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jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/23/2018 6:20 am

It maybe easy for me to separate the base action and attitude from the ideology..Because to me action and attitude means more than ideology.

Communist Russia did great things to become a world power after WWII. In such short time of less than ten years they made it work There actions and attitude that seemly helped that along....It was ALWAYS Russia FIRST. They took what wanted, without the thought of repercussions or any remorse for the taking.
It was to demean the rest of rest of world for not following their lead, It was leading through threats and strength, It was no compromise, It played a game on trust and truth.. it did it.. IN YOUR FACE

America....seemingly tried to show the world how fair it was, tried to lead by example, without stepping on any ones toes. We used our power, in the terms of trickery, collusion, infiltration, deal making, political subversion, counter espionage, monetary blackmail, support bought off.. to support US..
IT was rarely in your face, always the right or wrong of it was Never in your face it was hidden.. People could think what they wanted, as long as it was what we wanted them think, and as long as they weren't thinking the wrong things, we were right.

Now thinking about the actions and attitude and NOT the ideologies.. It seems to me the roles have reversed.
If history tells us something.. It tells us Communist Russia, was initially helped by it.. but could not survive it.


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/23/2018 6:46 am

I'm thinking of China.. How did and how does China do it.....Again i'm removing ideology from it, and just going by attitude and actions...
Well amazingly... it was through isolationism.. It was getting their house in order first.. And instead of going out into the world and changing it..They have the knowledge that if they can get their house in order.. the world will come to them.
Ironically it's working.... as the world has very few other choices...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/23/2018 8:33 am

The thing about China that explains what I'm saying.... is North Korea
China isn't going into North Korea.. North Korea is coming to them.

China would love to go to Africa.. but it doesn't overtly..... It lets Africa come to them

China doesn't say we are going help you.. It says do you want our help?

China is not expanding though ideology or force. It expanding without ideology or force.. it's not taking over, it's assimilating...


jiminycricket1 74M
13732 posts
1/24/2018 11:35 am

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He doesn't do it often enough.. i have seen it before so i know what he actually thinks and how what he thinks makes sense.. He may be smarter than me, by just yanking those other peoples chains.. I can't do that, I rather have converstation like this.
Now to respond to his logical thought.

I try to take the system of government out of it, and the ideology out of it, and deal with the people who actually do it, and who aren't totally run by an ideology or system.
That make systems mute , and only the people that operate it, speak for it..

As system go I don't believe in any of them.. the form government everybody will have will be taken from all the systems..eventually people will change the systems. No matter where you start, with good people, you all end the same.

People will disagree, but they say, Capitalism can't work, communism can't work, fascism can't work..... I say that's not true.. i say some people can't work with capitalism, some people can't work with communism and some people can't work with fascism...
I say everybody can work with government , and if everybody does, No matter system, everybody can make it work.
If they do.. no matter the system you begin with.. It will all end up the same.