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Lisztomania 68M
13752 posts
10/17/2018 10:30 am
YES, I'M A NEGRO, AND I'M TIRED OF THE 'MAN' HOLDING ME DOWN!


And the 'WOMAN' is even worse! Notice how the female magpies on the site keep sassing !

So here's the story: For her last birthday, I got Maisie a DNA kit from ancestry.com, and got myself one as well. We both spat into the little vials and sent them back. Turns out my DNA is not very exotic at all...for the most part. A whopping 81% of my ancestry is from England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. 8% is from what they call "Germanic Europe," which makes sense as my surname is Germanic. [The figure is lower than I would have expected.] A surprising (to me) 7% of my blood is Norwegian. (Hi, Lulu.)

But then came the eye-opener, the colored person in the woodpile, shall we say. 1% of my DNA comes from "Cameroon, Congo, and Southern Bantu Peoples." This changes everything. Perhaps some of you have heard of the "one-drop rule," codified into law in some southern states, including Tennessee and Virginia (my home state.) If you had one drop of Negro blood, you were considered to be a Negro.

There is a splendid scene from Jerome Kern's Showboat based on this custom/law. Steve Baker, the matinee idol on the showboat, is living with Julie, a beautiful woman who is revealed to be a mulatto. A Mississippi sheriff is tipped off, and stomps on board to arrest them for miscegenation. But the resourceful Steve Baker has just pricked Julie's hand with his pocket knife and swallowed a bit of her blood. Steve is able to melodramatically declaim "everyone on this boat can tell you I' ve got more than one drop of Negro blood in me!" So the couple is spared arrest, though they are dismissed from the company.

But I am afraid this revelation about my ancestry came a bit too late for me. I could have had my pick of colleges, jobs in academia, etc., just like "Pocahontas" Warren!

Life is unfair.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/17/2018 10:35 am

You will have sensed that my complaint is little tongue-in-cheek. The ancestry.com report is real and accurately reported.


kneedtwoplease 63M
911 posts
10/17/2018 11:29 am

does this give you license to use the 'n' word?


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/17/2018 11:37 am

    Quoting kneedtwoplease:
    does this give you license to use the 'n' word?
I believe it does! Just like a rapper.


Maisie2013 67F
18666 posts
10/17/2018 11:46 am

I looked up the history of Bantu. It seems to be very inclusive , of a lot of tribes, is a region and a language.
But I did find what might be a theory as to how Bantu people got to the Americas. The Muslims showed up and took over. The Omani Arabs practiced slavery, which was one of their major economic enterprises.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
2987 posts
10/17/2018 1:03 pm

LISZ,

my spittle was not as exotic as yours. I am English , Norwegian , scot, wales.

oh yes IRISH.

what is curious, my great,great grand mother on my moms side was full blooded SEMINOLE that does not show at all.

my fathers lineage is directly to IRELAND. his dad , my gradfather was born in Ireland in 1848.

I am not sure these tests are 100% correct.

if my mothers great grandmother was full blooded native american . one has to wonder how that didnt appear.

my dads mom was from london elgland

my moms dad, my gradfathers folks were from england. i have seeen lines back in to the 14th centurty.

maybe bond an i as well as katie are cousins .

they would ruin their spotted dick and sheeps wool

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


starwomyn 65F
5903 posts
10/17/2018 1:13 pm

I created trees for my biological and step sons. I found a solid paper trail for my younger son leading to a 1820 census of a man listed as Mulatto living in a household of free blacks. There is an earlier census of a Frenchman living with a female slave and a young boy. I suspect this my son's sixth granddaddy, his baby mama and child. He eventually adds a white wife to the household. The earlier DNA test did not reveal African DNA but updated one did. Bantu also showed up in the testing of several of his cousins. My son does have dark features as do most of the folks from his paternal grandmother's line. My son thought it was cool but warned me whatever you do, DON'T tell Grandma and DON'T tell Dad. I immediately got on the phone and advised my ex-hubby of the happy news. They attribute the dark features to the French several time great-grandfather but never talk about his son Abraham and the baby mama.

condemnant quod non intellegunt


mytime2014 67F
1 post
10/17/2018 3:03 pm

If we were able to really go back and check our family tree we would find out we are not all pure black and white. I think it's a beautiful thing.


Seattlechick8 62F
514 posts
10/17/2018 3:22 pm

These Tests Are Such A Crock
Surprised So Many “ Buy “ Into It
Heck You Have To Waste Your Money Someplace
Spit Away lol


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/17/2018 4:21 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    LISZ,

    my spittle was not as exotic as yours. I am English , Norwegian , scot, wales.

    oh yes IRISH.

    what is curious, my great,great grand mother on my moms side was full blooded SEMINOLE that does not show at all.

    my fathers lineage is directly to IRELAND. his dad , my gradfather was born in Ireland in 1848.

    I am not sure these tests are 100% correct.

    if my mothers great grandmother was full blooded native american . one has to wonder how that didnt appear.

    my dads mom was from london elgland

    my moms dad, my gradfathers folks were from england. i have seeen lines back in to the 14th centurty.

    maybe bond an i as well as katie are cousins .

    they would ruin their spotted dick and sheeps wool
I hear they are both extremely fond of spotted dick, lol.

Seems like our ancestry is very similar save for my Congolese ancestor. Guess the jig is up for me, lol.

According to what I have read, these DNA services have INSUFFICIENT samples of Native Americans, and are relying on South American (!) DNA. How much reliance can we place on this?


starwomyn 65F
5903 posts
10/17/2018 6:13 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    LISZ,

    my spittle was not as exotic as yours. I am English , Norwegian , scot, wales.

    oh yes IRISH.

    what is curious, my great,great grand mother on my moms side was full blooded SEMINOLE that does not show at all.

    my fathers lineage is directly to IRELAND. his dad , my gradfather was born in Ireland in 1848.

    I am not sure these tests are 100% correct.

    if my mothers great grandmother was full blooded native american . one has to wonder how that didnt appear.

    my dads mom was from london elgland

    my moms dad, my gradfathers folks were from england. i have seeen lines back in to the 14th centurty.

    maybe bond an i as well as katie are cousins .

    they would ruin their spotted dick and sheeps wool
The way DNA Works is that you get 50 percent from each parent and they get 50 percent from their parents. What you get from Grandparents and Great Grandparents, ad Infintum is not equal. If you have a second great grandparent who is half Indian, You might inherit all of the European DNA from that grandparent and none of the NA. This is why siblings can have different DNA. One might end up with dark curly hair while the other has straight red hair. It depends on whose DNA they acquired.

condemnant quod non intellegunt


sparkleflit 71F
3468 posts
10/17/2018 6:53 pm

It seems odd that Ancestry would specify Norwegian in your results, as they usually use "Scandinavian" as the DNA is indistinguishable........even the intra-continental populations are difficult to distinguish and are often guessed at......

If you want to widen the scope of the information from your test, you can download your raw data file to GedMatch and utilize their various ethnicity, triangulation and chromosome by chromosome comparison uyilities.


RubiSleepinBuuty 63F
1197 posts
10/17/2018 6:56 pm

Sorry, Liszt, you can't pass for a Negro any more than I could pass for a man. Brew up some strong tea and apply it, you might pass for Indian..


sewg1941 77F
487 posts
10/17/2018 7:33 pm

I have also had my DNA done through Ancestry with very surprising results... 70% Western European and only 17% British and my son Joel has a tad of Africa in his... had to be from his daddy's side Now I have to narrow it all down to where and who!


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/17/2018 7:59 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    It seems odd that Ancestry would specify Norwegian in your results, as they usually use "Scandinavian" as the DNA is indistinguishable........even the intra-continental populations are difficult to distinguish and are often guessed at......

    If you want to widen the scope of the information from your test, you can download your raw data file to GedMatch and utilize their various ethnicity, triangulation and chromosome by chromosome comparison uyilities.
And yet they did. I am 3% Swedish too. But I just feel more....Norwegian! LOL


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/17/2018 8:03 pm

    Quoting Seattlechick8:
    These Tests Are Such A Crock
    Surprised So Many “ Buy “ Into It
    Heck You Have To Waste Your Money Someplace
    Spit Away lol
I am convinced they are not a hoax. Why? Ancestry.com identified 3 people on their rolls who were my 1st or 2nd cousins. All were correct. None shared a last name with me.


starwomyn 65F
5903 posts
10/17/2018 9:11 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I am convinced they are not a hoax. Why? Ancestry.com identified 3 people on their rolls who were my 1st or 2nd cousins. All were correct. None shared a last name with me.
Determining ethnicity is not an exact science. The more information they get the more accurate the results. I have connected with several cousins from different branches with the paper trial to verify. Norway makes sense for those of us with British ancestry consider the Nordic invasion which infiltrated the Brits with their DNA,

condemnant quod non intellegunt


sparkleflit 71F
3468 posts
10/17/2018 9:55 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    And yet they did. I am 3% Swedish too. But I just feel more....Norwegian! LOL
When someone has such a high % of DNA from Great Britain with under 13% Scandinavian, it is usually attributed to a Viking raid......I have never seen individual Scandinavian countries specified in any articles or writings about DNA.


sparkleflit 71F
3468 posts
10/17/2018 10:54 pm

    Quoting hiramhankwilliam:
    LISZ,

    my spittle was not as exotic as yours. I am English , Norwegian , scot, wales.

    oh yes IRISH.

    what is curious, my great,great grand mother on my moms side was full blooded SEMINOLE that does not show at all.

    my fathers lineage is directly to IRELAND. his dad , my gradfather was born in Ireland in 1848.

    I am not sure these tests are 100% correct.

    if my mothers great grandmother was full blooded native american . one has to wonder how that didnt appear.

    my dads mom was from london elgland

    my moms dad, my gradfathers folks were from england. i have seeen lines back in to the 14th centurty.

    maybe bond an i as well as katie are cousins .

    they would ruin their spotted dick and sheeps wool
I suggest you go and read about DNA testing and how it works. The results are predictions based on people who have have already been tested. As more people get tested, they learn more and the predictions become more accurate. There are many populations that have a very low sample population , so it doesn't show up in results. I have Saami ancestry, which only shows up if the person being tested gives that information. The DNA of Saami people can be interpreted as Native American or Circumpolar by some companies. The DNA tests that we have now, don't have a large enough population sample to show up most North American Native peoples, let alone individual tribes. We really have two family trees, one defined by our genetics and one defined by our family history. If you're really interested, there are several genealogy sites that have available software to help you build your family tree and your DNA tree and correlate them........


Seattlechick8 62F
514 posts
10/18/2018 5:11 pm

Interesting Liszt


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/18/2018 7:01 pm

    Quoting RubiSleepinBuuty:
    Sorry, Liszt, you can't pass for a Negro any more than I could pass for a man. Brew up some strong tea and apply it, you might pass for Indian..
Thank you for vouching for me! You are one of a handful here who have actually met me.


RubiSleepinBuuty 63F
1197 posts
10/18/2018 9:00 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    Thank you for vouching for me! You are one of a handful here who have actually met me.
I guess us Noogans need to stick together. I'll swear your not an axe murderer. I hope your doing well.


bijou649 69F
70 posts
10/19/2018 7:05 am

Hi there Liszt: I think DNA was among the top 10 discoveries of the 20th century. I read somewhere that all people originate from one African woman, that people with blue eyes all have one common ancestor. I haven't taken the DNA test myself but I have no idea who I am or where I came from. I'm blonde, green eyes, very pale skin, and don't look or act like anyone in my family, and even though there are no pics of my mother being pregnant with me, they say I am not adopted. I have always wondered if maybe there was a mistake at the hospital and they gave my parents the wrong baby, then in my 20s I discovered I don't even have the same blood type of either of my parents. I don't know if the test would help at my age though as all my family is deceased now.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/19/2018 8:57 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    When someone has such a high % of DNA from Great Britain with under 13% Scandinavian, it is usually attributed to a Viking raid......I have never seen individual Scandinavian countries specified in any articles or writings about DNA.
Ancestry.com originally reported this part of my DNA as "Scandinavian" but in an updated report, they made the discrimination between Swedish and Norwegian. Guess they have found some kind of marker. But as Star said, it's not an exact science.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/19/2018 9:45 am

    Quoting starwomyn:
    I created trees for my biological and step sons. I found a solid paper trail for my younger son leading to a 1820 census of a man listed as Mulatto living in a household of free blacks. There is an earlier census of a Frenchman living with a female slave and a young boy. I suspect this my son's sixth granddaddy, his baby mama and child. He eventually adds a white wife to the household. The earlier DNA test did not reveal African DNA but updated one did. Bantu also showed up in the testing of several of his cousins. My son does have dark features as do most of the folks from his paternal grandmother's line. My son thought it was cool but warned me whatever you do, DON'T tell Grandma and DON'T tell Dad. I immediately got on the phone and advised my ex-hubby of the happy news. They attribute the dark features to the French several time great-grandfather but never talk about his son Abraham and the baby mama.
I have a slightly eccentric uncle who enjoys exploring the family tree (his other hobby is making astrological charts) and he has furnished me with a great deal of his research into my mother's side of the family, the McClungs. These are the people with ties to Greenbrier County (more precisely the hamlet of Rupert) whom I mentioned to you before.

I've been collecting data for years and stowing it in my family Bible. The census data which ancestry.com has been releasing at intervals has been very helpful. Most of my ancestors ..,., but not all...,. were respectable folk. Most of my family engaged in a form of omertà in regard to disreputable kinfolk. I liked the notoriety.

When I was in college, a mugshot of my first cousin on my father's side appeared in the local post office. He and I must be genetically quite close, as our fathers were identical twins. My old-school mother was severely embarrassed, but I ran with the notoriety. Much later I discovered he had been a very minor courier for the mob. He did a little time and then rehabilitated himself … became a professor of economics at a college near Memphis. Only in America do we get a 2nd chance! Is this a great country or what?

I don't think genetics = destiny at all, but I find it a harmless hobby, and I enjoy seeing how I alternately conform to and defy stereotypes.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/19/2018 9:53 am

    Quoting sewg1941:
    I have also had my DNA done through Ancestry with very surprising results... 70% Western European and only 17% British and my son Joel has a tad of Africa in his... had to be from his daddy's side Now I have to narrow it all down to where and who!
Fascinating, isn't it? I turned our to be more heavily British and Irish then I thought, and less German.


Lisztomania 68M
10198 posts
10/19/2018 9:59 am

    Quoting RubiSleepinBuuty:
    I guess us Noogans need to stick together. I'll swear your not an axe murderer. I hope your doing well.
I gave up the axe-murdering when I started to lose upper-body strength, lol.

I am doing OK for the most part. We won live trivia at Mexiville on Market last night -- $40. We are just a 2-person team -- should you wish to join our team, just let me know. Hope you're well.


RubiSleepinBuuty 63F
1197 posts
10/19/2018 2:12 pm

    Quoting Lisztomania:
    I gave up the axe-murdering when I started to lose upper-body strength, lol.

    I am doing OK for the most part. We won live trivia at Mexiville on Market last night -- $40. We are just a 2-person team -- should you wish to join our team, just let me know. Hope you're well.
Well, congrats and thanks for the kind offer. However, I rarely get out at night and downtown Chattanooga is new to me even in the daylight.