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MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
6/12/2018 9:49 am

It is a beginning. Period. But a very good beginning. I'm quite sure that Kim knows he is not trusted and that he will have to earn that trust by actions rather than just words. Hence, the sanctions remain in effect for now.
However, I am hopeful that after he saw the difference in conditions of Singapore and his own country, that he would want to work for the betterment of his whole country. His comment about overcoming the ideas and prejudices of the past to get to the summit was encouraging.
We will see, time will tell...... but I do say, "Well done, Mr. President."


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17309 posts
6/12/2018 11:46 am

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Do people really care what they had to eat? Isn't that a bit preposterous? Would they have squawked if McDonald's had been delivered? I bet they would have said it was too "common" a meal for such a meeting. Good grief, can't they be satisfied by anything done by Trump?
You don't need to answer that last question, it was purely rhetorical.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 11:53 am

When you get two LIARS in a room..Do you expect to come out with the truth?

In an era of political gamesmanship....the only question you need to have is...... who's "playing" who.

So you think.. PEACE...has anything do do with it?

Well my opinions is Kim is playing Trump for the "big picture".. and Trump is playing Kim for the little picture. Of course you can't understand that..and I don't have enough words to explain it..

But here's what Kim knows.....He needs to change his image..at NO cost to him..
So his objective is to give something but not everything....
With the knowledge, because he's dealing with Trump.... he won't have to give anything...

Because Trump is Trump and without getting everything .. he'll blow up the deal.. pushing the envelope to get everything... what Trump says now... doesn't matter.

Kim doesn't want a deal.. but he's smart enough to realize...He can get it all and give nothing...by just letting Trump try to take it all, and then get nothing. This is NOT about US and "them".. It's about "them" and the rest of the world..

Maisie I tell you what.. if there is a "peace deal" ( I doubt it will even get that far) that's go beyond the end of the year (after the election) I'll take everything back. I think about Trump..

Peace... you got to fricken kidding me... if you think this is about PEACE.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 12:24 pm

Maisie.. think of the Iran nuclear deal......look beyond your nose....what do think happened.. and what do you think is happening? What does the rest of the world think of Us.. about blowing up that deal (except Israel)..... they're coming to the Iran's rescue.. and they're going to come the rescue of KIM too. He knows it.. and that is the "deal" he's NOT making with TRUMP, so he can make it with the rest of the World......Kim wants to be the victim, at least appear to be.. he'll play the victim card to the hilt.. That's what happens when you put two LIARS in a room.......and one of them.. can NEVER be the VICTIM..

All you have to do is think about it...Think about G7 and trade, think about Climate Change.,
Think about DACA's.. and what Trump did.
The one thing I know for sure.....he won't change... he's going to do it.. to North Korea too..


Rocketship 79F
18531 posts
6/12/2018 1:10 pm

***For the sake of the whole world, I sincerely hope this agreement will be peace to that area!!


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 1:17 pm

"Kim wants to be the victim, at least appear to be.. he'll play the victim card to the hilt.. That's what happens when you put two LIARS in a room.......and one of them.. can NEVER be the VICTIM.."

Maisie.. you just don't get it......

Russian interference.. explains it all....
Trump could have gotten out of it .. so easy... It's amazing how easy.. it could have been.. but he just couldn't do it..

All Trump had to do.. is say.. Yes, he won the election.... but HE was also a VICTIM of RUSSIAN interference.....Just like everyone else..
In that world of uncertainty,, that statement would have more truth to it, than the obvious lies.. Because Trump was a Victim of Russian interference , even if he doesn't know it....even if he can't admit it...... And Trump has no other choice.. but to be the victim.. in his dealing with Kim..... Even if he doesn't know it..even if he can't admit it.

But you see...... TRUMP thinks he can NEVER be .."THE VICTIM"... and certainly he can NEVER admit it.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 1:59 pm

Neither one of those azzholes wants PEACE

To them.. Peace?......... WTF is THAT?

They want A DEAL.......Not PEACE.... The DEAL.. has nothing to do with PEACE.

What they want is IN "the deal" not in the PEACE..

SO..... zero balance will prevail...and neither side can get all they want from the DEAL.
What they DON"T get.. will break the deal.. Peace won't enter.it.. in either one of their minds..... to compensate for not getting what they want......If that was the case there would already be PEACE.

So the situation is ...who breaks the deal?.. who is going to show their hand that PEACE doesn't matter..
Kim won't show his hand...but Trump will, and he'll make shit up doing it.. too..


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/12/2018 2:32 pm

Well, Maisie, people are sceptical based on past performance.....hours before meeting with Kim, Trump was lying and trumpeting his ignorance to the whole world..........and Kim is murdering and torturing as we speak........it will take more than signing their names and patting each other to gain the trust of the world.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 2:59 pm

For those of you who think that Trump admits to being victim of a "witch hunt".

He's not admitting to anything.........

You see, you're not REALLY a victim.. when your the VICTIM of a LIE.. It's not the same.
In fact, it proves my point...
Being a victim of lie is being a victim of perception.. That's not real..

Again Trump cannot admit it.... that TRUMP is a VICTIM of a WITCH HUNT.
That's not a LIE
He's a REAL VICTIM of a REAL WITCH HUNT..
He may go to his GRAVE believing It's a lie......but what I say about that... the sooner the better..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 3:46 pm

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First thing about a deal....is you give something and get something back..
Well, the Iranians, stopped producing nuclear bomb material...That's what we got for like seven years in the agreement and it was verifiable.

What they got was their MONEY back....WE took from them...Yes... it was their money, we put a hold on.. WE sanctioned them and took their money...ever since the "hostages"

All in all.... it certainly wasn't the best deal.....but it was a "deal"

Piss ant.. KIM, doesn't want anything back from US....doesn't even care about the sanctions .... if he can work around it.....He doesn't want nuclear bombs to blow us up.....he want nuclear bomb to get our attention...and the worlds attention.. And WE can't "GIVE" him anything he wants.... except justification.
What he wants and what we can give him...is the justification for seventy years of hating US.. and proving to the world they we're right and prove we have always been the ENEMY.
This summit .. why ....hasn't it happened before? Because we didn't have Trump, and now he finally has the chance of proving it.... Can't you see that for KIm.. it's a win/win situation for KIM.. blow him up and he wins.. don't blow him up, but try to punish him some other way.. and he still wins. Of course... he prefers the "other way" and that's what's he's getting. but when you're a fanatic it doesn't really matter..
My Gosh.. can't you see what's going on .. In the world?
As soon as we tell the world.. we don't NEED allies.. to take advantage of US..
Then we don't have any.. and all we got left is enemies.
And our enemy's, enemies.. no longer become their enemy..
To make it "America First".....means America has to stand on it's own... and in the world today.. THAT"S IMPOSSIBLE.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 4:19 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Well, Maisie, people are sceptical based on past performance.....hours before meeting with Kim, Trump was lying and trumpeting his ignorance to the whole world..........and Kim is murdering and torturing as we speak........it will take more than signing their names and patting each other to gain the trust of the world.

There you go again.. siding with one lying sack of shit , over another lying sack of shit.. LMAO

You see in maisie's case... it really doesn't matter......it only matter who's shit she's sacking.. and even if .... you'er not sacking the other shit....you are.. if you're not supporting her sack of shit..

That 's a little complicated i know, maybe even CONFUSING.....but that's the way MY shit goes...
Don't it take it personal.. i don't.. because... if you're not on maisie's side you're on the other side...So, no matter which side you're on.. From maisie's standpoint we are both on the SAME side.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
6/12/2018 4:47 pm

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You don't seem to understand that ego manifests itself in different ways.. Kim has made it perfectly clear... he's happy being a big fish in a little pond.
I don't want to argue about whether he's right or wrong... He is what he is..
For 50 years he's had to deal with South Korea.....The wealth, the affluence and so-called freedom.. all under the guise of the US...All just a challenge to him, all just the enemy... We made South Korea what it is.. and he hates Us for it.. His ego.. doesn't want to BE US.. he wants to destroy US.
Not with killing and bombs like the jihadists...but expose the evil we do...even if that's just in his mind.. Because that's what the big fish in the little pond want's to think....
The is no DEAL to be made.... Kim doesn't want to be absorbed into that ocean..


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
6/12/2018 6:22 pm

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what I was saying is that people are sceptical that it is a "start" of a de-nuclearization, or a change in Kim's treatment of his people.... Trump was lying about the US trade deficit...Your Liar in Chief .......keeping everyone busy trying to keep up with his constant lies and/or idiocy.......picking fights with allies and suggesting Putin should be there......and blaming Obama for Putin's Crimean aggression.......Absolutely out of his ever-friggen mind.......but we should trust him on NK.....yeah right. .


Seattlechick8 67F

6/13/2018 5:55 am

My Issue Maisie Is Human Rights-Trump Treated Kim Like They Were Best Friends
And Was Sickening
Do I Think Kim’s Going To Change? Absolutly Not
He Is A Vile Evil Dictator Not Trumps Best Friend


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
6/13/2018 7:52 am

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It's glaringly obvious that, just like Trump, you wouldn't understand diplomacy if it bit you right on the nose!...so who are you trying to kid?

Putin and Kim Jong Un , are Trump's best friends, he has allied himself with despots who both have atrocious reputations of inhumane cruelty, and is slowly casting off the allies that have stood by America for many years. Also...it cannot be coincidence that both his "friends" run countries that would give him a base for war with China. I wouldn't trust any one of the three of them...but the three of them together are a danger to the world.

I find it amazing that you can ignore this...unless, of course, you actually want that war! It's a pity you don't have any idea what a world war means and it's only a word to you.

No matter how much you shove your "education" down our throats you don't seem as bright as you think you are
By the way...is Trump going to decrease America's nuclear weapons? I'm told America has more nuclear power than all of the rest of the world put together!./SIZE]
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Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
6/13/2018 7:54 am

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This is such shallow thinking, I am stunned!


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
6/13/2018 11:30 am

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Nice try at evasion...talking down to me while avoiding my questions. I didn't ask for proof that you have read Sun Tzu!! It's a very popular philosophy, millions of people (including me) have read it. So your "answer" means nothing because it does not apply to my questions.


Seattlechick8 67F

6/13/2018 12:09 pm

Maisie Lol Of Course I Know Exactly What He Did And Why He Did It The Way He Did
IStill Feel Human Rights Should Have Been At The Forefront