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Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:07 am

Jimmy hi again,

Thank you so much for considering my own point of view in every case of this subject. I do consider yours as well. And am so pleased there is no friction, but all through, there has been respect and consideration between one another.
thank you again. The debate has gone and is going very peacefully, I applaud each and every readers behavior on my blog, Very many thanks again.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:15 am

Fossil lol,

Thanks again for your post. Each may have his/her own opinion which I respect as well. Thank lol fossil, have a pleasant weekend with your family.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:20 am

Fossil lol,

I believe Jimmy understands well that you aren't the father of those aborted babies but you have the right to express your own opinion for sure, just as everyone on here. And it isn't offending anyone too. Rest assured of it Fossil.
Enjoy your day and greetings to your wife.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:34 am

Hank hi and welcome back on my blog,

I am pleased reading from you again on my blog, You are always welcome, I have no grudge against you and am not a rancor as well. We might have had a certain difference on a subject before but it won't and shouldn't last a life time. We are here for a short time in this life.
I am so happy for your visit and your nice comments on this blog of mine. I have also watched a part of that abortion video but I could NOT continue viewing it, it bothered my mind so much and was like a nightmare for me. You are quite right in your above statement Hank. I do appreciate it very much also. But as we should know that others have his own opinion on this matter and we just have to respect them. But nothing would change my own opinion on abortion. Thank you again Hank. I wish everything to be normal now between us and no animosity at all. Enjoy your weekend Hank.
Hope reading from you again in the future. Kind regards.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 1:39 am

Hank hi again,

Hank thanks for your second post above, but I didn't understand what you mean by " quisk delete I see". I haven't deleted any of your above posts/comments. Plz, kindly clarify it. Thanks.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:03 am

Jimmy lol,

I understand you above point of view. We all have our own personal opinion. I respect your as you you do mine too. the whole issue is, one's trying to convince the other according to his own thought or opinion. We may agree on certain maybe not on all. Here continues the game. . We aren't upset of angry with anyone really. This is the beauty of it, lol.
I wish you the most wonderful weekend Jimmy. and thanks once more.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:14 am

Leaf hi and welcome to my blog,

Your presence and your wonderful comments have surely pleased me so much, for which I thank you greatly. You seem to have a soft heart just as I do in such cases Leaf. And for sure anyone like us cannot support this fact of abortion, though in special cases, it has to be done on Dr. advice as we know but it's really hard to accept it. Thank you again Leaf, I appreciate your opinion so much. Hope reading from you again in the future. Have a nice weekend.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:31 am

Dan hi and good day to you,

Thank you so much for your kind visit and your wonderful comments on this blog of mine. I appreciate your opinion on this matter. And as you see, anyone's opinion whether Pro or Against it, is welcome and respected too. We just express ours and there hasn't been any friction or misbehavior also. This is so beautiful to too. Thanks again Dan. i wish you and your family a lovely weekend. Kind regards,
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 2:39 am

Karin hi again dear,

I am so happy reading that your country has the same system of mine here. We do have counselling, health care, Family planning, and Social security too. My country is a Welfare country Karin. Thanks Karin for your input.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:12 am

Karin dear,

To my own opinion and as I thought it and mentioned it several times, if the Drs certify and confirm the ill health of any fetus in the womb of his mother and if it is a risk for the bay and the mother, the Dr is the right one to advice on the decision which must be taken. I guess but am not sure if in the US there are special home for the handicap people as we have in my country, it is free of charge for these affected people too. So, no one is obliged to keep such relatives at home and care for them. The Government here does it. There are Drs, nurses and other attendants there for them.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:16 am

Fossil lol,

I have read your response to MySeek, I cannot really interfer in it, so it is left for MySeek to reply on that. But I hope no one takes it as an offence anyhow. Thanks Fossil
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:21 am

Gavin lo, hi and welcome to my blog,

How glad I am reading from you on this blog of mine. I do appreciate your visit and your wonderful comments for which I thank you greatly. Thank you also for your point of view on this matter. You are so right too on what you have stated above. Have a happy weekend Gavin, God bless you.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:32 am

Moondoggie, hi and welcome to my blog.

Am greatly happy reading from you for the first time on my blog, specially for your interest in the topic. I understand your feeling Moondoggie, so many of us have the same but even if others have other opinion, we are all glad to debate on it peacefully and we respect others opinion too. What you have stated above you are right too, well if there's any who oppose your sayings, we shouldn't worry or get upset as opinion differs from one another Moondoggie. However I am so glad for your presence on here and for your appreciation of my blog. Hope reading from you again, meanwhile I wish you and all of yours, a very happy weekend. Thanks again.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:36 am

Jimmy re-hi again,

It gives me much interest reading each and all your comments posted above. Thank you and surely I understand your points on this subject and I do respect your opinion too. It's a pleasure reading you here, thank you.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:38 am

Karin,

Thanks for your correction as above dear. You have made yourself clear and understandable. I appreciate it.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:43 am

Skariff hi again,

Referring to your just above post, I just leave it for Fossil to respond to it. As I am unaware of the system in your country. Thanks again Skariff.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 5:59 am

Fossil lol,

I can't remain passive on any post left on here and as above. I read and understand your response to Skariff. I know you have your own point of view stated up there and Skariff as well has his. So, I let you both free to reply to each other but it's interesting to read both your opinions. thank Fossil. I will reiterate my best wishes to you and Skariff and to both your families.
Happy weekend to all of you and thanks so much for your participation on the topic of my above blog. My kind regards to all of you.
Lisa,


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 6:08 am

Kurtis lol, hi again,

I never expected while drafting and posting my above blog that it would have this lot of comments, be it personal or general. I am stunned by all the readers posts but most of all I am delighted that all went fairly peaceful and in respect too. There were no aggressive or weird wordings from one another on my above blog. Each one has expressed free his opinion on the topic and am also happy that my present blog has united most of us on here, in peace, in freedom and in respect as well. Thank you again Kurtis, I hope another time and another topic of mine would again join all of us once more in this good atmosphere.
I wish you and all of yours, a wonderful weekend. God bless all of us.
Lisa,


hermitinthecity 70M
1697 posts
12/3/2016 6:40 am

I'm totally against it. It's murder.

Judgment Day will be interesting - and all paths lead there.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 7:05 am

Hermit hello and welcome back,

Am so pleased for your coming back Hermit. I hope everything is ok at your side as you weren't shown on blog land for quite sometime. But happy you came back. Thank you for your visit and your nice comments on my above blog. As I have mentioned in many of responses on here, I am against abortion too but I respect others opinion on it, be it pro or against, all opinion is free on here. I hope reading again from you Hermit. I wish you and all of yours, a very happy weekend. My kind regards,
Lisa,


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/3/2016 11:57 am

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Jimmy hi once more,

    I think that the father should have his say of course, if both agree for to have it done, it's their own choice but not considered their own right only. What about if the mother is for it and the father is against? Thanks for your input Jimmy.
    Lisa,

I understand that....

I agree to that.

but let me ask you.

What if the mother is against it, and the father is for an abortion.
Does it carry the same weight?


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/3/2016 12:59 pm

Jimmy hi again,

Nice reading from you again Jimmy, thanks for the comments and the Q as well. I believe if the father accepts an abortion and the mother doesn't, of course the fetus or the baby is in the womb of the mother and it is her from whom the abortion will be done and not on the father!! So, unless the father obliges the mother to do it, then she will be obliged if she accepts it. If she doesn't accept to abort, she may go and report him to the authority concerned.. It does have an influence on the mother from the father's side. It will all depend on her for sure. I hope am enough clear on this now. How the Dr would do the abortion on the father!!??
Thanks again Jimmy and I would like your own reply on it too.
As it is late for me here, after even my midnight now, then tomorrow I'll read then your reply. Have a good day.
Lisa,


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
12/3/2016 5:28 pm

    Quoting Beth1949:
    Jimmy hi again,

    Nice reading from you again Jimmy, thanks for the comments and the Q as well. I believe if the father accepts an abortion and the mother doesn't, of course the fetus or the baby is in the womb of the mother and it is her from whom the abortion will be done and not on the father!! So, unless the father obliges the mother to do it, then she will be obliged if she accepts it. If she doesn't accept to abort, she may go and report him to the authority concerned.. It does have an influence on the mother from the father's side. It will all depend on her for sure. I hope am enough clear on this now. How the Dr would do the abortion on the father!!??
    Thanks again Jimmy and I would like your own reply on it too.
    As it is late for me here, after even my midnight now, then tomorrow I'll read then your reply. Have a good day.
    Lisa,

We are in agreement. I believe this answer is correct.

except I would say the father against abortion and the mother for abortion,
carries the exact same weight.

I'd also say this. There is not a decision that is worse than a disagreement between the father and the mother.. They must agree on any decision, to make it a correct decision. In may be in the mother's court, but if she makes the decision without consideration for the fathers position, she going to bite off more than she can chew. Unless she doesn't know the father, or doesn't care who the father is. But if she does, she can kiss goodbye any chance for that relationship to continue.


Artmany 107F

12/3/2016 9:21 pm

Don't know if you folks realize it, but legally, there are differentiations; and the term "baby" used here is incorrect. And it's an argument that's then consistent with Skariff. Overall, it's easy to generalize. And things are not so black and white; question of culture, religion, law, psychologcal, medical. The matter to consider are all these aspects, preferably together if we are well educated about all of them. Guilt and morals have not helped, obviously. This topic is extremely painful on any side we are; and if one accepts murders in other contexts, then we have a bigger issue that needs to be discussed.

Another issue I have with how this is addressed, from one side, mostly, is when I think in Africa, or elsewhere, how much forced pregnancies are part of a culture, such as child brides. It's just something where this issue takes another dimension, which is simple: we are all responsible, I mean Society, of creating such stuff. One thing relates to another. Consequently, all is so complex, depending from which point of view we are, that we neeed to develop the ability to make distinctions.


Beth1949 75F
2715 posts
12/4/2016 12:00 am

Jimmy good day to you,

I hope you're having a pleasant Sunday. Thanks a lot for coming again back on this blog of mine, nice reading from you, exchanging our views, which at times are in agreement or disagreement. Neither of it would create any enmity between all of us So, we have made a point here above, which is very good. We eventually cannot be in total agreement on point or another, as each has his opinion and his point of view partly or totally on the subject. Sometimes, we learn from different opinions even if we disagree. But we remain zen, respectful. peaceful and friendly. This is my main point of view.

A topic may be discussed, argued, debated, agreed upon, disagreed on, or in agreement, but once all these are done in respect and in a friendly attitude, it becomes a very pleasant issue to read and respond to each and to all the commenters in a joyful atmosphere too. I wish and hope it to be so, on any other blog as well. I am wonderfully delighted that it has eventually been demonstrated here on my present blog. I heartily thank and congratulate all my readers and commenters here above. Thank you again Jimmy and thanks to each and all of them. God bless.
With my kind regards,
Lisa,