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Rentier1

4/2/2018 7:58 am

Not just atheists.
We agnostics want to rid the world of faith based delusions as well.

Among these are christianity, islam, trickle down economics, guns make us safe.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/2/2018 10:00 am

And even from the Christian's privileged position, there come these wet-dreams of persecution.......because the highlight of your system is the orgy of snuff-porn that was celebrated all this weekend.......the most sacred iconography of your death-cult, is the apex of persecution......


bijou624

4/2/2018 10:02 am

What I really think Atheists and Agnostics mostly feel about Christians:

1. Wonder
How on earth are Christians able to believe in such a thing as an angry 'God' who drowns the entire population of earth during a great flood that he caused. And by the way how did Noah manage to finance the building of a huge arc to house and feed two of every animal on earth. And then how would it have been possible for Noah to somehow get elephants and tigers and other exotic animals from other continents and then feed everyone for over a month. I watched religious movies all day on Easter Sunday and although I have seen each of them many times I couldn't help wonder at how Christians could be watching the same movies as I was watching and believe that some of the strange happenings in these movies are somehow factual.

2. Envy
How are Christians able to believe the whole story, when Atheists and Agnostics are not?


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
4/2/2018 11:04 am

    Quoting bijou624:
    What I really think Atheists and Agnostics mostly feel about Christians:

    1. Wonder
    How on earth are Christians able to believe in such a thing as an angry 'God' who drowns the entire population of earth during a great flood that he caused. And by the way how did Noah manage to finance the building of a huge arc to house and feed two of every animal on earth. And then how would it have been possible for Noah to somehow get elephants and tigers and other exotic animals from other continents and then feed everyone for over a month. I watched religious movies all day on Easter Sunday and although I have seen each of them many times I couldn't help wonder at how Christians could be watching the same movies as I was watching and believe that some of the strange happenings in these movies are somehow factual.

    2. Envy
    How are Christians able to believe the whole story, when Atheists and Agnostics are not?
I can understand the doubt if just watching Hollywood's rendition of events, and even just reading the Bible.......... unless one knows the God of the Bible. The Bible is actually a history book and teaching book for believers.
When someone knows Him, and has a relationship with Him, then understanding and believing is much easier. Although I will admit, that even knowing Him for as long as I have, there are many things that I still don't understand.
PS..... Noah did not gather the animals, God brought them to him, and the geography of the earth was different than today because the flood changed it a lot. And the food was most likely multiplied, like the fishes and loaves, to sustain the animals.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
4/2/2018 11:10 am

Of course Christianity is under attack, it always has been..... because we have an enemy. It is just getting more noticeable now, because one, we have lived in a pretty calm (religiously speaking) time up until the beginning of the end times that we are now in.
Plus, we have 24 hour news showing us everything that is going on.
I am saddened by some of the things I see posted, but I don't see any sense in arguing or chastising or attempting to change anyone's mind. If an atheistic post touches me, I have shed a few tears for the person who posted it, prayed for them, and refrained from commenting.
Perhaps it would be best if we all did that, but I'm not telling anyone else what to do..... just what I chose to do.


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/2/2018 11:56 am

    Quoting  :

I didn't say anything about a death penalty being meted out to Atheists....LOL......Why do you so often think I say things I don't say.. As far as criticizing Islam......so far, there are no Muslims preaching on this site......or haven't you noticed?.....There is a daily Bible post, there is Dan and Mrs Joe expoundng on their weird beliefs as if they are in direct communication with their supernatural dictator.........and Rich......have you seen his preaching?........And you....and then there is Maisie and Liszt who don't seem to be active Christians except to defend it's privileged position.........You are so used to Christian privilege that you are threatened by a joke.......and amongst all this Christian hammering, is one Atheist who occasionally challenges the majority on this site and you go apoplectic and think you are being persecuted......Pull yourself together, man, you're trippin........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/2/2018 12:11 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    Of course Christianity is under attack, it always has been..... because we have an enemy. It is just getting more noticeable now, because one, we have lived in a pretty calm (religiously speaking) time up until the beginning of the end times that we are now in.
    Plus, we have 24 hour news showing us everything that is going on.
    I am saddened by some of the things I see posted, but I don't see any sense in arguing or chastising or attempting to change anyone's mind. If an atheistic post touches me, I have shed a few tears for the person who posted it, prayed for them, and refrained from commenting.
    Perhaps it would be best if we all did that, but I'm not telling anyone else what to do..... just what I chose to do.
I can't believe you re trying to make the Noah's Ark story literally true, LOL. You know, of course that about 8000 generations of millions of Christians have believed the End Times would happen during their life-time....LOL....I can't imagine anything more blatantly passive aggressive than the self-righteous, false piety of telling non-believers that you will pray for them.....


hobsonschoice 75F
3600 posts
4/2/2018 3:23 pm



A Few Words About the Sin of Plagiarism

by Harvey Bluedorn. Copyright 1997. All rights reserved.

Plagiarism, noun. [from plagiary.] The act of purloining another man's literary works, or introducing passages from another man's writings and putting them off as one's own; literary theft.

The world may see plagiarism as a small thing of no consequence. But we should see plagiarism for what it truly is, thievery in the sight of God.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/2/2018 4:47 pm

Do you seriously think that I have some kind of obligation to answer every stupid question you come up with?......Anyways, you already know the answer, so it's obvious you are playing some petty game. Thing is, if you lived in a country where Sharia Law is practised, you would be considered an Atheist as well....

"Rather than being grounded in sound reasoning, atheism is awash in wishful thinking with no scientific evidence to support ".........That's really funny........Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of belief........Atheist means non-theist, which only means that we reject the belief in supernatural beings.....That's all it means............In the same way that you don't believe in the existence of Allah or Buddha or Brahma or Thor or Odin or thousands of other Gods ..........

Do you think that the Bible is grounded in sound reasoning and is supported by Scientific evidence?........Do you think that your beliefs of the supernatural is devoid of wishful thinking.?.......Do you think prayer isn't wishful thinking?........ Do you think there is Scientific evidence to support .your beliefs about the supernatural?


MrsJoe 76F
17370 posts
4/2/2018 7:51 pm

    Quoting  :

Sounds like you have a very wise wife!
And I bet her blessing your fishing lures was to make sure that you brought home plenty of fish for supper! Do you clean them or do you ask her to do it?


Be a prism, spreading God's light and love, not a mirror reflecting the world's hatred.


bijou624

4/2/2018 11:40 pm

    Quoting MrsJoe:
    I can understand the doubt if just watching Hollywood's rendition of events, and even just reading the Bible.......... unless one knows the God of the Bible. The Bible is actually a history book and teaching book for believers.
    When someone knows Him, and has a relationship with Him, then understanding and believing is much easier. Although I will admit, that even knowing Him for as long as I have, there are many things that I still don't understand.
    PS..... Noah did not gather the animals, God brought them to him, and the geography of the earth was different than today because the flood changed it a lot. And the food was most likely multiplied, like the fishes and loaves, to sustain the animals.
I tried to explain what I believe non-believers feel about believers (Wonder and Envy) and you tried to help me understand what you believe. I think that is what Christians are supposed to do, so thank you. I would like nothing more than to be a believer again, but at the same time cement goes in both my ears when someone starts talking about 'god' or religion. When I was young I but was having a lot of doubts so I went to our Priest and asked a lot of questions. I don't know how all Priests feel of course, but he actually told me that he believed the Bible was part truth and part fiction and that it would help me stay in the church if I didn't take all the stories literally but rather try to see the moral of the stories.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/3/2018 1:01 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I can't believe you re trying to make the Noah's Ark story literally true, LOL. You know, of course that about 8000 generations of millions of Christians have believed the End Times would happen during their life-time....LOL....I can't imagine anything more blatantly passive aggressive than the self-righteous, false piety of telling non-believers that you will pray for them.....
If Christians (OR ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEF) had never persecuted human beings for believing differently, I might have believed in their piety and religiosity.
Unfortunately, even though they may believe they are more perfect, that their chosen beliefs are more perfect... they have never been that, nor will they ever be. They may fool themselves that they are always fighting persecution...but most of the time they have been and still are persecutors. No human is allowed to think differently from them.

Sad to say...passive- aggressive behaviour is normal behaviour to them. "I pray for you" is just another way of saying "I pity you because you are not as perfect as me"


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/3/2018 1:12 am

Big block...next time you plagiarise someone else's writing...why don't you use his full conclusion? Here it is, just so you know for the future.

FROM TO THE SOURCE.

My conclusion is that contrary to popular belief, atheism is not primarily an intellectual revolt, it is a moral revolt. Atheists don’t find God invisible so much as objectionable. This is something that we can all identify with. It is a temptation even for believers. We want to be saved as long as we are not saved from our sins. We are quite willing to be saved from a whole host of social evils, from poverty to disease to war. But we want to leave untouched the personal evils, such as selfishness and lechery and pride. We need spiritual healing, but we do not want it. Like a supervisory teenage parent, God gets in our way. This is the perennial appeal of atheism: it gets rid of the stern fellow with the long beard and liberates us for the pleasures of sin and depravity. The atheist seeks to get rid of moral judgment by getting rid of the judge


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/4/2018 2:26 am

    Quoting  :

Do you ever wonder what your "observation point" is? Or that we each have our own?
From what you say, yours is from one single point always...that of the faith you profess. And that would be fair enough, I suppose...if you could also see other points of view might be as valid as yours. It's nothing to do with being "smart" or not, it's to do with not closing your mind to open thought.

There is more than one way of life, more than one way of living it and more than one way of thinking. By ruling other viewpoints as wrong we close our minds to reality... and open them to hatred and disdain of others.

For instance... your(and others) insistence that atheists hate God...where does that thought come from? I suppose you feel that it is a requirement of your faith to believe that...but how do you think atheists can hate someone or something they do not believe even exists?

As a child, I believed everything my Catholic upbringing told me. As I got older and discovered a huge amount of discrepancies in that teaching, I doubted it and read as much as I could. I found, so many times, that no religious belief is as perfect as it claims to be and no human is ever totally right or wrong.
It was a natural progression for me to end any belief in any religion at all. That is all being an atheist is. Not hatred, not disdain... just the absence of belief...which is part of my freedom of choice...which I do believe in.

To my mind from what you've said to me and how you've treated me, you, and some others, believe I should not have that choice because it doesn't fit in with your view of "how things should be".

I, on the other hand, believe that everyone has freedom of choice. What others choose is none of my business...until they start telling me I am evil, hateful, and not as perfect as them. And even expecting me to take their insults without making any form of defence. If those people are Christians then they belittle their own personal "faith" by being hypocritical.

There is nowhere in your Bible that says Jesus said "it is a sin to hate others unless they are of a different religious belief (or non-belief) to you"

Opening one's mind to different ideas is easier than you might think...and it will not corrupt you!


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/4/2018 7:03 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Do you ever wonder what your "observation point" is? Or that we each have our own?
    From what you say, yours is from one single point always...that of the faith you profess. And that would be fair enough, I suppose...if you could also see other points of view might be as valid as yours. It's nothing to do with being "smart" or not, it's to do with not closing your mind to open thought.

    There is more than one way of life, more than one way of living it and more than one way of thinking. By ruling other viewpoints as wrong we close our minds to reality... and open them to hatred and disdain of others.

    For instance... your(and others) insistence that atheists hate God...where does that thought come from? I suppose you feel that it is a requirement of your faith to believe that...but how do you think atheists can hate someone or something they do not believe even exists?

    As a child, I believed everything my Catholic upbringing told me. As I got older and discovered a huge amount of discrepancies in that teaching, I doubted it and read as much as I could. I found, so many times, that no religious belief is as perfect as it claims to be and no human is ever totally right or wrong.
    It was a natural progression for me to end any belief in any religion at all. That is all being an atheist is. Not hatred, not disdain... just the absence of belief...which is part of my freedom of choice...which I do believe in.

    To my mind from what you've said to me and how you've treated me, you, and some others, believe I should not have that choice because it doesn't fit in with your view of "how things should be".

    I, on the other hand, believe that everyone has freedom of choice. What others choose is none of my business...until they start telling me I am evil, hateful, and not as perfect as them. And even expecting me to take their insults without making any form of defence. If those people are Christians then they belittle their own personal "faith" by being hypocritical.

    There is nowhere in your Bible that says Jesus said "it is a sin to hate others unless they are of a different religious belief (or non-belief) to you"

    Opening one's mind to different ideas is easier than you might think...and it will not corrupt you!



Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/5/2018 2:17 am

How did I know you wouldn't answer bigblock?

Because you have no answer... you don't know how to answer my honesty without having to change your attitude.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
4/5/2018 10:57 am

    Quoting  :

What you are seeing is all in your own mind...because you put it there!
Do you really believe one person posting a joke amounts to "Christianity Under Attack"? Nah... this blog was only an excuse for you to vent your hatred of Sparkle.
For a man who says he is a follower of Jesus, you display none of his teachings.
What happened to "Turn the other cheek"?

Why aren't you so offended when children and young people are really under attack and losing lives wholesale? Just because you of the "Christian Right" love your guns more than you do human beings.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/5/2018 11:17 am

    Quoting  :

You apparently understand nothing we have said........You insist on remaining the victim. You fail to accept that I and many other are offended by Christian attitudes as well......people get offended....It's a common Human emotion.........Neither I or anyone else is responsible for your feelings.....you feel offended, deal with it. You don't like my humour? not my problem......I have never seen you or anyone else on this site apologize because their jokes offended anyone.......I have been offended by many jokes on this site......Racist, Xenophobic, sexist......no one has apologized.......How about Bob with his "jokes" about offering people he disagrees with cups of Hemlock tea.....Ha Ha.....many people were offended but Bob didn't apologize and you never demanded or even suggested that he should. ...........You really need to understand that your feelings are your own responsibility........


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/5/2018 7:14 pm

    Quoting  :

I think that Bigblock's got beans in his ears, beans in his ears, beans in his ears......I think that Bigblock's got beans in his ears......beans in his earls ..cha cha cha. .......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
4/6/2018 1:08 pm

    Quoting  :

You use the term"blasphemous"........Perhaps that's the basis of your attitude that I owe Christians an apology, whereas you give other offensive humour a pass...........You must know that the idea of blasphemy is a religious term.......It doesn't apply to people outside of any religion......I can't offend a God that doesn't exist. Apparently you and your fellow God botherers are offended on behalf of your deity, which magnifies the offence in your minds......blasphemy doesn't apply to me......I think the whole concept is grotesque...Your rules, you deal with the consequences.......not my problem.