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sparkleflit 76F
4987 posts
10/26/2017 3:31 pm
HITCH....


"Religious belief is a totalitarian belief. It is the wish to be a slave.It is the desire that there be an unalterable , unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime while you are asleep, who can subject you...who must, indeed, subject you you to total surveillance around the clock every waking and sleeping minute of your life.....I say, of your life...before you were born and,
even worse, and where the fun begins, after you're dead. A celestial North Korea."


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/26/2017 3:52 pm

"Let's say the consensus is that our species is, being the higher primates,
Homo Sapiens, have been on this planet 100,000 years, maybe more.Francis Collins says 100,000, Richard Dawkins thinks maybe a quarter-of-a-million. I'll take 100,000. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe that, for 98,000 years,
our species suffered and died, most of it's children dying in childbirth, most other people having a life-expectancy of about 25 years, dying of their teeth, famine,
struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery, all of that for 98,000 years. Heaven watches this with complete indifference.

And then, 2000 years ago, thinks ..."That's enough of that, It's time to intervene," and the best way to do this would be by condemning someone to a Human sacrifice somewhere in the less literate parts of the Middle East.

Don't let's appeal to the Chinese, for example, where people can read and study evidence and have a civilization. Let's go to the desert and have another revelation there. This is nonsense. It can't be believed by a thinking person."

Christopher Hitchins


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/27/2017 4:06 am

A t the beginning, long ago, man determined what was good and what was bad, almost entirely from a survival standpoint. Once man created good and bad so then came good and evil. First good and evil were objectified....then they were multiply personified...then singularly personified..

God cannot intervene on that in which he was created from.

God is not absolute....It's man's attempt to make good and evil absolute, where good and evil are not absolute. As man evolves so does good and evil. Science and it's conflict with God..proves that everyday.

The fact is... God does not define good and evil.....Good and evil defines God.....Man defines good and evil... so man defines God. It was that way in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/27/2017 4:40 am

Of course, when RELIGION came along, it all became one big mess.

I have not denied God......

From the beginning God existed in man....It is represented by man ability to determine good and bad and right from wrong.

Religion has turned that gift on it's head, making that determination for us. Like there are mutants among us, incapable of understanding good and bad.

Whether or not you believe in Adam and Eve, or the first man who determined what is good or what is bad. God gave us ALL what we need.

Beyond the scope of good and evil, man became infected with a disease. As man defined God, so it is man can now play God. Man tries to play God, in every walk on his life...Motivated by his idea of religion and the absolute.....A single man's Good and Evil must become everyone's good and evil, in the name of God.....


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/27/2017 9:45 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Of course, when RELIGION came along, it all became one big mess.

    I have not denied God......

    From the beginning God existed in man....It is represented by man ability to determine good and bad and right from wrong.

    Religion has turned that gift on it's head, making that determination for us. Like there are mutants among us, incapable of understanding good and bad.

    Whether or not you believe in Adam and Eve, or the first man who determined what is good or what is bad. God gave us ALL what we need.

    Beyond the scope of good and evil, man became infected with a disease. As man defined God, so it is man can now play God. Man tries to play God, in every walk on his life...Motivated by his idea of religion and the absolute.....A single man's Good and Evil must become everyone's good and evil, in the name of God.....
The phrase "God is Good" is a judgement based on Human-derived morality. How do we know God is Good?....


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/27/2017 3:14 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    The phrase "God is Good" is a judgement based on Human-derived morality. How do we know God is Good?....
That's the problem people think
|God is good...

We don't need to define God we need to define good.
Good is God.