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sparkleflit 76F
5212 posts
10/8/2018 8:34 pm
JUST AS MEN...




sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/8/2018 8:40 pm


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
10/9/2018 2:03 am

Exactly!


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/9/2018 7:34 am

If people could understand.. I wouldn't have to talk so much...I wouldn't have to to try and explain myself

In the general sense..It's a perfect example of people's confusion about the HOW and the What.

The MISTAKES Some people make about it, goes both ways

Women who support men...think they got to support the system
Women who are against the system...think they can't support men.

The How and the What are ALWAYS separate issues... that some people can't separate.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/9/2018 9:16 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    If people could understand.. I wouldn't have to talk so much...I wouldn't have to to try and explain myself

    In the general sense..It's a perfect example of people's confusion about the HOW and the What.

    The MISTAKES Some people make about it, goes both ways

    Women who support men...think they got to support the system
    Women who are against the system...think they can't support men.

    The How and the What are ALWAYS separate issues... that some people can't separate.
Oh for God's sake Jiminy, listen to yourself mansplaining till you're blue in the face......


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
10/9/2018 12:31 pm

    Quoting  :

I've noticed the same thing in hundreds of Muslim families Bijou. Even ones where all are male, but the mother. I know two families, one with five sons and ones with seven! Many Chinese, far Eastern and black families are similar too. In fact, families from most countries and continents are held together by a strong matriarchy. I think this is why the old dinosaurs feel the need to wield their imagined power in SFF. They can pretend to be the "strong powerful men" they imagine they are.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/9/2018 1:25 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Oh for God's sake Jiminy, listen to yourself mansplaining till you're blue in the face......

Mansplaining?

Is that WHAT I Do?
How I do it?
or do I not have a choice, because I'm a man.?.

I agree with your blog.. and you want to put ME on the defensive.

What don't you understand about the How and the What?

It's a new low, writing a blog the writer doesn't even understand.. Gender identifying....Opposite gender not allowed to understand

So tell me what it is you don't like about my mansplaining
What I am explaining
How I am explaining it
or simply.. I am a Man.. and not the how or the what i explain.. and I can't do it any other way because I am man.. Now I know you're not gender biased.... So it's not because i'm a man...It's must be because I'm just one those who have an a penis......


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sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/9/2018 5:16 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    Mansplaining?

    Is that WHAT I Do?
    How I do it?
    or do I not have a choice, because I'm a man.?.

    I agree with your blog.. and you want to put ME on the defensive.

    What don't you understand about the How and the What?

    It's a new low, writing a blog the writer doesn't even understand.. Gender identifying....Opposite gender not allowed to understand

    So tell me what it is you don't like about my mansplaining
    What I am explaining
    How I am explaining it
    or simply.. I am a Man.. and not the how or the what i explain.. and I can't do it any other way because I am man.. Now I know you're not gender biased.... So it's not because i'm a man...It's must be because I'm just one those who have an a penis......

    .
It's the patronizing....."If people would understand, I wouldn't have to talk so much, explain myself"......You do this constantly.....always assuming that you're the only one who "understands" and you have to explain it to us.........Your version of reality is only your version, not the ultimate version......you don't have to explain it....please stop explaining everything..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/10/2018 1:58 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    It's the patronizing....."If people would understand, I wouldn't have to talk so much, explain myself"......You do this constantly.....always assuming that you're the only one who "understands" and you have to explain it to us.........Your version of reality is only your version, not the ultimate version......you don't have to explain it....please stop explaining everything..
"it's the patronizing....."If people would understand, I wouldn't have to talk so much, explain myself"..."

My reference was about "people" who don't understand YOUR blog.. not about YOU, women or men, ...."If people could understand your blog"....
I do it all the time... I make a shoe, not to fit anybody in particular..I throw it out there...and if you think it fits.. then you get to "wear" it... So Don't tell me it doesn't fit...because to say that ... YOU had to try it on..

The misinterpreting of words.....is almost always accompanied by bias and prejudice, and assumptions.

So I'm going to help you out...make your shoe ...fit me..
To clarify, my own bias, prejudice and assumption.. I asked you to explain what your reasoning was for using "mansplaining"?.......whether I was being "objectified" or "subjectified".. OR my biased assumption .... "cuntified"..
Now, You see.. you got to me "mansplaining" .. "Mansplaining" to me.. Is not about explaining it to "Femi-Nazi" WOMEN...It's about explaining 'Femi-Nazi" women to MEN

Now if you want to use a word..... for what I do...that I know I do...that I wish I didn't do...... and if you gave a ratsazz, help me not to do it........The word is PONTIFICATE.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
10/10/2018 10:03 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    "it's the patronizing....."If people would understand, I wouldn't have to talk so much, explain myself"..."

    My reference was about "people" who don't understand YOUR blog.. not about YOU, women or men, ...."If people could understand your blog"....
    I do it all the time... I make a shoe, not to fit anybody in particular..I throw it out there...and if you think it fits.. then you get to "wear" it... So Don't tell me it doesn't fit...because to say that ... YOU had to try it on..

    The misinterpreting of words.....is almost always accompanied by bias and prejudice, and assumptions.

    So I'm going to help you out...make your shoe ...fit me..
    To clarify, my own bias, prejudice and assumption.. I asked you to explain what your reasoning was for using "mansplaining"?.......whether I was being "objectified" or "subjectified".. OR my biased assumption .... "cuntified"..
    Now, You see.. you got to me "mansplaining" .. "Mansplaining" to me.. Is not about explaining it to "Femi-Nazi" WOMEN...It's about explaining 'Femi-Nazi" women to MEN

    Now if you want to use a word..... for what I do...that I know I do...that I wish I didn't do...... and if you gave a ratsazz, help me not to do it........The word is PONTIFICATE.
Jiminy, if you are going to use disgusting words like that, and blame women for "making you do it" you might as well join the other ignorant imbeciles in SFF.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/10/2018 2:24 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    "it's the patronizing....."If people would understand, I wouldn't have to talk so much, explain myself"..."

    My reference was about "people" who don't understand YOUR blog.. not about YOU, women or men, ...."If people could understand your blog"....
    I do it all the time... I make a shoe, not to fit anybody in particular..I throw it out there...and if you think it fits.. then you get to "wear" it... So Don't tell me it doesn't fit...because to say that ... YOU had to try it on..

    The misinterpreting of words.....is almost always accompanied by bias and prejudice, and assumptions.

    So I'm going to help you out...make your shoe ...fit me..
    To clarify, my own bias, prejudice and assumption.. I asked you to explain what your reasoning was for using "mansplaining"?.......whether I was being "objectified" or "subjectified".. OR my biased assumption .... "cuntified"..
    Now, You see.. you got to me "mansplaining" .. "Mansplaining" to me.. Is not about explaining it to "Femi-Nazi" WOMEN...It's about explaining 'Femi-Nazi" women to MEN

    Now if you want to use a word..... for what I do...that I know I do...that I wish I didn't do...... and if you gave a ratsazz, help me not to do it........The word is PONTIFICATE.
Sorry dude, I threw out my shingle......I no longer offer therapy sessions.......


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/11/2018 7:22 am

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    Jiminy, if you are going to use disgusting words like that, and blame women for "making you do it" you might as well join the other ignorant imbeciles in SFF.


My word may be offensive, it was intended that way....but you see.. you can't have it both ways.. Someone shouldn't talk about How disgusting something is, and then go ahead, and be disgusting herself.... Especially when it makes her blog.. totally hypocritical.

"Mansplaining" to me was just as offensive.. I gave sparkle the opportunity to explain why she used it....She didn't... So I needed to assume what I assumed.. And how it made me FEEL

So me explaining "mansplaining", and How I saw it.. was not about trying to be disgusting.. It was about making you... just as disgusted as I was.... I thought to use..."womansplaining"....but that just wouldn't have gotten my point across. It wouldn't have narrow it down enough.. to what I thought of a woman who would use the word "MANsplaining" and NOT explain herself. So i did it, in a "mansplaining" way

I'm glad it worked. Now you know how I felt..


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/11/2018 8:17 am

The point I got from the blog.. is that the patriarchal system.. shouldn't DEFINE men.
It's a systems. A system... if matriarchal ...that shouldn't define women
The problem is.. IT DOES

You can't say it defines you.. and then say it doesn't define you..

Women will assume a matriarcal system.. will define them.... like men are to be defined by the patriarchal system..

So a Patriarcal system.. shouldn't define men.. it also shouldn't define women... but somehow it does?

You can't have it both ways...

If men choose to define themselves by a patriarchal systems and it's wrong..
Why would a woman want to do the same thing?

I read the blog and assumed what it meant.....Re-reading and analyzing it..
it's confusingly worded, and bullshit propaganda to entice women.

Two statement that equate in the positive.. should also equate in the negative

So in making the statement negative.... what we get is..

Women CAN"T support the system of Patriarchy, just like men CAN'T support the fight for gender equality...

That changes my original thought of the blog's meaning.
What made me read it again.. was sparkles.. "mansplaining".. which, to me, was men bashing and how that conformed to her blog.....
Re-reading it...the blog was really men bashing also..
So it's no wonder my opinion wasn't allowed to stand.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/11/2018 8:46 am

I got to deal.. with this crap from the "other side" all the time.....

I be damned....... If I allow myself to erroneously and negatively labeled as.. one of those.. Liberals. Then allow someone to negatively label Me.....One of those... MEN

Like i said...... the HOW is always the problem for me... NOT the WHAT.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/11/2018 9:45 am

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    My word may be offensive, it was intended that way....but you see.. you can't have it both ways.. Someone shouldn't talk about How disgusting something is, and then go ahead, and be disgusting herself.... Especially when it makes her blog.. totally hypocritical.

    "Mansplaining" to me was just as offensive.. I gave sparkle the opportunity to explain why she used it....She didn't... So I needed to assume what I assumed.. And how it made me FEEL

    So me explaining "mansplaining", and How I saw it.. was not about trying to be disgusting.. It was about making you... just as disgusted as I was.... I thought to use..."womansplaining"....but that just wouldn't have gotten my point across. It wouldn't have narrow it down enough.. to what I thought of a woman who would use the word "MANsplaining" and NOT explain herself. So i did it, in a "mansplaining" way

    I'm glad it worked. Now you know how I felt..
I did so respond to your request that I explain what I meant by "mansplaining"......I did it with one word......"patronizing"......that is the essence of mansplaining...........and you're still doing it.


Katie_au_lait 78F
7026 posts
10/11/2018 12:24 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The point I got from the blog.. is that the patriarchal system.. shouldn't DEFINE men.
    It's a systems. A system... if matriarchal ...that shouldn't define women
    The problem is.. IT DOES

    You can't say it defines you.. and then say it doesn't define you..

    Women will assume a matriarcal system.. will define them.... like men are to be defined by the patriarchal system..

    So a Patriarcal system.. shouldn't define men.. it also shouldn't define women... but somehow it does?

    You can't have it both ways...

    If men choose to define themselves by a patriarchal systems and it's wrong..
    Why would a woman want to do the same thing?

    I read the blog and assumed what it meant.....Re-reading and analyzing it..
    it's confusingly worded, and bullshit propaganda to entice women.

    Two statement that equate in the positive.. should also equate in the negative

    So in making the statement negative.... what we get is..

    Women CAN"T support the system of Patriarchy, just like men CAN'T support the fight for gender equality...

    That changes my original thought of the blog's meaning.
    What made me read it again.. was sparkles.. "mansplaining".. which, to me, was men bashing and how that conformed to her blog.....
    Re-reading it...the blog was really men bashing also..
    So it's no wonder my opinion wasn't allowed to stand.
You could have found some other word, Jiminy. And you could have taken responsibility for the one you did use. If that's the way you view women you are putting yourself alongside the crudest men in SFF...the ignorant men who objectify women. I thought you had more sense and more self-respect than that.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/11/2018 9:11 pm

    Quoting  :

The woman may be in charge in the home, but in business and in government, it's the men who run things.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/11/2018 9:14 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    I've noticed the same thing in hundreds of Muslim families Bijou. Even ones where all are male, but the mother. I know two families, one with five sons and ones with seven! Many Chinese, far Eastern and black families are similar too. In fact, families from most countries and continents are held together by a strong matriarchy. I think this is why the old dinosaurs feel the need to wield their imagined power in SFF. They can pretend to be the "strong powerful men" they imagine they are.
But the top echelons of decision making are still male......and we see where the power lies in sexual abuse, for instance......


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/11/2018 9:29 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The point I got from the blog.. is that the patriarchal system.. shouldn't DEFINE men.
    It's a systems. A system... if matriarchal ...that shouldn't define women
    The problem is.. IT DOES

    You can't say it defines you.. and then say it doesn't define you..

    Women will assume a matriarcal system.. will define them.... like men are to be defined by the patriarchal system..

    So a Patriarcal system.. shouldn't define men.. it also shouldn't define women... but somehow it does?

    You can't have it both ways...

    If men choose to define themselves by a patriarchal systems and it's wrong..
    Why would a woman want to do the same thing?

    I read the blog and assumed what it meant.....Re-reading and analyzing it..
    it's confusingly worded, and bullshit propaganda to entice women.

    Two statement that equate in the positive.. should also equate in the negative

    So in making the statement negative.... what we get is..

    Women CAN"T support the system of Patriarchy, just like men CAN'T support the fight for gender equality...

    That changes my original thought of the blog's meaning.
    What made me read it again.. was sparkles.. "mansplaining".. which, to me, was men bashing and how that conformed to her blog.....
    Re-reading it...the blog was really men bashing also..
    So it's no wonder my opinion wasn't allowed to stand.
What is this matriarchal system you're talking about?.....So now you are a victim of the Matriarchy?........


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/12/2018 1:14 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    What is this matriarchal system you're talking about?.....So now you are a victim of the Matriarchy?........
The matriarchal system doesn't exist.....I am talking about the one in your head..
The one that defines the patriarchal system.. and the one that would rather substitute it with a matriarchal system...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/12/2018 1:51 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    You could have found some other word, Jiminy. And you could have taken responsibility for the one you did use. If that's the way you view women you are putting yourself alongside the crudest men in SFF...the ignorant men who objectify women. I thought you had more sense and more self-respect than that.
So... i need to explain it again?

It wasn't meant for you .. it was meant for sparkle.. that is, unless you agree that in no way did she offend me.

All the time here.. have I ever disaparged you....have all I done is praise you. So you think I would intend it for you?
I'm sorry if offended you.. I'm sorry that you now think I'm a lowlife

but you see.... I'm not sorry for what I thought...I'm sorry for what I made you think. I am sorry my communication with you wasn't good enough.
I'm sorry the word is so vile.. that context doesn't matter.
I do not use that word.. I think it's vile too.....as with any vile word I find only vile in the context it is used.
I used it to show what Some MEN think.. if I'm going to be accuse of being one them..I want the accuser to understand what one of them is really like.

I was surprized you didn't figured that out.. you usually good at stuff like that.. Especially when I do not have that kind of history with you. My mistake was thinking you wouldn't jump on that bandwagon so easily. ....When someone like Panther was on it... before I even said it.
If that's not good enough.. I'm sorry you feel that way..

of course to Sparkle.. my saying I'm sorry.. doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot..
just another "mansplaining" and patronizing.. So tell her good luck with that, because she will NEVER NEVER hear me tell her I'm sorry.


sparkleflit 76F
10271 posts
10/12/2018 8:27 pm

    Quoting jiminycricket1:
    The matriarchal system doesn't exist.....I am talking about the one in your head..
    The one that defines the patriarchal system.. and the one that would rather substitute it with a matriarchal system...
Telling me what I think is the very epitome of mansplaining.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
10/17/2018 4:09 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Telling me what I think is the very epitome of mansplaining.
Yes Yes Yes... exactly....

Exactly what you thought
Exactly, the undercurrent I get from every response from you
Exactly.. what offends me.