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2/10/2019 2:24 am |
Hello ... I normally would not respond to any blog that was religious in nature but you seem sincere in your quest for knowledge. I would not normally respond to a blog that was directed at one person, but then I have always walked where angels fear to tread and LuLu is a kindred spirit. Because I have struggled my whole life with religion I hoped you wouldn't mind if I respond to something written here. 'We are not birthed atheist' ... your words, and I have to add that 'we are not birthed christian' either. Any religion is passed to us from our parents and we grow in it... or not. Most of us at a certain age begin to question everything about life and living and through life experience we decide for ourselves what we believe and don't believe. We look around us and see leaders of 'faith' on TV hawking for money without care that they may be taking food away from a pensioner. We see and read about the lavish lifestyles that they enjoy by taking from the poor. They prey on the weak, the lonely and misfits of this world. We read and read some more and then we think with every brain cell we've been given and come to the only conclusion that we can come to given the information we've absorbed over a lifetime. I think all of us would like to believe that there is someone watching over us who is going to care for us in an afterlife... but ... I know that I for one am not expecting to be taken care of. Life is life... and the fact is that at some point we will die. I personally would like to believe in reincarnation and live many lives but I'm not counting on it. No we are not born atheist but we aren't born christian either ... we are just born and life is a crap shoot.
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2/10/2019 3:34 am |
'we are born in sin'. it is up tp each of us to decide how we deal with life. In my opinion there is nothing more innocent than a new born life... there is no sin attached... and that is where the christian faith loses me. I was so very lucky in that I was allowed to witness the birth of my third granddaughter ... it had a very profound effect on me. I had given birth twice but neither time was I captivated as I was witnessing my son's daughter being born. I'm not saying that you are wrong Hiram, what you believe is right for you but we are all different and have to find our own way. I do believe some of the stories in the bible but not all, and not as written. There were too many individuals, and too many revisions by ordinary men and women who were fallible, to ever consider the bible a work of non-fiction. I believe it to be a wonderful teaching tool - a guide to living life in a good and honourable manner, but not as factual history. I believe the bible is facts and fiction woven together. A 'good' book but not a history book as such!
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I was raised RC. I stopped believing that JC was my saviour around the time I learned to think critically. The data for the existence of such a person is slim. The Mormans have better evidence for their beliefs than main line Christians, and nobody with any sense thinks Joseph Smith got his hands on golden tablets.
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I define myself as more spiritual than religious. I don't even try to define God but I see evidence of divine intervention in my life all the time. It is through coincidences, being in the right place at the right time or watching how a scenario clicks into place. Abracadabra 
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Thank you for acknowledging that people can be spiritual and not believe in a God.........
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2/12/2019 1:52 am |
Yeah....I really, really dislike the word "Spiritual" but I'm at a loss as to how to communicate my thinking to people as naive and unexamined as Hank.... 
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2/13/2019 2:28 pm |
find that word even more problematic......Like the word "spiritual" it means so many different things to different people........It was the buzz-word of the seekers after Eastern Religion in the sixties and into the New Age spiritual movement, that saw people lining their nests with whatever shiny object drew their attention in the moment.........There were the many gurus and masters and Spiritual teachers that were put forward by celebrities......mish-mashes of magical thinking , quantum Physics, yoga and mind-expanding plants..............claiming enlightenment.........and then moving on to the next shiny spiritual object. An old acquaintance and her husband....Yoga teachers who call themselves "Healers"......calling themselves experts after taking weekend workshops.......it's all just theatre.......of the absurd......One time they told me they were now Enlightened......I asked them how they knew that........They told me they had been to a see a famous guru from India who was holding sessions in LA.................They had been in a huge hall with thousands of others and just being in the "presence" of this woman ......contained within the same 4 walls as the guru, had enlightened them.........and enlightenment had also brought them the ability to tell if others were enlightened......they said that they just walked out of that building and out on the streets of LA and could tell who was enlightened and who wasn't..........They continue to think they are enlightened, but are unable to describe enlightenment, or define it......I call BS on all of it.
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