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Beth1949 75F
3163 posts
1/18/2016 8:43 am

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WHEN PROPAGANDA VS REALITY.... watch it.

I have always avoided blogging on religion but today I am and feel obliged to reveal some true facts about Egypt. I must clarify and assure first, that am not anti-Muslim nor any other religion, I've never been also.

But having seen 2 pics on a blog on here, about the so-called "Protection Christian and Muslim during prayers in Egypt". It has astounded me and also incited me to reveal the true facts. These photos are just a hype and propaganda, an eyewash to conceal the true facts and for those who are not or may not be well aware of the reality in Egypt. Therefore I have posted this blog revealing the exact situation through which Christians in Egypt have been and are still going through, since many many decades ago up till now.

May I apologize to the blogger in particular, as the photos posted on there controvert the pure verity in Egypt which he may not be aware of . Of Course, I am not against that blogger, neither of his blog. He may have found these photos striking or prominent, thinking the scene represent the truth. But they are certainly not. As I am fully aware of occurrences in Egypt, because my Christian husband is originally from there. Born, educated, worked long ago there but he had no other choice than to leave his country when he was much younger, for Holland first and then to USA, because of religious persecution, subjection, injustice and despotism in Egypt. His relatives, friends and all those from Christian faith and community, were and are still enduring such oppression and wretchedness.
I am certain of these facts, I have been with my husband to Egypt, more than 20 times on holidays, stayed with his relatives too.

If I should mention all the injustice and persecution against Christians in Egypt, the list would be too long but I'll just mention some facts which will give you the true insight of the oppression endure by those Christians over there.

Here is a brief account on Christianity and Islam in Egypt.
Copts (Coptic): are native Egyptian Christians, usually Orthodox, who currently make up around 10 to 20% of the population of Egypt, the largest religious minority of that country. While Copts have been there since AD 284 when Christianity was tolerated in the Roman Empire and St Mark was their first Patriarch. The Muslim conquest of Egypt took place in AD 639. Despite that , Egypt remained a mainly Christian land, although the influx of Arab immigrants and gradual conversions to Islam over the centuries changed Egypt from a mainly Christian to a mainly Muslim country by the end of the 14th century. This process was sped along by persecutions.Even in the Modern Era, the Muslim dominant sectarian prevents conversions from Islam to Christianity; but allows from Christianity to Muslim. And all born from any interfaith marriage, are forced to be Muslim, given Muslim names and Muslim education too. WHERE IS THEN THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!?.

Growing religious intolerance and sectarian violence against Coptic Christians are all over Egypt,though the Christians there are a quiet community. Egyptian government being under Islam influence, fails to effectively investigate properly and prosecute those responsible. The abduction and disappearance of Coptic Christian women and girls remains a serious ongoing problem. Christians are never free in their deeds and religious actions. Lots of churches have been burnt by the Muslims there, even people attending prayers, religious ceremonies, funerals, have been attacked in their churches, they were killed and even burnt alive inside too. Christian homes were destroyed by fire, abducted of women and girls, are forced into conversion and marriages were forced upon them too and born out of those forced unions, were classified as Muslims.

President Sadat had exiled the Coptic Pope for confessional strife. It was a worldwide dismay. Then later President Hosni Mubarak under International pressure, had restored that Pope to the Copts. Same dreads were under recent President Morsi and now the actual President El Sisi, tends to cool down the situation as he can but yet under the majority sectarian.

All along the past decades, Copts have been attacked, abducted, forced to convert and to marry Muslims men by force and killed innocently since 1980 onward, I have records up to 2013, how the Christians have always been the target over there. Christian Churches with devotees mainly during the Christian feasts, celebrations, prayers and gatherings, shops, pharmacies, schools, Religion offices, Libraries, Bible societies, hotels and homes have been burnt to ashes. CHRISTIANS THERE ARE LIVING IN FEAR AND IN UNEXPECTED EVENTS DAY BY DAY. I cannot mention all of the dreadful facts on here, as it's too much really.

But all has always been overlooked and punishments have been just an eyewash. These are the REALITIES in Egypt. Lots of my husband's relatives had left Egypt since long ago but there are still some of them and also close friends, who are still living there and undergoing such oppression till now. I wanted just to give you an insight of the endurance of the Copt Orthodox, Catholic, Evangelical, Baptists Atheists and all others from the Christian MInority still living in Egypt.

SO, WHERE IS THE FREEDOM, THE RIGHT, THE RELIGION RESPECT AND WHERE IS THE HARMONY??. "THEY MAY BURN ALL THE CHURCHES BUT THEY CANNOT BURN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH WHICH IS IN THE HEART TO STAY."

Sorry for this long blog but It's good to know the REALITY hidden under PROPAGANDA. Below are many proven pictures in collage which I have done as much as I could to show you real facts, left for you to ponder upon. Thank you so much for your read and views.
Sincerely,
Lisa.












Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/18/2016 9:32 am

LadyLuck, hi,

Thank you for reading this blog of mine, Lady, am always pleased for your visit and for your nice comments as well. As I've mentioned in my above text. My husband is originally from Egypt, born there from a christian family. They had suffered a lot there, Ladyluck. These photos are as from 2013, a few before too. But they are true photos as well. I hope the actual President El Sisi would be able to do anything as much as he can, to easy the tension and the wretchedness of the Christian there, Ladyluck.
These Copts are really peaceful people and don't deserve such treatment, believe me. They have never burnt or attacked any mosque, there too. Thank you dear for your concern. I wish a pleasant day. Kind regards.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/18/2016 10:26 am

LadyLuck hi again dear.
You are quite right Lady, I know how is life in Egypt, what I have said on my above blog is quite and simply the truth too. These muslims in there will never change, Lady. Life will be worst even.
Thank you again for coming back on my blog, I appreciate it very much.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/18/2016 11:33 am

LadyLuck

Though am not Egypt but my husband is. I really pity those christians there, first because I know how they live in fear, in expectation for any dreadful acts at any time and mostly during the prayers in their chrches. I think it was either last year or year before, there was an attack direct on one church where they praying and then also during the funerals ceremony for at least 4 of them who were killed the day before. Petrol bombs were thrown in that church during the prayers and many of them got burnt too. Why, why those muslims attackers do so??. While those people were just praying inside the church, no respect for the dead even!!. If I have to relate all these facts, Ladyluck, it would take days really. Anyhow, may God take care of them.
Thank you again LadyLuck. It's late at nite in my country here now and I will have to go sleep now. I wish all my best till we meet on here again. Enjoy your day Lady.
Lisa.


Maudie1 74F
8151 posts
1/18/2016 10:50 pm

Shocking pictures Lisa, so very sad. Some parts of the world is really in an awful state of unrest. I hope and pray it gets better before it gets any worse.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/18/2016 11:24 pm

Maisie dear friend, hi,

I am so pleased reading from you on this blog of mine. Your thoughts, your added info and your former Copt colleague had ascertained my above narration of the religious persecution in Egypt. Unless I had the true proof, I wouldn't have written and posted this blog, Maisie. It is foremost to give an insight to those unaware of the situation there.
I greatly thank you Maisie for your participation on this issue. Frankly speaking, I DO NOT BELIEVE OR EXPECT ANY PEACE in such cases, as most are being hidden and prohibited to reveal by the media but those who are surviving it, know best.
I thank you again Maisie. I wish you a pleasant day.
Kind regards,
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/18/2016 11:39 pm

LadyLuck my dear reader, hi,

How delighted I am for your keen interest on the issue of my above blog. I certainly thank you so much for all your visits and input as well.
As you have been personally in Egypt and were informed about such situations, there's nothing more I can add than to thank you dearly for your multiple presence and related comments on this blog of mine. Thank you very much again LadyLuck.
All what we can do being far away, is to keep those oppressive people in our thoughts and to remember them in our prayers.
My kind and warm regards to you LadyLuck. Have a nice day.
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/19/2016 12:00 am

MrsJoe, dear Lady, hi,

How really right you are in your above comments MrsJoe, I appreciate your input so much and I thank you so very much for your kind and hearty thoughts on that situation. I have revealed the true facts, the past and recent events in my above blog. Specially that the peaceful Christian community in Egypt had never declared any war against the muslims and had never destroyed any of their mosques in there also BUT YET they have been persecuted and surviving such atrocities. The above photos speak truly for themselves and haven't been propagandized by any authority.
Thank you so much again MrsJoe. I wish you and all of yours a very peaceful and pleasant day.
Lisa.



Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/19/2016 12:18 am

Maudie my dear friend, hello,

Your presence and hearty comments on my above blog, is an appreciated addition to the real case of those people of the Christian community in Egypt. I have blogged on it, being fully aware of the facts there and I wanted others to know as well. It is certainly very sad when such people in Egypt, have to be submissive due to their different faith. We should all hope and pray for the betterness but ....would it really be!!.
Thank you again dear Maudie and enjoy a warm day.
Kind regards,
Lisa.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
1/20/2016 6:20 am

Liszt, hi,

Hope you are doing fine as well as your family. Am pleased reading from your on my above blog and thank you so much for your interests, your visit and you comments as we. Concerning your Egyptian chat friend you have mentioned above, I believe he might have faced problems there, that's why he couldn't communicate with you any more. During that Muslim uprising, the country was in a big turmoil. Everyone was tapped whether on phone and on the net by secret police. So, either he had undergone such problem or he may be no more also. Being a lawyer, he knew what he would face in such cases. If he was against those wrong doings, who knows what has happened to him!!??. This is also another type of tyranny!!.
I would like to hope he contacts you again but I truly doubt it.
However, let's see how the future would be under the rule of President El Sisi, though he appears to be a fair man as shown on the 7th and 8th pictures above. He is really trying. May God help him in his mission, to bring peace between the religions there. This is really the main problem there.
I thank you again Liszt and wish you and all your family, a pleasant day. Kind regards.
Lisa.