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sparkleflit 71F
2771 posts
4/27/2019 11:10 pm
What's The Difference Between Evangelicals and Atheists?


At least Atheists are honest about not following Jesus......

sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/27/2019 11:12 pm


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/28/2019 3:34 am

With their faith in the Bible and Jesus, evangelical Christians may seem similar to other Christian denominations, even bearing some of the same names. But their unique beliefs and interpretations of Christianity make them a distinct worldwide movement, emphasizing the "born again" experience, the infallibility of the Bible, salvation by faith in Jesus alone, the need to evangelize or spread their message, and the rapture of the church in the end times.

Now I don't want to turn your blog into a argument about religion. I ask you to accept this as one of many answers you may receive to your question.


GavinLS2 64M
1495 posts
4/28/2019 5:27 am

The term evangelist refers to someone advocating the view of Biblical inerrancy, as opposed to the Roman Catholic view of Biblical infallibility. Thus, Evangelists are all Protestant Christians. But not all Protestants are evangelists.

Atheists hold the view that the spiritual claims of the Bible are myths.

No one is completely honest. Some evangelists don't really follow Jesus yet don't realize it, and some Atheists believe more on the existence of God than they realize.

GBU,

Gavin


Katie_au_lait 73F
6581 posts
4/28/2019 7:12 am

Here's my answer in an old Gloria Gaynor song.

I am what I am
I don't want praise, I don't want pity
I bang my own drum
Some think it's noise, I think it's pretty
And so what if I love each sparkle and each bangle
Why not try to see things from a different angle
Your life is a sham
Till you can shout out
I am what I am.

I am what I am
And what I am needs no excuses
I deal my own deck
Sometimes the aces sometimes the deuces
It's one life and there's no return and no deposit
One life so it's time to open up your closet
Life's not worth a damn till you can shout out
I am what I am.

I don't need to be what anyone else thinks I should be. I Iive up to my own set of human standards...not theirs. As far as I'm concerned that's as acceptable as any other belief.


Rich1937 82M
6414 posts
4/28/2019 12:29 pm

I am a sinner and am not perfect. The Son of God gave His life as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for my sin so I can be free; Believing on Him and accepting the free gift allows me to be with Him when I leave this life I fail Him every day. but the Bible says if I confess my sins He is able and just to forgive m sins. God sees me as pure because Jesus acts as my attorney and reminds God He paid for my sins.
You may ridicule me for my faith. but I will lose nothing because of it.
After all, I laugh at those who believe that climate change is caused by people and farting cows!


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/28/2019 2:59 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    I am a sinner and am not perfect. The Son of God gave His life as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for my sin so I can be free; Believing on Him and accepting the free gift allows me to be with Him when I leave this life I fail Him every day. but the Bible says if I confess my sins He is able and just to forgive m sins. God sees me as pure because Jesus acts as my attorney and reminds God He paid for my sins.
    You may ridicule me for my faith. but I will lose nothing because of it.
    After all, I laugh at those who believe that climate change is caused by people and farting cows!

Yes, I'm well aware that you cling desperately to Jesus as your get out of jail free card........You have conveyed that endlessly on this site.......That's what I mean.......you have concocted this banana-split Jesus that allows you to behave any way you want.....in your fantasy, all it takes for eternal life is to subjugate yourself before your imaginary super-hero.......


Rocketship 75F
15471 posts
4/28/2019 3:06 pm

Katie_au_lait hit the nail on the head for me as well~~~


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/28/2019 3:54 pm

If you look at the history of Christianity......at all the different beliefs, the thousands of denominations and millions of different interpretations of the same words in the Bible.........the arguments over translations......is it "young woman" or "virgin" is it metaphor or actual? Is it a fable to convey a lesson, or is it an actual event?...........There is no way to know.

But they all call it "Scripture"........There is even an academic subject called Theology, in which these interpretations are endlessly digested, regurgitated and eaten again, like starving dogs........

They re-invent God and Jesus in their own image, to fulfil their own desires, to calm their own fears, to reassure each other that they will live forever in Paradise while their enemies burn..........


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/28/2019 4:58 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Yes, I'm well aware that you cling desperately to Jesus as your get out of jail free card........You have conveyed that endlessly on this site.......That's what I mean.......you have concocted this banana-split Jesus that allows you to behave any way you want.....in your fantasy, all it takes for eternal life is to subjugate yourself before your imaginary super-hero.......
You don't believe in God. While Rich does. Either way does not give you the "right" to attack him or any other for their beliefs. There are no winners in your arguments only pissed off people. As I stated in my first response just accept the answers to your question. Rich in my opinion did nothing but answer it. We are entitled to our opinions, even though you may or may not like them.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/28/2019 5:53 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    You don't believe in God. While Rich does. Either way does not give you the "right" to attack him or any other for their beliefs. There are no winners in your arguments only pissed off people. As I stated in my first response just accept the answers to your question. Rich in my opinion did nothing but answer it. We are entitled to our opinions, even though you may or may not like them.
I have every right to answer comments on my blog any way I want.....just as you do. The question in my title was rhetorical, as should be obvious in my blog.........You and Rich took it as an invitation to proselytise......... You say that you and Rich are entitled to your opinion, yet you think I'm not,because you don't like it......LOL........

You didn't seem to notice the insult in Ricks last sentence.....why is that? because you're on the same team?.......He denies reality and mocks Science, while pushing the superstitious fables of primitive,illiterate goat-herders......that he has interpreted to match his own needs and desires.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/28/2019 6:02 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    I am a sinner and am not perfect. The Son of God gave His life as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for my sin so I can be free; Believing on Him and accepting the free gift allows me to be with Him when I leave this life I fail Him every day. but the Bible says if I confess my sins He is able and just to forgive m sins. God sees me as pure because Jesus acts as my attorney and reminds God He paid for my sins.
    You may ridicule me for my faith. but I will lose nothing because of it.
    After all, I laugh at those who believe that climate change is caused by people and farting cows!

This is what I mean about Evangelicals not following Jesus......After all the lessons Jesus teaches in the Bible, your focus is always yourself. Jesus suffered and died so you can be "free" and can live forever in paradise.......That's it. I taught Sunday School , I remember that kind and gentle Jesus that was all about helping the poor and sick and the righteous Jesus who took a whip to the money-lenders......All I hear about Jesus from you is how his suffering helps you.....that's it.......


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/28/2019 6:51 pm

You actually asked an open ended question. One that asked for much more than a yes or no answer. Your beliefs are very well known as you publicize them every chance you get. I actually think you wanted a fight so you posed a topic thyat suited your needs.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3087 posts
4/28/2019 6:56 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    With their faith in the Bible and Jesus, evangelical Christians may seem similar to other Christian denominations, even bearing some of the same names. But their unique beliefs and interpretations of Christianity make them a distinct worldwide movement, emphasizing the "born again" experience, the infallibility of the Bible, salvation by faith in Jesus alone, the need to evangelize or spread their message, and the rapture of the church in the end times.

    Now I don't want to turn your blog into a argument about religion. I ask you to accept this as one of many answers you may receive to your question.
Source credit: Newsmax

Again with the plagiarism. You post paragraph, after paragraph, passing off everyone's work as your own. Are you not literate enough to comment with a paragraph you've actually written? If you're going to plagiarize, at least give the credit to your source.


Rich1937 82M
6414 posts
4/28/2019 9:41 pm

I should have realized this was merely bait and in now way were you considering a serious discussion, You will continue to believe as an atheist does with nothing to back you up, I will continue with believing what the Bible teaches and don't need to respond to your flapldoodle.

Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/28/2019 9:45 pm

    Quoting CarolinaPanthera:
    Source credit: Newsmax

    Again with the plagiarism. You post paragraph, after paragraph, passing off everyone's work as your own. Are you not literate enough to comment with a paragraph you've actually written? If you're going to plagiarize, at least give the credit to your source.
I saw that Bigblock had plagiarized again....it's kind of sad, isn't it?

Both he and Rich posted a definition of Evangelicalism.......I don't know why......They either get super-sensitive or super defensive/offensive........Bigblock comes into my blog with his dukes up and posts belligerent comments and accuses me of looking for a fight......Lol..

I just wonder, you know, about these Evangelicals......they are super into getting favours from Jesus...they like that he suffered and bled a lot.....so they can live in Paradise on his dime....like Jesus Welfare and Medicaid for eternity........but they're against forking out any of that compassion and forgiveness themselves......They just want to be on the receiving end........Anyways, that's what this blog was meant to be about.......it just doesn't compute to me........it's all about being a sinner and getting washed by Jesus's blood..........but what would Jesus do if he was here now...........Where is Jesus right now anyways......I mean, if you were all powerful, wouldn't you think he could show up once in a while.......I know some little children who could really use some loaves and fishes and a good cuddle right about now.......


Katie_au_lait 73F
6581 posts
4/28/2019 11:47 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    I am a sinner and am not perfect. The Son of God gave His life as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for my sin so I can be free; Believing on Him and accepting the free gift allows me to be with Him when I leave this life I fail Him every day. but the Bible says if I confess my sins He is able and just to forgive m sins. God sees me as pure because Jesus acts as my attorney and reminds God He paid for my sins.
    You may ridicule me for my faith. but I will lose nothing because of it.
    After all, I laugh at those who believe that climate change is caused by people and farting cows!

They do say confession is good for the soul...but what exactly does that mean to you? That once you've confessed you are free and forgiven to go out and commit the same sins again? Without even trying to change? Isn't that just bending Jesus to your will?
If you believe that, then you are sorely misguided...and dishonest with yourself.
Confession and forgiveness are all about the learning and progressing of the soul in order to enable humanity to move forward. They are not a safety valve, were never meant to be the get out of jail free card that you have turned them into.
That's what I laugh at.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/29/2019 3:49 am

Lulu, I will share this with you. I can't attest to it being true for I don't remember it but for the fact my wife told it to me and I might be dumb but I ain't dumb enough to call her a liar. LOL.

She asked me if I went to heaven or if they came here to visit me. I asked her what she was talking about? She informed me that for a few days I was having a conversation with my parents. Now considering my Father passed away in 1982 and my Mother in 1992, I find that to be rather strange. But she said I introduced them to others as well as carrying on a lucid conservation with them . She said it was very real to me at the time. I can't explain it and probably ain't suppose to.

I still believe you and I should stick to talking about our grandchildren, as we agree on that.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/29/2019 5:05 am

Lulu, I realize that the above response is off your topic but I felt the need to share it with you.

You made mention of Rich's last sentence. Here are your insults to himquot;banana-split Jesus your imaginary super-hero....... superstitious fables of primitive,illiterate goat-herders." It appears that both of you have rewritten the golden rule to read: "Do unto other before they do it to you."


Rich1937 82M
6414 posts
4/29/2019 10:06 am

BB - Lulu didn't insult me, her insult was to the Deity. She took insult over my comment about the climate which was made with none intended for I was not aware of her stance, and not interested,
For one who "taught" Sunday School, you seem most unqualified being an unbeliever. It is pointless to quote verses to you from a book that you hold such disdain so much, As I've said before, God is love and he who knows not love knows not God. I regret I see no love in you. The only thing you have shown me is a hatred for anyone who does not wholly agree with the opinions you hold.


Every one is entitled to his own opinion. Facts are unalterable.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/29/2019 3:47 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    BB - Lulu didn't insult me, her insult was to the Deity. She took insult over my comment about the climate which was made with none intended for I was not aware of her stance, and not interested,
    For one who "taught" Sunday School, you seem most unqualified being an unbeliever. It is pointless to quote verses to you from a book that you hold such disdain so much, As I've said before, God is love and he who knows not love knows not God. I regret I see no love in you. The only thing you have shown me is a hatred for anyone who does not wholly agree with the opinions you hold.

You said you weren't going to respond, yet here you are again. When I was teaching Sunday School I was a believer........Lots of people's belief's change as they mature and grow.......I see no love in you .........I do see constant deep bitterness and judgement........You are not obliged to comment on my blog........

You completely missed the point I was making though......Your rigidity of thought is glaringly obvious......


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/29/2019 3:50 pm

    Quoting Katie_au_lait:
    They do say confession is good for the soul...but what exactly does that mean to you? That once you've confessed you are free and forgiven to go out and commit the same sins again? Without even trying to change? Isn't that just bending Jesus to your will?
    If you believe that, then you are sorely misguided...and dishonest with yourself.
    Confession and forgiveness are all about the learning and progressing of the soul in order to enable humanity to move forward. They are not a safety valve, were never meant to be the get out of jail free card that you have turned them into.
    That's what I laugh at.


You're the only one who gets what I was trying to say.....it seems so obvious to me, but these guys are so brainwashed, they can't think outside their religion-cage.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/29/2019 4:19 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Lulu, I will share this with you. I can't attest to it being true for I don't remember it but for the fact my wife told it to me and I might be dumb but I ain't dumb enough to call her a liar. LOL.

    She asked me if I went to heaven or if they came here to visit me. I asked her what she was talking about? She informed me that for a few days I was having a conversation with my parents. Now considering my Father passed away in 1982 and my Mother in 1992, I find that to be rather strange. But she said I introduced them to others as well as carrying on a lucid conservation with them . She said it was very real to me at the time. I can't explain it and probably ain't suppose to.

    I still believe you and I should stick to talking about our grandchildren, as we agree on that.
I have no clue what you're describing to me......what the conditions were......were you semi-comatose? Under the influence of drugs? Half asleep? People's imaginations play tricks on them.....If you believe in an afterlife where people retain their egos....their identities after death, your sub-conscious has probably created possible scenarios.........I see and interact with people who have died when I dream.........yesterday I got a facebook post that reminded me that it was my friend's birthday and I should send her good wishes...it included a very vibrant photo of my friend laughing...I became suspended in a time warp while I cycled at high speed through intense thoughts and feelings......like movie-heroes whose whole life spins before them as they die............My heart was gloriously free and happy and excruciatingly sad and horrified at the same time........until it hooked on the reality that my dear friend had hung herself from a doorway 6 months ago and in a panic, I had punished myself for not having anticipated it and stopped her.........and that I had neglected to erase her from my friends list...........I felt all of the feelings and thought all the thoughts in a split second......like we do in dreams.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/29/2019 4:48 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    Lulu, I realize that the above response is off your topic but I felt the need to share it with you.

    You made mention of Rich's last sentence. Here are your insults to himquot;banana-split Jesus your imaginary super-hero....... superstitious fables of primitive,illiterate goat-herders." It appears that both of you have rewritten the golden rule to read: "Do unto other before they do it to you."
I thought the "Banana-Split Jesus" line was especially good.......You guys are such snowflakes when it comes to your religion......Because of the unmanifest nature of your religious iconography, the only way to communicate about it is to use analogy and metaphor. Any religious tract depends on analogy. Look at Marbella's daily post......or Dan's religious posts.....Or any preacher who ever was, including Jesus........I'ts all based on analogy. What choice is there when you are talking about things that don't actually exist?.........

Hence the problems you and other Christians have when you encounter analogies that are outside your experience......outside your usual experience of the pre-approved Christian analogies and metaphors.

Not everyone you encounter is going to use your in-group language.....Your religion doesn't belong to you.......I have the freedom to approach religious norms and expectations from a different direction.....I'm a creative, mischievous person......I like challenging perceived notions.....I like mixing it up....In my mind, Banana-Split Jesus is no less disrespectful than those paintings of a perfectly turned-out blonde, blue-eyed Jesus wrapped in meters of bleach-white, ironed, machine-made cotton..............Loosen up a bit....it's good for the heart.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/30/2019 5:56 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    I have no clue what you're describing to me......what the conditions were......were you semi-comatose? Under the influence of drugs? Half asleep? People's imaginations play tricks on them.....If you believe in an afterlife where people retain their egos....their identities after death, your sub-conscious has probably created possible scenarios.........I see and interact with people who have died when I dream.........yesterday I got a facebook post that reminded me that it was my friend's birthday and I should send her good wishes...it included a very vibrant photo of my friend laughing...I became suspended in a time warp while I cycled at high speed through intense thoughts and feelings......like movie-heroes whose whole life spins before them as they die............My heart was gloriously free and happy and excruciatingly sad and horrified at the same time........until it hooked on the reality that my dear friend had hung herself from a doorway 6 months ago and in a panic, I had punished myself for not having anticipated it and stopped her.........and that I had neglected to erase her from my friends list...........I felt all of the feelings and thought all the thoughts in a split second......like we do in dreams.


All I can tell you is it was during the first week after my heart surgery. The nurses told her that what I was doing was very common. On a lighter note my daughter-in-laws father thought he was being held hostage by Klinger from M*A*S*H and he like me has no recollection of it. As I told you I don't remember a thing. Lynn told me that she came into the room one morning and I told her that "they sent me back because I was needed here". I still don't remember a thing that went on at that time. In the paperwork that they sent home before the procedure, one of the things they recommend is for someone to keep a journal of the persons reactions. I am glad she did.

It is just one of those things that probably has no LOGICAL explanation. I thought you might like to know a little more about me or maybe not.


Katie_au_lait 73F
6581 posts
4/30/2019 8:28 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    You're the only one who gets what I was trying to say.....it seems so obvious to me, but these guys are so brainwashed, they can't think outside their religion-cage.
It seems obvious to me too, Sparkle.
Most glaringly obvious is that both rich and Bigblock so strongly profess their belief in God and Jesus. Which, intrinsically, must include the belief that God created all human beings equal. While insisting that this is absolute fact, they display constant behaviour that completely denies it.
They don't understand that the real message they are sending out is "If you ain't with us you're against us" And it doesn't matter whether it's politics, religion or anything else... as far as they're concerned if you disagree with them you are not worth calling human. Which is surely a huge insult to their faith... and to the God they insist they love.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/30/2019 9:46 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    All I can tell you is it was during the first week after my heart surgery. The nurses told her that what I was doing was very common. On a lighter note my daughter-in-laws father thought he was being held hostage by Klinger from M*A*S*H and he like me has no recollection of it. As I told you I don't remember a thing. Lynn told me that she came into the room one morning and I told her that "they sent me back because I was needed here". I still don't remember a thing that went on at that time. In the paperwork that they sent home before the procedure, one of the things they recommend is for someone to keep a journal of the persons reactions. I am glad she did.

    It is just one of those things that probably has no LOGICAL explanation. I thought you might like to know a little more about me or maybe not.
Thank you for sharing that with me Bigblock.....I do want to know you better.......Even when you are under anaesthetic, your body is still functioning.....nerves are sending impulses to your brain.....Many people experience hallucinations after major surgery......That's where all the NDE stories come from....I have experience with hallucinogenics and know how convincing it can be............


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/30/2019 10:52 am

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Thank you for sharing that with me Bigblock.....I do want to know you better.......Even when you are under anaesthetic, your body is still functioning.....nerves are sending impulses to your brain.....Many people experience hallucinations after major surgery......That's where all the NDE stories come from....I have experience with hallucinogenics and know how convincing it can be............
I am happy and glad you accepted this. As I have stated many times over I honestly can not remember a darn thing about that first week I don't even remember them having to do a second surgery to fix the sternum.


sparkleflit 71F
4796 posts
4/30/2019 11:55 am

    Quoting bigblock46:
    I am happy and glad you accepted this. As I have stated many times over I honestly can not remember a darn thing about that first week I don't even remember them having to do a second surgery to fix the sternum.
Once when I was coming out of anaesthetics after a surgery.....I was having my tubes tied.......I was screaming "You bastards did it again" at the top of my voice. I remember nothing, but the nurse told me that there was a young teenage boy also in that room who was so terrified by my screaming that he called the nurse......Apparently she told me I was OK in a soothing voice and stroked me and I went back to sleep.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/30/2019 2:31 pm

    Quoting sparkleflit:
    Once when I was coming out of anaesthetics after a surgery.....I was having my tubes tied.......I was screaming "You bastards did it again" at the top of my voice. I remember nothing, but the nurse told me that there was a young teenage boy also in that room who was so terrified by my screaming that he called the nurse......Apparently she told me I was OK in a soothing voice and stroked me and I went back to sleep.
When I got my vasectomy the Doctor just gave me a local. Certainly was the most pleasant area I have been given a shot.


bigblock46 73M
9232 posts
4/30/2019 7:10 pm

    Quoting bigblock46:
    When I got my vasectomy the Doctor just gave me a local. Certainly was the most pleasant area I have been given a shot.
Don't check what wrote , should have said was not.


CarolinaPanthera 57F
3087 posts
4/30/2019 7:22 pm

    Quoting Rich1937:
    I should have realized this was merely bait and in now way were you considering a serious discussion, You will continue to believe as an atheist does with nothing to back you up, I will continue with believing what the Bible teaches and don't need to respond to your flapldoodle.
I love when you, and your kind throw jabs, then when someone throws one back you call it "bait." You're a delicate little flower, who's a part-time Christian/full-time hypocrite who hides behind religion when it suits you.