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MrsJoe 76F
17383 posts
4/26/2018 7:33 am

I agree with you on this. I do say it is a societal problem though, because as a society, we have lost the value of individual responsibility. Your observation of the students at Parkland is a prime example. They want to get in front of the cameras and yell for the government to fix the problem, but they don't want to be inconvenienced in any way. The cry is "YOU fix this problem, but don't bother me to do anything that causes me any inconvenience in my lifestyle."

One of my daughters was once married to a man who was just lazy and knew how to manipulate people and work the system. She made excuses for every "failure" he had, and it was always someone else's fault. I finally asked her if all the other women he had been with had been horrible people, was every job boss "out to get him", and was every personnel manager against him and wouldn't hire him for just no reason? I tried to get her see that she was enabling him to be the way he was and she finally realized that she was part of the problem, not the solution to his problems the way she was trying to be. By not making him take responsibility for his own actions, she was actually crippling him even more.
I think as a society, we do the same thing to individuals who would chose to be "victims" and take no personal responsibility for their own actions.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2018 7:54 am

Your dichotomous thinking and constant splitting is getting too extreme for there to be any point in discussion.......


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/26/2018 8:27 am

society

/səˈsʌɪɪti/

noun

noun: society

1.

the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.
"drugs, crime, and other dangers to society"

synonyms: the community, the public, the general public, the people, the population;



"I have noticed a pattern with the Left. When a horrible event like a mass shooting takes place, the narrative to always blame the collective, not the individual."

Seems to me that when you say "Blame society" you really mean "blame the Left" That, of course, is your creed which you incessantly repeat ad nauseum..

Obviously you regard yourself as something apart from "society", more as a victim of it, since it doesn't do as you think it should.
In fact...all you are doing is denying your existence as part of "society"... AND, OF COURSE, YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY TOWARD IT.


starwomyn 70F
8872 posts
4/26/2018 9:26 am

Frequently, the law abiding citizen does have to pay the price for the criminals. Trying to get on a plane requires long lines and searches for contraband. A woman was detained for a bottle of breast milk and was reprimanded when she didn't "cover up" to nurse her baby while being detained. Getting a renewal for a driver's license is also a major league hassle especially for women who have multiple name changes due to marriages.

Abracadabra


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/26/2018 10:53 am

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Because maisie says the same thing in every blog..."Blame the left" That's what she meant with this blog.
As Sparkle says it's futile to try to discuss anything WITH EITHER OF YOU..

And I did not insult anyone, it's your belief that disagreement itself is personal insult, not mine.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/26/2018 11:16 am

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You still talking to yourself over there?.....Apparently so, there is no end to the irony.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/26/2018 11:51 pm

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No, I don't have to call anyone a turd... in the case of you and maisie, all I have to do is disagree with either or both of you. Which I do on a regular basis... simply because I think differently. Why you would expect any Liberal thinker to agree with your continual degradation of them beats me! Yet that's what you do, and you hammer away at it constantly... Dividing "society" into left or right to suit you, completely ignoring the fact that society has existed for thousands of years, long before you were ever heard of.
You give yourselves a pass on insulting millions of people every day and anyone who disagrees is insulting you .
I do more than disagree...like some others in SFF, I question your motives.
Why? Because I am stunned that educated people can have such small minds.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/27/2018 8:44 am

Don't you get it? Don't you see what you do?
Let me explain...

You write a blog and title it "BLAME SOCIETY"

Your first words of that blog are...

"I have noticed a pattern with the Left. When a horrible event like a mass shooting takes place, the narrative to always blame the collective, not the individual."

You are blaming the left for being "collective"...while insisting that "society" should not blame the "collective" but the individual!!!

Are you really completely unaware that you insult millions of people every time you blame the left for everything that's "wrong" in your view? Do you really think it's perfectly ok for you to blame in the collective...but it's wrong for anyone else?

Then you say "Why this obsession with the group and not the individual ? It is not " society" we interact with every day, it is individual people."

Actually, that's wrong, because each of those individuals becomes one part of the whole, when speaking of society.

To my understanding, at least...Society is a large group of people who live together in an organized way, making decisions about how to do things and sharing the work that needs to be done. All the people in a country, or in several similar countries, can be referred to as a society:

Surely it's self-explanatory just why society exists...and why it has to be based on the needs of everyone, not individuals. So, each individual is responsible as part of our civic and social duty within that society for the ways in which we live, make laws etc. There are many good reasons for the existence of society.

That is the common belief of the Western World we live in.No matter what you think.
What you state in this blog does not make sense you are blaming others for doing exactly what you, yourself, are doing!
You are expecting others to make sense of some very odd reasoning!



sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/27/2018 11:44 am

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"No one gives you the right to pass judgment on the motives of others who disagree with you. A narrow-minded bigot who constantly upbraids others used to be known as a scold. The word still fits." Perhaps if you took your own words to heart, you wouldn't be at constant loggerheads.........or is that what you want?..


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/27/2018 12:21 pm

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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/28/2018 2:00 am

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Why can't you grasp that when an individual cannot or will not take his/her individual responsibilities...it is up to the collective to take it? That is why we have a collective responsibility to each other and to our state/country... in other words Human Society. If society is unwilling or unable to address individual responsibility / crime...then society must share that blame because they have reacted by simply doing nothing.
This is not "politics"...it is basic sociology...with a touch of ethics.

You are saying that maisie is "defending" society...while, in reality she is attempting to divide it. Nobody is giving killers a pass, nobody excuses what they've done... unless, of course, we do nothing to stop them...then we are, in fact, aiding and abetting wholesale murder. If we do nothing about anything that is dangerous to human life, society is guilty. Deny that all you like...but you are denying truth. Even if it is truth as seen by a "plodding Scottish mind"


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/29/2018 3:03 am

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Thank you maisie... that was very illuminating.