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9/5/2017 4:43 pm |
Well said thank you Maggie. When parents decide to move they bring the kids. Who doesn't get that! Depending on who you talk to Trump is down to around 25% support from US Citizens. His white trash campaign garnered the vote of racists and bigots and he still needs them desperately. Where would he be without them?
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All of a sudden, because it's convenient, Trump must uphold the law at all costs.....Yet where was your defence of the law when Trump pardoned Arpaio ?......I'm sure you will trot out some twisted rationalization for that racist debacle.......Your constant game of twister in order to force the facts to fit your version of events does not go unnoticed.
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All of a sudden, because it's convenient, Trump must uphold the law at all costs.....Yet where was your defence of the law when Trump pardoned Arpaio ?......I'm sure you will trot out some twisted rationalization for that racist debacle.......Your constant game of twister in order to force the facts to fit your version of events does not go unnoticed. The repeal of DACA, means nothing to Trump but an opportunity. I dont' believe Trump has an agenda that includes the removal of DACA. but he will assume the credit if Congress passes a fair and equitable law in regards to Daca. If Congress does not do anything, then Trump will blame Congress, and pass an excutive order again. DACA's are not going to be deported. That's the first reason , The second and probably more important to him, is the leverage he will have for the rest of his agenda. Call it leverage... I call it blackmail. Want DACA... pass the budget, want DACA pass tax reform, want DACA drop the Russian investigation, want DACA you got to suck my_____first. That's the way Trumps rolls.
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I can't believe youfolks haven't figured out Trump Yet. The repeal of DACA, means nothing to Trump but an opportunity. I dont' believe Trump has an agenda that includes the removal of DACA. but he will assume the credit if Congress passes a fair and equitable law in regards to Daca. If Congress does not do anything, then Trump will blame Congress, and pass an excutive order again. DACA's are not going to be deported. That's the first reason , The second and probably more important to him, is the leverage he will have for the rest of his agenda. Call it leverage... I call it blackmail. Want DACA... pass the budget, want DACA pass tax reform, want DACA drop the Russian investigation, want DACA you got to suck my_____first. That's the way Trumps rolls.
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You often seem to be completely devoid of and unaware that Human emotions have a large role in Ethics......That Ethics and Morals are based on Empathy.......which, in case you missed the connection somehow, is a Human Emotion.....Actually, many animals also demonstrate empathy......
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Why don't you ask your own counterpart, Maisie, she knows everything.....
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Here ya go, Bigblock, because I know you won't or can't do the research yourself and because I know you won't believe anything I say unless I quote an American source..........This i from the US Chamber of Commerce...... "MYTH: Jobs filled by immigrants are jobs that could be filled by unemployed Americans. FACT: Immigrants typically do not compete for jobs with native-born workers, and immigrants create jobs as entrepreneurs, consumers, and taxpayers. Employment is not a “zero-sum” game.1 The U.S. economy does not contain a fixed number of jobs for which immigrants and native-born workers compete. For instance, if the 8.1 million undocumented immigrant workers now in the United States2 were removed from the country, there would not be 8.1 million job openings for unemployed Americans. The reason for this is two-fold. First, removing 8.1 million undocumented workers from the economy would also remove 8.1 million entrepreneurs, consumers, and taxpayers. This would cause the U.S. economy to lose jobs.3 Secondly, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another, and are therefore not interchangeable.4 One of the principal ways in which immigrants create jobs is through the businesses they establish. Immigrants to our country join native-born Americans in being risk takers. According to the Kauffman Index of Entrepreneurial Activity, in 2014 immigrants continued to be “almost twice as likely as the native-born to become entrepreneurs.” 5 Using census data, the Partnership for a New American Economy estimates that immigrant-owned businesses “generate more than $775 billion in revenue, $125 billion in payroll, and $100 billion in income, employing one out of every 10 workers along the way.”6 Moreover, immigrants made up 28.5 percent of all new entrepreneurs in 2014—up from 13.3 percent in 1996.7 Immigrants play an important role in job creation in both small and large businesses. A report from the Fiscal Policy Institute found that immigrant-owned small businesses employed 4.7 million people and had $776 billion in receipts in 2007. 8 In addition, 18 percent of business owners in the U.S. were foreign-born—higher than the immigrant share of the population (13 percent) or labor force (16 percent).9 Furthermore, 28 percent of “Main Street” business owners—those who bring businesses like grocery stores, restaurants, and clothing stores to neighborhoods—were foreign-born.10 With respect to large businesses, a report from the Partnership for a New American Economy estimated that Fortune 500 companies founded by immigrants account for 18 percent (or 90) of all Fortune 500 companies, generate $1.7 trillion in annual revenue, and employ more than 3.6 million workers worldwide. These companies include AT&T, Verizon, Procter & Gamble, Pfizer, Kraft Foods, Comcast, Intel, Merck, DuPont, Google, Cigna, Kohl’s, Colgate-Palmolive, PG&E, Sara Lee, Sun Microsystems, United States Steel, Qualcomm, eBay, Nordstrom, and Yahoo!.11 Similarly, a 2008 study found that one-quarter of all engineering and technology-related companies established in the United States between 1995 and 2005 had an immigrant founder or co-founder, and these companies had $52 billion in sales and 450,000 employees as of 2005.12 Immigrants also create jobs as consumers. Immigrant workers spend their wages buying food, clothes, appliances, cars, and other products and services from U.S. businesses.13 Furthermore, businesses respond to the presence of new immigrant workers by investing in new restaurants, stores, and production facilities.14 The end result is more jobs for more workers. For instance, a study by the University of Nebraska, Omaha estimated that spending by immigrants generated roughly 12,000 jobs for the state of Nebraska in 2006—including more than 8,000 jobs in the Omaha and Lincoln metropolitan areas.15"
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put yourself in their shoes. Think about it?.. think what it would be like to get a job without a work permit or social security card. Think about what jobs would be available to you think your ability to advance. think about those "good job" that would be awaiting you. Think about who's going to employ you and why they they are willing to. Think about all the people that will prey on you both businessmen and criminals. Think about the target you would be wearing your entire life. Of course you can't understand it.... You have a hard time with "Citizen" fairness and decency. So how can one expect you care about HUMAN fairness and decency.
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"Do we have an obligation to put the interest of illegal immigrants ahead of the interests of American citizens?" Are you for real? the idea that giving mercy, and compassion for those in need. Somehow is an advantage over those who don't need it? This is the way you think..... They are getting something, you don't need and already have... that's enough for you to say they are being put ahead of you? Do you ever draw the line between citizens of color that take advantage of US, and the illegals of color, who we take advantage of. They are one in the same to you. You look down on them, believing you're not looking down...they are looking up. White Anglo-Saxon America is the only definition of America for you. But you're NOT rascist.
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"Yet you three are championing the people who BROKE the law to get here. Shame Shame on you!!" What is the law and who's law is it? Dreamers didn't break any law? Just YOUR law. And so we must apply the sins of the father to the son. It seems one must be concerned that people who breaks the law must understand the law, agree to the law, and then act otherwise. Illegals don't break their law, they break YOUR law. You throw around the law, as absolute... but only absolute to your choosing. People who get abortion aren't breaking the law. but they are breaking YOUR law and God's Law. It's God's law..... to protect the innocent. Yet a mother carrying an infant child across our border, does not make the child innocent? YOU get to choose......When a mother's actions are the responsibility of the child, and when the mother's actions cannot be the responsibility of the the child. So you break the laws of consistency and integrity. If you go to a Muslim run country.... YOU will break THEIR law. But their law is not YOUR law. How is that different? In a way I should agree with you.....YOU break my laws. My laws of reasoning, My laws of truth, my laws of empathy, and my laws of compassion. You cross my border all the time....So if it be my choice......then I get to choose, that you BROKE the law. Not the government Law, or even directly the laws of God....You BROKE the laws of HUMANITY.
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Big.. You have an amazing capacity to tell people they don't answer your questions, when all they do is answer it, and you never answer theirs. You never answer my questions to you, but with other questions. You never confront yourself. You blame others for not answering question, when the truth is................. you never answer any. So lets see if you can answer my questions............ What is a law and does it matter.... who's law is it? What takes precedents, the laws of God or the laws of man. Who decides when the laws of man come in conflict with the laws of God, or the laws of man, come in conflict with other men's laws. Is the Supreme Court's job to uphold the law, or make decisions when laws come in conflict with one another. Should the Supreme Court be per-ordained to their decisions.... In other words..... have all clergy, have all conservatives, or have all liberals? Is agreement with You.. the only determining factor of the direction, and decisions of the Supreme Court?.. Is it the Supreme Court's job to uphold YOUR law? Is a child, who is brought here by an "illegal"...innocent or guilty of being "illegal"? Does an "illegal", as a result of crossing our border......lose his/her human dignity? Does a Mexican, lose more dignity, than a European over staying their visa. Is one different than the other. Does someone who crosses the border illegally, more apt to commit another crime, than someone who commits the crime of overstaying their visa?
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the moral is suspect when people want something from you..... Your analogy is exactly that, Liberal who believe white people owe blacks, are just as wrong. that doesn't make your treatment of Dreamers right.
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