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Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
1/12/2019 7:07 pm

I keep wondering if Comey was involved in getting all of those FBI files to Hilly back in Bill's cigar days.

Would explain a lot.


MrsJoe 76F
17280 posts
1/12/2019 8:18 pm

"This is not the America I grew up in. "
But perhaps it is, more than we ever realized. One name comes to mind: J. Edgar Hoover.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


Unsafe_Sax_54 69M
1590 posts
1/12/2019 8:28 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    "This is not the America I grew up in. "
    But perhaps it is, more than we ever realized. One name comes to mind: J. Edgar Hoover.
I was thinking LBJ offing JFK.


starwomyn 70F
8871 posts
1/12/2019 9:17 pm

They are busy endlessly investigating each other instead of doing their jobs. Maybe Bill Clinton can give them all of Hillary's cigars. They might learn something.

Abracadabra


dusty117 73M

1/12/2019 9:48 pm

I heard the story yesterday. Like everything Trump and fish .. the longer it's around the more it stinks.

I believed Comey's story at time he was fired .... Trump begged him for loyalty regarding Michael Flynn and Comey said no. That's why Trump fired him. Coincidence? A short time later Michael Flynn is a convicted felon. Convicted of lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian Ambassador.

Funny thing … I remember what Sarah Sanders and Trump head-bobbers said at the time. "The FBI Director works "at the pleasure of the President" … he's fired and no explanation is needed .


TxJW4 81M

1/12/2019 11:07 pm

The sad thing is our government is corrupt to the core and it did not begin recently.


MrsJoe 76F
17280 posts
1/13/2019 12:08 am

    Quoting TxJW4:
    The sad thing is our government is corrupt to the core and it did not begin recently.
I totally agree....... did we not see it in the beginning because they were better at covering it up, we didn't have so much cable news 24/7, or we were busy with life and now we spend more time on politics?
BTW, why the new profile?


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17280 posts
1/13/2019 9:05 am

    Quoting  :

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"......... we need term limits. Perhaps that would help drain the swamp faster than one lone man who only has 8 years to do it.

Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/13/2019 9:05 am

So we have it.. the conspiracy theorist..

I don't know what specifically the counter intelligence investigation knows..

I know what it doesn't mean....As to open one REQUIRES EVIDENCE.. To maintain one REQUIRES evidence

The idea that the evidence that's effects Trump Administration People.. That's is trying to infer of Trump's involvement.. That idea of that is the witch hunt.. To INFER..... and in that inference Trump says There was No COLLUSION..

This has changed it.......

It now goes the other way around..

THE EVIDENCE is Trump's Collusion... and the inference is to his people....that's what it takes to open a counter intelligence investigation.. All those people Mueller has indicted.. every single one them...Has got caught, not because of their collusion.. but because, of Trump and Russia.. They don't prove Trump's guilt.. Trump's guilt proves their guilt of collusion.. Those indicted, except for maybe Manafort, did the deed....but didn't have the intent.. Trump and Russia were moving the pawns.

This is NOT a conspiracy.....The evidence of Trump collusion and obstruction.. will no longer be indirect..We think that collusion and obstruction are separate.. Collusion with Russia to get elected. An obstruction to protect Trump's election and his people

But this changes..... When the obstruction becomes the collusion..Collusion to get elected NO LONGER MATTERS.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/13/2019 1:05 pm

    Quoting  :

The indictment of Trump's People.. is suppose to INFER Trump's involvement.
It certainly doesn't do that completely and leaves the door open. For Trump to say NO Collusion.

But the investigation is not based on that... Trump's collusion infers his Peoples involvement.. It's his people that can say, for themselves, there was NO Collusion ..
They weren't colluding with Russians.. Trump was..All except Manafort.. who actually was. At his point , and what Friday night tells us..about the investigation.... is that Trump and Manafort are the only two, we know at this point, that are going to be indicted for conspiring with Russians.


TxJW4 81M

1/13/2019 6:27 pm

I think there was a money laundering scheme being set up with Putin and his buddies ----the Trump family & friends etc.
Manafort was the original bag man and organizer. THEREFORE he will definitely be pardoned before Trump vacates the premises.
There were so many ties to Russia it was like a corporate umbrella in the making.
You can't break the mafia and you can't break ingrained political corruption.
Both have fall guys to appease the gullible public.
Then there is more of the same

Preceding this we had the Clinton Foundation pay for play scheme with a president wearing blinders.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/13/2019 6:44 pm

    Quoting  :

You and Hiram make quite a team too.....sort of like a sinister Bert and Ernie.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
1/13/2019 11:30 pm

Good try there, Bert and Ernie, but you really should try to find out what the word "team" means........


TxJW4 81M

1/14/2019 3:11 am

And it brings to mind Reagan --Ollie North & the Sandinista thing---when Reagan could not recall before the investigators. LOL
Was daddy bush secretary of defense back then?
I do remember they could not trace the money.

And then there was Halliburton threating to move headquarters offshore when congress was investigating no bid contracts. Baby Bush and Cheney??
Halliburton with huge campaign donations to get Cheney (its then CE involved??

Well I am going by faulty memory only----you can google and correct me LOL


TxJW4 81M

1/14/2019 3:29 am

Well if crimes Manafort was charged with predated Trumps running for office----WHY would Trump choose him as his campaign manager?????
Ties with Russia seems to have been a plus when seeking employment or appointments to office.
Now they have been thrown under the bus in a feeble attempt to save face.
But there is no honor among them.
They squeal like a pig when it comes down to (me or him) UNLESS pardons have been communicated. LOL
Manafort lied to investigators AFTER cutting his deal with them because he knows the pardon is coming down later.
They will sell their own mother.


TxJW4 81M

1/14/2019 3:41 am

The pardon deadline is getting shorter.
There is less than 24 months to do it unless Trump is re elected.
Mueller has them by the ying yang. LOL
They must be thinking>>>>>Was he lying about my pardon or should I squeal louder to save my backside.LOL
He does have a tendency to lie.LOLOL


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/14/2019 7:52 am

    Quoting  :

You keep getting it bassackwards...

Trump is not being tied to Manafort.. Manafort is being tied to Trump.

Of all these people investigated... Only Manafort is a Co-conspirator with the Russians.. Every other person investigated.. was investigated for being duped. That's why they roll, and Manafort doesn't....

Manafort is the only one, up to this point.. that doesn't prove Trump guilt of conspiracy with Russia..But only proves his own. Manafort's guilt doesn't prove Trump's guilt .. But Trump's guilt proves Manafort guilt..
Manafort. is only one .. that can't make a deal... because he goes down with Trump. He cant' be saved. Unless Trump comes out clean
There is no way a background check of Manafort wouldn't see his ties to Russia
So either Trumps is an idiot. or he accepted Manafort. in spite of what EVERYBODY knew.. Trump's arrogance about that was amazing..
But you know Trump's a "winner".. and Trump was going to make damn sure...He would not be a "loser"..... if he lost the election.. He needed a WIN/WIN situation
So.....if one considers his advantages and ties to Russia.. if he lost..
It only becomes a problem, covering up and covering his ass-ets.. If he WINS.
But, Trump's idea of what it is to be President.. made that idea of a "covering" a simple one to achieve..Little did he know.. that in OUR government... Nothing is simple..


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/14/2019 8:19 am

I talked about the counter intelligence investigation.. NOT being a Choice.. It wasn't even a choice in the Obama administration.. The significant evidence was being dismissed without further evidence

This makes that point CLEAR..
No other person, with any power, beside a Presidential candidate and President.. would NOT have been counter intelligence investigated by CHOICE... If Manafort was connected to them.. The intelligence agencies didn't look into Manafort, didn't pry and investigated Manafort to get this information.. It was clear as day.. from day one.
The connection was always there.. but not the CRIME....
When the intelligence agencies had NO CHOICE but to investigated the CRIME.. Then Manafort got investigated. They weren't investigating Manafort's crime.. because Manafort didn't commit a crime ...without the President.....they were investigating the President's CRIME.


jiminycricket1 73M
13732 posts
1/14/2019 1:42 pm

    Quoting  :

You just never see the in between.

There is a difference in defending.. and in supporting

If you want to make Russia the ENEMY.. Id' say your foolish to think that way.

If you want to Make Russia Our Friend... I 'd say your even more foolish to think that way.

Because I disagree with you... doesn't mean I agree with everyone else that disagrees with you.... The subject determines the disagreement not the whole idea.. disagreement is also not a support of the right solution.. it's a disagreement because you have the wrong answer.. it says nothing about what is the right.


dusty117 73M

1/14/2019 9:53 pm

    Quoting  :

Lisztomania, Fox News is really doing you a disservice. There's way more to the story than Trump simply saying “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.”

Sean Hannity number one in the Trump propaganda machine sells e-cigarettes on AM Radio.

BTW we got a couple million people incarcerated in the US and they're all crowing something like cheap shot … they told me I didn't need a lawyer … they busted in KGB style. That's the America I grew up in.

Legal counsel might have advised Flynn not to commit a felony. Oh darn ...


dusty117 73M

1/14/2019 11:37 pm

    Quoting  :

Nope, you have assumed wrong. It's not the e-smoke people buying ads on the Hannity show, Hannity PERSONALLY does the selling ... using the same sleazy voice and marketing skills he uses to sell Donald Trump. Selling rubbers would be a step up for Hannity.

If you have Comey's book, I suggest you read it .. get the story straight.


MrsJoe 76F
17280 posts
1/15/2019 3:50 pm

    Quoting  :

I don't have XM on the car radio, but I listen to the local stations that play the oldies.... or if not available, country. Talk radio is almost worse than talk TV.
During the day, I turn our Dish network TV to the sixties channel too after I catch up on the news and weather forecast.
I wonder why someone who leans to the left would even listen to an ultra right commentator?


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


TxJW4 81M

1/15/2019 5:36 pm

Like I said a pardon must be done before he vacates the premises.
So we must assume Manaforts ties to Russia were not found before he was hired?
Dealings with Russia must have been a plus in many resumes of those he hired.

And Trump asking Russia for help on national news networks was only a joke.
That one is like when a guy asks a lady to go to a motel & she slaps the hell out of him------Then he says I was only joking. LOLOL

And NOW we have a president who said he is PROUD to shut down the government. Was that a joke or just another lie like the taxes to be made public.
Either way he is not fit for office. He verifies it more every day.

Plus he was going to take credit for the government shutdown. He does not have sense enough to think before he speaks. He called reporters into a private meeting by surprise and they verified he said it LOL
Smooth move there deal maker. LOLOL


TxJW4 81M

1/16/2019 7:37 am

I can still think clearly and reasonably by what I see before me. LOL
I can often determine what is and is not---by combining someones actions.

So over 3000 American companies doing business in Russia makes everyone doing business with Russia legitimate. Even money laundering bagmen. OK I got it. LOL


TxJW4 81M

1/16/2019 7:44 am

Wearing a wire to catch a crook would be treason?
I thought that was common procedure like on tv shows.LOL


TxJW4 81M

1/16/2019 5:42 pm

You are right. I presume guilt due to associations.
When they run with dogs they get the fleas.
I can also analyze a tax statement-----he is still withholding them. LOL
We have a habitual liar as president of the U.S.
He will lie when the truth would sound better.

NEWS FLASH----honest people do not do that.

Two possibilities----incredibly stupid or incredibly dishonest.

Either way he is not fit to lead this nation.
He is hurting thousands of people with a political diversionary tactic to get the people thinking of their plight rather than the heat on his ass.


TxJW4 81M

1/17/2019 12:27 am

OK so you are not being hurt by Trump.
Usual repub thinking.------I have mine & to hell with everyone else.

The thousands of people being hurt is on almost every news source.
Does government shutdown ring your bell? LOL
Many are going without pay or forced to look for a new job and can not pay their rent.
But of course what affects them does not affect you so it is all good. LOL
AND DO NOT FORGET Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government. But it is OK with you it was only one of his exaggerations. LOL

OK you have me convinced.-----Democrats lie and Trump only exaggerates.
Thanks for this blog.