking on the other hand is very noticeable, even when they don't have a cigarette in their hand.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 11:44 am

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This blog is not about the youth movement anyways, it's about American Seniors who allow themselves to be used as pawns or political proxies to advance the agendas of the Republican Party, their lobbyists, like the corporate war industry and their pushers, like the NRA and Fox.


dusty117 73M

3/19/2018 11:53 am

Hogwash ...

In a Nation of over 300 million people you can pretty much write anything you want and surely be able to find a few people to support your story.

"Courageous, brave" are definitely not words I've been hearing to describe the students in this movement. "Courageous and brave" isn't the theme of it! There's nothing courageous and brave about it. That's like saying Republicans voting 60 times to repeal Obamacare is courageous and brave.

Maybe ask your local spin doctors why they're leading their sheep down this path?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 12:10 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Maisie, you said, "The person sitting next to me in a restaurant owning a gun , does not affect me. If they were smoking, it would."
    How true that is! People are not even aware of those carrying guns around them, they are concealed and not readily visible. In fact, I would venture to say that those of us who have been to bashes were not even aware of the other members of SFF who were carrying. Unless you were personally familiar with someone well enough to know it, you wouldn't even notice.
    Smoking on the other hand is very noticeable, even when they don't have a cigarette in their hand.

There is a term in Psychology called "weapons effect". Many studies have been done on the effect of weapons, whether they are seen or not. The fact that America has this gun culture has a huge effect on every citizen's psyche. Even without formal psychological studies, it is very obvious to those outside the US that the proliferation of guns, the many gun deaths, the frequent mass shootings, the carrying of guns in public, all contribute to a generally more aggressive society.


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
3/19/2018 12:11 pm

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I see what you are saying, but I don't believe most high school students have the maturity to weigh matters and make responsible choices yet. This seems to be born out by the way they were manipulated by the teachers and others who politicized the whole issue and worked them up into a frenzy with this "protest". The high school walk outs made great optics for the gun oppositionists, but in the long run, it changes nothing.
By the time these students become voters and politicians themselves, their frenzy over this hot button item will have been forgotten for the next issue, whatever it may be.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 12:24 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I see what you are saying, but I don't believe most high school students have the maturity to weigh matters and make responsible choices yet. This seems to be born out by the way they were manipulated by the teachers and others who politicized the whole issue and worked them up into a frenzy with this "protest". The high school walk outs made great optics for the gun oppositionists, but in the long run, it changes nothing.
    By the time these students become voters and politicians themselves, their frenzy over this hot button item will have been forgotten for the next issue, whatever it may be.
So the present number of gun deaths in the US is just fine with you?........For you, thoughts and prayers are sufficient response to the deaths, injuries, trauma and grief?.....Really?.......You brought up 8 children ......were none of them independent thinkers? Did you dismiss their deeply held beliefs when they were high-school age..?......When the next mass slaughter happens, are you just going to wash rinse and repeat?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 12:47 pm

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Is his pocket copy of the Holy American Constitution bullet-proof? ........Tucker Carlson is not a priest, he's just a dumb guy who once walked in on his grandparents humping and the expression on his face was permanently fused into his features........you know it's insane, this American gun fetish, surely.....and all the associations to religion, the church of the NRA......which has the same tax status as a religious organization.........yet spends billions on lobbying........and Fox is their main propaganda arm ..........and yet you, so obviously one of the robots, dismisses these kids as not knowing their own minds......You, who haven't had an original thought since you first tuned into Fox........

Thing is, Maisie, those kids aren't the ones calling themselves brave and courageous, they are focused on their homeland breaking free of enslavement to armed aggression........but never mind.......you just keep posting your little googled trivia lessons on a seniors site.....So courageous of you....


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
3/19/2018 1:11 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    So the present number of gun deaths in the US is just fine with you?........For you, thoughts and prayers are sufficient response to the deaths, injuries, trauma and grief?.....Really?.......You brought up 8 children ......were none of them independent thinkers? Did you dismiss their deeply held beliefs when they were high-school age..?......When the next mass slaughter happens, are you just going to wash rinse and repeat?
Children of high school age are easy led around by flashy emotional causes, and very few have really deeply held beliefs at that age. Yes, I raised 8 children and I listened to what they had to say at that age, but I also was very aware that they were emotionally fickle at that age.
As for being concerned about people around me with concealed weapons, no I am not concerned. A legal gun owner who has a concealed carry has gone through classes and checks to get that permit and knows far more about guns than the average non-carrying person does. I have no fear that they are going to take out their gun and start shooting.
The ones to fear are those who are hell bent on arming themselves, whether legally or not, they don't care, and killing people. Should one of those come into a crowded area and start shooting, I would be mighty glad to have some folks with concealed guns to be there and take down that shooter.
I maintain that it is a societal issue, and not a gun issue. Our society has bred some folks who have no respect for others or for the lives of others. Listen to the music, look at some of the video games, and walk in certain areas of our cities, like Chicago, and see examples of it.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Rentier1

3/19/2018 2:11 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Maisie, you said, "The person sitting next to me in a restaurant owning a gun , does not affect me. If they were smoking, it would."
    How true that is! People are not even aware of those carrying guns around them, they are concealed and not readily visible. In fact, I would venture to say that those of us who have been to bashes were not even aware of the other members of SFF who were carrying. Unless you were personally familiar with someone well enough to know it, you wouldn't even notice.
    Smoking on the other hand is very noticeable, even when they don't have a cigarette in their hand.

If I ever needed a reason to avoid SFF gatherings, you just gave me one.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 7:14 pm

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The statistics are based on population....usually by number of gun deaths per 100,000 pop........all the charts I've seen, the US is way beyond any other developed country....where did you find the statistics on the gun deaths in the EU?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 7:28 pm

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You're living in lala land.......The EU population is more than twice that of the USA and had 6,700 gun deaths in 2015 and the article was about the concern of rising gun deaths........You don't get the impression that there are a lot of gun deaths in your country?


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/19/2018 7:31 pm

    Quoting Rentier1:
    If I ever needed a reason to avoid SFF gatherings, you just gave me one.
No kidding, eh?....... and they don't think it has any affect on their psyche.......


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
3/20/2018 11:52 am

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Please note that all data comes from the FBI report on Crime in the United States.
Violent Crime Rate By State

#1 Alaska
#2 New Mexico
#3 Nevada
#4 Tennessee
#5 Louisiana

California and Oregon didn't even make the top 10. Hmmm, maybe the "left wing" cities aren't as bad as you'd have some believe. Your comment made me do a little checking - there are other interesting statistics on drug use, gun ownership, poverty and gun deaths per state, per capita. Interestingly enough the far left California isn't in the top 10 of any of the categories. So why is California on your hit list?


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
3/20/2018 6:32 pm

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Maisie's comment...last line.
"No, they will vote Democrat, for the same hacks, most of them , and we will have more Californias , Portlands, and every other left wing city with poverty, high crime and drugs."


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/20/2018 9:11 pm

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Do you really think that splitting hairs is going to change the number of gun-deaths and injuries in the US?........Life is not a trivia game.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/20/2018 9:44 pm

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Yes, you look at the subject with the prejudice of your Religion. You and your fellow anthropocentrics have the attitude that Human life is more important than any other form of life........You say that you are "pro-life" when what you mean is "pro pre-born human life" You say "life begins at conception" when sperm and ova and a gazillion other life-forms exist in the Human body and surrounds us in every animal, plant, bacteria, virus, mold and a gazillion other life-forms.......You support the destruction of life in your political stances......constantly.......but a cell-cluster that is dependent on the support of another mature, independent, thinking, breathing Human, is somehow, treated by you as if it has a status higher than all the other life-forms, including those that the host is dependent on for life.........It's notable that the states with the most insistent, active pro-lifers are the states with the highest infant and mother mortality rates.....why is the life of a Human embryo more important than a post-born mother and child?.......


MrsJoe 76F
17367 posts
3/21/2018 6:29 am

Maisie, concerning the topic of your blog, the walkouts............ I just heard one of the students at the last school say, "We didn't expect this because we just had a walkout about gun violence last week." (maybe not an exact quote, but almost)
So sad, and shows the immaturity of young people at that age. As they grow up, hopefully they will realize that just saying something doesn't make it so. Just passing laws doesn't make everyone abide by those laws. And they have been used by political forces, just as other minorities have been.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
3/21/2018 10:14 am

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Try looking at the big picture for a change.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/21/2018 2:04 pm

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It was meant for you and yes, I must be totally "losing it" LOL......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/21/2018 8:48 pm

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Not consciously "thinking about it" doesn't mean it doesn't affect you subconsciously........In fact, denial and subverting uncomfortable emotions is a common coping mechanism.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
3/21/2018 8:55 pm

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Well, that's just your opinion, not an objective truth.....as a matter of fact, the increasing Human population is causing the extinction of other species.......unfortunately for us, we are dependent, not only on the same conditions as other species, we are dependent on those other species for our very survival.


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
3/23/2018 10:42 am

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Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago
July 12, 2016 In The News
The Guardian


Rep Gregg Harper, Jackson, Mississippi, 35.4 murder rate per 100,000 people in 2014

Rep Garret Graves, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 23.4 murder rate per 100,000 people in 2014

Rep Michael Turner, Dayton, Ohio, 18.9 murder rate per 100,000 people in 2014

Rep Jackie Walorski, South Bend, Indiana, 16.9 murder rate per 100,000 people in 2014

Rep Kevin Yoder, Kansas City, Kansas, 16.8 murder rate per 100,000 people in 2014

Reps David Rouzer and Walter Jones, Wilmington, North Carolina, 15.9 murder rate per 100,000 people in 2014

Rep Charles Fleischman, Chattanooga, Tennessee. 15.5 murder rate per 100,000people in 2014