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bigblock46 73M
11154 posts
6/12/2019 7:43 am
Adding Insult to Idiocy


The California Assembly voted 44- in favor of a bill last week broadens state Medicaid coverage to include illegal immigrants to the tune of more than $3 billion annually.

Under federal law, Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program, provides health care to low-income citizens. Assembly Bill 4, if passed, would eliminate the existing citizenship requirements to receive benefits.

The bill would “extend eligibility for full-scope Medi-Cal benefits to individuals of all ages, if otherwise eligible for those benefits, but for their immigration status, and would delete provisions delaying eligibility and enrollment.”
In other words, under AB 4, illegal immigrants over 19 years old would receive the same full scope Medi-Cal benefits as taxpaying citizens, including keeping their chosen primary care provider.

Though the proposal now travels to the state Senate, there is still debate among Democrats about which illegal immigrants should qualify for these benefits.

Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, concerned over the $3.4 billion yearly increase from the bill, has advocated extending coverage for illegal aliens who are between 19 and 25 years old, costing about $98 million annually. His 2019-2020 budget already proposes $22.9 billion for Medi-Cal from the general fund of $0.7 billion.

The state Senate has put forward a budget proposal would also include coverage for illegal immigrants of 65 years and older.
But Democratic state legislators like state Sen. Maria Elena Durazo, D-Los Angeles, who co-authored the legislation, maintains the services should be available to all low-income people.

“They work in our hotels, they work picking the fruit and vegetables, they work as landscapers, they work in hospitals,” Durazo told The Wall Street Journal in an interview about the bill. “I don’t think they should be treated differently from other Californians.”

Sally Pipes, president and CEO of the Pacific Research Institute, a California-based, free-market think tank, told The Daily Signal:

Paying for the health care of the undocumented in California is, in effect, a tax on people who are here legally. It would make California an even larger magnet for more illegal immigration into the state—putting incredible additional pressure on future state budgets. If taxpayers protest with their feet by moving out of state, there will be fewer taxpayers left in California to cover skyrocketing health care costs and more pressure on the people who remain to pay for these programs.

Proponents of the bill like the California Endowment, a state nonprofit public benefit corporation, claim in their #Health4All campaign because “undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars to California’s economy,” they deserve the same access to health care services as its citizens.
#Health4All appears to be gaining support:

The highest concentration of illegal immigrants is in Los Angeles, Orange, and Santa Clara counties; the Inland Empire; and the San Joaquin Valley, according to the Public Policy Institute of California. The policy group estimates about half of the state’s illegal immigrants have incomes low enough to be eligible for Medi-Cal coverage.
The proposal, first introduced on Dec. 3, 2018, moves on to the Democrat-controlled Senate.

Considering California is already in debt.

According to a January 20 study, “California state and local governments owe $1.3 trillion as of June 30, 20.” The study was based on “a review of federal, state and local financial disclosures.”

In other words, $1.3 trillion in debt is the amount to which California governments admit. Other studies believe it to be more. Indeed, one study says it is actually $2.3 trillion and a recent Hoover Institute stated there is over $1 trillion in pension liability alone, or $76,884 per household. Incredibly, there are 4 million current pension beneficiaries, a number continues to grow and which exceeds the total population of 22 states.

Sources Leah Barkoukis and Fox News

bigblock46 73M
8867 posts
6/12/2019 7:44 am

Typical Democrat move, to take on more obligations when you got more than you can begin to cope with.


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3947 posts
6/12/2019 9:14 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Typical Democrat move, to take on more obligations when you got more than you can begin to cope with.
bb calif is now the epi center for stupid. dc is keeping pace. oops I should say congress

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


Unsafe_Sax_54 64M
1424 posts
6/12/2019 9:43 pm

They're counting - eventually - on a Federal Bail-out. Yet another reason to make sure the Dems NEVER have enough power to make it happen.


bigblock46 73M
8867 posts
6/13/2019 6:24 am

    Quoting  :

Maybe you like to see your tax money being used to give health care to people who broke the law to be in this country. I don't.

Just what is there about the WORD ILLEGAL that you don't understand?


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3947 posts
6/13/2019 12:18 pm

    Quoting dusty117:
    I don't support the sanctuary policy … I'm going to reserve judgment on this until I see what passes or doesn't pass legislature.

    That said … We know who does much of the work here in California. I happen to like fresh food and want it to stay affordable. California farms and ranches feed the world and it takes skilled labor to do it. That's why the last two California Governors called on Trump for IMIGRATION REFORM. Getting immigration reform done doesn't garner votes, therefore Trump isn't interested. Fear, hate and lies gets Trump voters to the poles.

    BTW California is the 5th largest economy in the world. Do you know what a billion dollars is? The Trump family grubbed a cool billion in "tax reform". Queen Donald's tariffs TAX consumers in the US to the tune of US a billion dollars per month.
ill go slow for you.

you don't like trump or repubs or the ones that support aka elected him. you know the 30%

we know u hate his policies, you hate him, you hate the 30%.

now... simply put. there is at this writing time. some 25 dems , 1 or 2 repubs, an over 500 of other factions declared as canidate for the postion of potu.

that being or been said. why not seek out some one of the aforemention group.

support that person. volunteer f for phone calls, solicitating money, yard signs, poll workers.

also send money to the chosen person you suppot beat ttump.

you like your other ids,aka skariff, leaf, roxy and heavens knows who else is or are wasting time pizzing and moaning here daily abouthw dumb the 0% is o be.

what we did in 2016 was turn out and voted. what we will do in 2020 is turn out n much lager number and vote.

work to turn out the dem vote. offer ride to the polls etc.

calling us cultist , racist, dumb stooped sheep etc. aint gunna creepy uncle joe, or the bern or mayo browns wench aint getting any one in the polling center.

to sum it up. make fun of us, laff at us, call trump names. do this up to nov 2020.

next morn you will see the star of trumps 2nd term.

guess who will be to blame???????

THE ONESS OF U LIKE TX, YOU, YYOUR ENDLESS IDS. ET. AN OTHERS WHO SAT ON YOUR AZZ AND DID NOTHING.

TRUMP/PENCE 2020

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


hiramhankwilliam 95M
3947 posts
6/13/2019 12:20 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Maybe you like to see your tax money being used to give health care to people who broke the law to be in this country. I don't.

    Just what is there about the WORD ILLEGAL that you don't understand?
BB he and other dems have no clues regarding paying for the pie int eh sky they promise.

like barry, their solution is print more money

DEATH IS A CERTAIN, ETERNITY IS A CHOICE


dusty117 69M
830 posts
6/13/2019 12:29 pm

I don't support the sanctuary policy … I'm going to reserve judgment on this until I see what passes or doesn't pass legislature.

That said … We know who does much of the work here in California. I happen to like fresh food and want it to stay affordable. California farms and ranches feed the world and it takes skilled labor to do it. That's why the last two California Governors called on Trump for IMIGRATION REFORM. Getting immigration reform done doesn't garner votes, therefore Trump isn't interested. Fear, hate and lies gets Trump voters to the poles.

BTW California is the 5th largest economy in the world. Do you know what a billion dollars is? The Trump family grubbed a cool billion in "tax reform". Queen Donald's tariffs TAX consumers in the US to the tune of a billion dollars per month.


bigblock46 73M
8867 posts
6/13/2019 3:27 pm

"That's why the last two California Governors called on Trump for IMIGRATION REFORM. Getting immigration reform done doesn't garner votes, therefore Trump isn't interested. Fear,"

It appears, at least to me, that "free" college education, that you are always telling us about sure didn't teach you a doggone thing. Government 101 taught me that the congress makes the laws in this country, not the President. The most recent major immigration reform enacted in the United States, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants.Some 33 years ago. I would like to think that at least 1 of those congress's could have passed a Immigration Reform Bill and any one of 4 Presidents, two of which are Democrats, could have signed into law.


desertwidower 79M
6 posts
6/13/2019 5:54 pm

I enjoy most of what you have to say...Noting you live in the Great State of Iowa, offers me some insight into the way you think. California is an unusual place to reside. I believe this state may eventually implode economically, ethically, morally and any other "ly" I've not mentioned. In my opinion, the primary element for the state's gradual degradation is $$$. The competition to suck as much $$$ from the state to live an upgraded lifestyle is everywhere. So much is said about revising pension funds. In softer tones you'll hear echoes, from those who may be impacted, "do it AFTER I RETIRE... LOL All what I've said are my personal musings...I'm retired and living on the returns of my early preparations FOR retirement and contributing to SS since I was 11.


dusty117 69M
830 posts
6/13/2019 7:27 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    "That's why the last two California Governors called on Trump for IMIGRATION REFORM. Getting immigration reform done doesn't garner votes, therefore Trump isn't interested. Fear,"

    It appears, at least to me, that "free" college education, that you are always telling us about sure didn't teach you a doggone thing. Government 101 taught me that the congress makes the laws in this country, not the President. The most recent major immigration reform enacted in the United States, the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, made it illegal to hire or recruit illegal immigrants.Some 33 years ago. I would like to think that at least 1 of those congress's could have passed a Immigration Reform Bill and any one of 4 Presidents, two of which are Democrats, could have signed into law.
Walking on both sides of the street is what the Trump cult does best. You don't need a college education to know that the President often calls on congress to produce bills that he WANTS TO SIGN INTO LAW.

Trump called on Congress to produce the Tax Reform .. Lyndon Johnson called on Congress to produce Civil Rights Bills ... same with Obama and Affordable Care Act .. Clinton and NAFTA etc etc etc .

Dude, stop playing dumb.


bigblock46 73M
8867 posts
6/14/2019 5:28 am

    Quoting dusty117:
    Walking on both sides of the street is what the Trump cult does best. You don't need a college education to know that the President often calls on congress to produce bills that he WANTS TO SIGN INTO LAW.

    Trump called on Congress to produce the Tax Reform .. Lyndon Johnson called on Congress to produce Civil Rights Bills ... same with Obama and Affordable Care Act .. Clinton and NAFTA etc etc etc .

    Dude, stop playing dumb.
Yes the President can ask but notice the key word is ASK, just as your's is CALL. Every President starting with George H W Bush has CALLED on Congress to pass comprehensive Immigration Reform. So far nothing has been placed on the Presidents desk. California in 1994 passed Prop 187 only to have it declared unconstitutional.

No I am not playing dumb, Dude.


dusty117 69M
830 posts
6/14/2019 1:25 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Yes the President can ask but notice the key word is ASK, just as your's is CALL. Every President starting with George H W Bush has CALLED on Congress to pass comprehensive Immigration Reform. So far nothing has been placed on the Presidents desk. California in 1994 passed Prop 187 only to have it declared unconstitutional.

    No I am not playing dumb, Dude.
Trump asked/begged Congress for a tax code that benefits the wealthiest Americans and does next to nothing for the working middle class. He got exactly what he asked for … his only major accomplishment.

And I agree, Trump wouldn't be able to work on Immigration Reform. He's too stupid. He can't undo his stupid rhetoric. Rhetoric like … drug addicts, ... Trump prefers immigrants from white nations not shi! hole nations … Mexico is not one of our allies, partner or friend … merit based immigration for the wealthy .. Many of us believe you take a man at his word. You could argue that Trump isn't a man.


bigblock46 73M
8867 posts
6/14/2019 2:23 pm

The fact still remains they didn't do it for Clinton, Bush, or Obama, who all called on Congress to "fix our ridiculous immigration laws". What makes you think they are going to act now. The fact is that immigration reform is nothing but a political football that they can kick back and forth. No action just a lot of empty talk to get to keep their cushy jobs.