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MrsJoe 76F
17310 posts
9/16/2017 8:47 pm

I have very mixed thoughts about this issue. First, I hate the way the whole situation is so politicized. The liberals want us to believe these are ALL upstanding citizens, with wonderful records of school and work....... Do I believe that? Oh, hell no! Many of them are...... and many of them are thugs and criminals.
I've heard it said that the children should not be punished for the crimes of their parents........... ok, so why do the people who say this want to punish others for the crimes of people 150 years ago? When what was done back then was not a crime, but a way of life!
I also wonder about the millions of children in our country who live in poverty and are hungry...... why are we more concerned about 800,000 ILLEGALS than we are about our own?
Why are our own legal citizens labeled all kinds of nasty things if we don't agree with liberal ideals, but these ILLEGAL persons are given the innocent name of "dreamers"?
On the other hand........ I do not see how they can be rounded up and deported.... heck, we obviously couldn't catch their parents, could we? And I don't like the idea of families being torn apart..... these "dreamers" have siblings who are now citizens because they were born here.
So there has to be some kind of compromise and it needs to be done legally, through legislature, not like Obama did it. Perhaps Trump believes he can work towards a solution that will also include strong border security to stop the influx of illegals in the first place.
I believe any legislation should contain provisions for these "dreamers" and their families, not citizenship but some kind of legal status, and strong border security with a "wall" where appropriate, and also we need a provision that says just because you are born here, if the parents are not legal, neither is the baby.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
9/16/2017 9:43 pm

Sadly, the decisions that parents make do have adverse consequences for the children. If these kids are law abiding, perhaps there should be a smoother path to citizenship. On the other hand, educated law abiding young people could be a plus for Mexico. I am sure that all of Mexico is not a pesthole of corruption and poverty. Life frequently has unexpected twist and turns which is not always bad. Sometimes what appears to be bad turns out to be a blessing.

Abracadabra


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
9/17/2017 5:21 am

Again with the irony... Changing the constitution and it meaning. As Skariff says, they would like to change the Fourteenth amendment.

Yet, the right supports the second Amendment, AS it is seen for their protection. Narrowminded, prejudice, fools they are...... Who change diapers faster than can crap..

If things continue to go to crap... They will want to change that too.

Because the truth of the Second amendment is it's not for THEIR protection
It's for OUR protection, against them.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
9/17/2017 5:39 am

Stronghold or stranglehold?

It always comes back to the same thing...Doing right for the wrong reason or doing wrong for the right reason.

mrsjoe is caught in between, as she understands it's been too politicized. About 80% of the immigrants are going to dreamer, in search of the dream. they are going to be Liberal. But we can't have that! So it's is the politics of it that makes it such hard decision for her. Either that or she's just tossing her salad.

The illusion is the stronghold we think of as America. Our castle is not enough. we need a moat, to keep our enemies out., and a stranglehold to keep ourselves in.

We need another wall, to keep differing opinions out and too control the opinions inside.

Its a duty of American to protect America, but the reality is, America doesn't need YOUR protection...As you believe America needs that protection from YOU.. I beleive it too. America does need protection from YOU.
Your protection of the stronghold, strangleholds America.

The Liberal enemy.. How far are you willing to go, to destroy the Liberal enemy?
Immigration, birthright, Russian interference, voter suppression, propaganda, controlled News Media, destroying Dreams and Dreamers, choice, changing our institutions, changing learning, from grade school to college and universities.
When is it? you can gain enough control, to change ideas, to eliminate ideas, to make everybody conform to YOUR America and live in YOUR stronghold.

Your stranglehold of America...Will destroy America. As you look at North Korea and Russia...see their nationalism You understand they do the right thing for the wrong reasons. Yet America is immune to that, for we can only do the same right thing for the RIGHT reasons.....You are just prejudice, narrowminded, fools. Who believe having control is taking control.. When America believes having control is giving control.


dusty117 73M

9/17/2017 12:29 pm

    Quoting  :

There might be a couple more crisis points for the deplorables ...

l will build a great, on our southern border and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words".

"Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of the entry of Muslims to the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on".

To Clinton: You'd be in jail" ... "If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. There has never been so many lies, so much deception, there has never been anything like it, and we’re gonna have a special prosecutor.”

“I will be the greatest jobs president that God has ever created"

Lisz, the party's over; the hangover is gone ... your left with a pathetic liar begging for some corporate welfare. Who could have seen that coming?


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
9/17/2017 1:31 pm

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Sorry Charlie... I ain't leaving... but I'm buying a gun!


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
9/17/2017 2:03 pm

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What can i say.. I totally agree... You, Trump, Neo nazis, KKK, White supremacists,
and White nationalists, heritage protectors, wealthy elitist... every single one of you purpose a tyrannical government.....If you think you're going to get way with that, be prepared to bury the bodies.
Yes ....what can I say.... that's what the second amendment, was written for..
Not so you can kill someone who breaks into your house, or who you disagree with, Not so you can take over, It's to prevent you from taking over.

It seems you miss the big picture... I don't want to take over, I'll let you think what you want...even if it is stupid. I'll let people belong to the Klu , Klux, Klan.... I'll let people vote. I won't take away rights...Nobody is doing anything to you, except allowing you to create excuses, to do it to them. A justification that is NO justification at all.
I'll just Just buy a gun, and a shovel, and we can have another Civil War.
I suggest you read the History books. and understand the failures. Because you have a snow balls chance in hell, of not repeating them.


dusty117 73M

9/17/2017 6:16 pm

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Sure got it, you're fine with lying because others lie. Interesting view of the world but not mine ...but seriously, what other defense do you have?

What is interesting to me is "Jobs President". Maybe you would like to comment on why Trump would as you say need "the GOP establishment to help him out" in order to manufacture the Trump Brand here in the USA, considering Trump has already engaged in public shaming of SOME outsourcers ... not himself though. Also considering leaders lead by example.

Ok so guess what? We're back to where we started 'begging for corporate welfare'.


kneedtwoplease 68M
1189 posts
9/18/2017 10:50 am

"And BTW- the companies you listed haven't paid taxes for a long time- Why didn't you call Obama out for GE, when he put the CEO on his jobs council?
Why no outrage for the past 8 years over their not payin", THAT and the national debt because of careless spending

No matter what the pompous ass and leafduster say, its all 'group think narrative'. They got nuthin but deny and besmirch